It's sad when the biggest conspiracy poster on this site, pisshead, wont even defend his cause :( But I give eg credit atleast for sticking to it.
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It's sad when the biggest conspiracy poster on this site, pisshead, wont even defend his cause :( But I give eg credit atleast for sticking to it.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ALEX JONES? HE'S SOOOOO COOL!
I have assiduously avoided much discussion of Alex Jones, as I prefer to deal with weightier issues than the rantings of a professional conspiracy theorist, but I get e-mails every day asking me what I think of the guy...
Here's the deal with Alex Jones: he's the living embodiment of the old adage that:
"Nothing is completely wrong- even a broken clock is right, twice a day."
Yeah- I know of the guy's "cool cred"- being one of the Insane Texas Clown Posse that revolved around Bill Hicks. I've seen the video of the guy smoking weed, and his interview with Gary Busey was typically hilarious.
I started listening to the guy years back, when I spent a good deal of my waking hours listening to rapture-right christian radio. One day, I was listening to Radio Liberty, and Dr. Stan had Alex on as a guest. I started listening to online Alex Jones archives, and it was interesting, in one respect:
Time and time again:
Caller: Gee- I agree with what you're saying, Alex- we're living in a horrible situation, in this country, and I thank you for being a courageous voice for liberty.
Alex: Thank you- what's on your mind?
Caller: Alex, earlier, when you were talking about (insert issue,) you missed something very important- that...
Alex: SCREW YOU! YOU'RE A SHEEP- A MINDLESS, GUTLESS SHEEP! HOW DARE YOU? HOW DARE YOU? GET OFF MY PROGRAM! YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THE NAZIS, JANET RENO, OR THE BILDERBERG GROUP! ENJOY YOUR TRIP TO THE OVENS, YOU SHEEP! YOU'LL BURN WITH THE REST OF THEM- MARK MY WORDS!
MARK!!!! MY!!!! WORDS!!!!
We'll be right back, after this message....
This would happen at least once a program- I dunno whether this sorta on-air behavior was supposed to reflect his passion for the issues, or entertain the audience as a bit of radio theater- it was all pretty much senseless rage to me, and while he has mellowed out, in recent years- at the time, he came across as a cartoon caricature of a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
In those days , Alex was a self-admitted diehard conservative who was being "shut out" by the legendary "liberal media." He spent his on-air time talking about Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bohemian Grove, The Oklahoma City Bombing, and occasionally would prove himself to be a early soldier in the culture war, decrying the "satanic" nature of the entertainment industry- particularly video games.
Now- don't get me wrong- Alex, serving as the aforementioned broken clock, was right twice a day, and during those moments, delivered some great information that was genuinely repressed by the powers that be- and for that, he deserves props, kudos, shout-outs, what have you. The only problem is that my clock isn't broken, and once the minute hand skipped forwards, Alex was back in bullshit territory- "Moloch, Satan, Kissinger, Rockerfeller, Luciferian society, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit."
Fast-forward eight years, and Alex has turned his ham radio broadcast into a world-spanning internet media empire. But as the twig is bent, so grows the tree.
Ya see, Alex Jones remains what he always has been: A professional Conspiracy theorist- all well and good- the Weekly World News wouldn't be the media powerhouse it is, if there weren't an audience for that kinda stuff. However- the Weekly World News never claims to be a "News Source" (and neither do I- anyone who comes to me for "news" is seriously deluding themselves.)
The guy is a bullshit artist of a scope that makes L. Ron Hubbard look like a piker. He seizes on the most minor of issues, and blows them up into am indicator of a formless greater conspiracy (more on that, in a bit.) Why does he do this? Because hell- if it bleeds, it leads, and the more BS you post, the more suspicion you sow, the more shock you can spread, the more people will wanna come and get a taste.
And who can blame the denizens of Alex Jones' Prison Planet? When you go to InfoWars, you get the feeling you're entering a resistance cell- there's so much stuff to wade through, presented time and again as "the stuff big brother doesn't want you to know." Geez, dude- just going to his site officially makes you a member of the Rebel Alliance- how cool is THAT?
Well- it's not cool- on so many levels...
First off- His vast conspiratorial worldview isn't holistic, in the least. For the entirety of his career, Alex Jones has been scribbling all over the map, but has never been able to connect the dots. Veterans of the Prison Planet speak in generalities about Masonic, Satanic, and Luciferian entities that date back centuries, but they are at a loss to describe exactly what's going on in their Prison Planet beyond vague generalities richly peppered with references to "Moloch." Thus, on the Prison Planet, the fight is eternal- the enemy is everywhere, nameless, and constantly shifting identities and goals. If that isn't a recipe for endemic paranoia, I dunno what is- and that ain't healthy, folks.
Secondly, Alex claims to have "transcended" the "right/left paradigm." In the vein of folks like Neil Boortz, Glenn Beck, and other sowers of insanity, he claims to be be too enlightened to sully himself with the existing politics of the day. Such is bullplop. Alex, early on, realized that his wacky message would sell like sand in the sahara if he appealed only to the tin-hat crowd in the red states- he had to expand his appeal to gullible folks all across the political spectrum- and in doing so, set himself up as an "impartial" political figure who was beyond any partisan reproach in his pursuit of a political agenda that remains solidly rooted in bible-belt conservatism.
Lastly, and most importantly, when you weed through as much as you can of Alex's rapidly-expanding conspiratorial opus, one is immediately struck by the overt negativity of his worldview: everything, everyone, every corporation, every politician, every cultural institution, every school, every university, every contrary opinion, is the product of faceless malevolent forces that control our world, on every level. Listen- there are a lot of dangerous forces at work in this world, and we should be aware of them, but in Alex Jones' world, there isn't any hope of fighting back- the only solution he presents is to continue visiting his website, and sending his videos to all of your friends.
Now- tie the three together:
Jones presents himself as the sole dispenser of truth, as a transcendent figure. The faceless enemy is everywhere, and is defined solely by Jones. The only hope of redemption in an increasingly confusing world are the teachings of Jones.
Uhh- am I the only one here getting Jonestown vibes, here? (Pun fully intended.) Jones, whether he knows it not, has succeeded in building the first western internet-based cult:
Feel like something's wrong? Lost your job? Worried about the weather? Ever had the feeling that something just isn't right with the world? Come to the first church of Alex (a wholly-owned subsidiary of Prison Planet, LLC,) and every one of your suspicions will be reinforced, amplified, and made into gospel! Buy my videos, my DVDs, and my special commemorative hats- it's all for the cause of fighting THE MAN!!!
Now, as a member of the Church of the Subgenius, I must give props to Alex for pulling off such a stunt- it takes a lot of effort, balls, and sweat to create such an entity. However, at the same time, I must ask the residents of the Prison Planet, why spend your time with Alex, when you could be swaddled in the sweaty, frop-filled bosom of JR "Bob" Dobbs? Alex asks that you surrender your critical thought, to follow him- "Bob" only wants a mere 30 bucks of your money, and then doesn't ever want to hear from you again...
In the end: Here's the deal:
We're facing serious issues in this world- an interspecies die-off that rivals that which heralded the death of the dinosaurs is underway, as I type. The onset of global warming will change the very shape of the world in which we live. Peak oil is a reality, and we're on the cusp of the most radical societal and technological changes that humanity has seen, since we left the steppes of africa, and the caves of europe. The future hinges upon our actions today...
History will cast a very damning eye upon those who spent these decisive years pursuing a wild goose chase founded upon the paranoid fantasies of a poorly-educated conspiracist ham radio operator cum web messiah.
We can spend our days trying to make the world better, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that nothing we do will matter, because the agents of Moloch are against us, and the only refuge is to buy more Alex Jones DVDs. We can work for peace, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view- that our fates, and our society, are shaped by the agents of the Bilberberg Group, and the only solution is to visit The Prison Planet more often, supplementing Alex's advertising earnings. We can work for progressive candidates and causes, or we can buy into the Prison Planet view, throw up our hands in despair, and seek refuge at the Prison Planet store, where we can buy a t-shirt or two.
We're better than this....
Bravo!
The above posting should be a permanent sticky on the Conspiracy forum.
Ack, forgot to link to original. Site is semi-worksafe as long as you don't run any of the animations you should be ok. Here
Ahh yes soo much hate for one person...wheres that hate for a criminal government...my bad youll love the government cause, WHY is that again? do y'all need a lovers-card to sign for bushes patriotact...im just kiddin...:rolleyes:
I have never payed 1-cent to Alex Jones. And you have a point about him trying to make $$. On the other hand I think your Wrong in your thinking, You seriously think Mankind will fix global warming? You think The Greed of Mankind Will go Away? Have you not Read History? History tells us that the rich and powerful WILL do what ever they want, and Do Not care about the Slaves. Mankind is not going to Fix any of these problems. Mankind will never bring True Peace. So I feel Bad for you if you Honestly think Mankind can Fix the Problems We Face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
Fuck Alex Jones...
Have a good one!:s4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
It's hard to talk politics with people who don't have there life organized and planned.
It is hard for them how someone could be doing something for the betterment of the family and not just them self.
to think, that governments/people do not have a plan laid out many years in advance is stupid to say the least.
alex collects news story's you can find anywhere, but to people who can not think past there own small life, they can not see a bigger picture.
i mean, just look at the Israeli/palestine conflict and zionism.
First off, Alex Jones is the radical side of this debate, so his radical views may not reflect all 'conspiracists' views. Personal attacks on Alex Jones will not change peoples minds. It costs alot of money to run a website and produce documentaries. I've heard him mention about how he cleans carpets too, yeah he must be making a fortune and just doing it for fun. I don't consider myself a full on 'conspiracist' because I only care about politics and not about how Bush is supposibly a devil worshipping cult follower. I'll tell you now that personal attacks against Alex just fuel us even more. What he does is gather information, whether it is credible or not, and puts it out to the public and discusses the effects it's having on the world. Theres so much government corruption, do you really want to believe "what they tell you", how can you trust them?
As for any 'evidence' that comes up false, there are still many coincidences and mysteries still unanswered.
I completely respect your opinions when I argue, I hold no personal grudges or anything. I just can't seem to shake the feeling that we are all being lied to. Giving up some liberties for freedom? Thats like saying we need to give up an ounce of weed in order to keep a pound. Then it will be 2 ounces, then 3, before you know it, you'll have a gram left. (I thought that was a good analogy, hehe).