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I agree 100% that there is something not quite right and it really might be the nutes I got maxigrow(2-1-3) and maxibloom(1-2-3) by gh for nutes but I'm not convinced the ratio in it is ideal for mj I'll hopefully be able to post with an update on my findings with the new toy/toys I pick up tomorrow and it's probably wise to spend some time reading up on nutes as it's next on the list
My honest guess if the ph is correct is that you are low on nutes...the fear of course being then putting in too many nutes and poof, which is why I suggested the ppm meter. Glad you are getting one because hopefully it will solve your last issue with them.
I know there are tons of people--who grow better weed than me BTW-- who are very strong on WHICH nutes, must have these additives, room temp, humidity etc. My feeling is that it IS a weed and not very many of those things are ideal in the outside world so to me it doesn't pay to worry about those things until after you have solved the basics, especially in hydro. And seriously if you knew even PART of the list of things I have done to mine that were bad only to have them bounce back when the problem was fixed....really you have to be a pretty hardy plant for that. :)
I picked several items today a fan/filter and most importantly the tester...it's a Hanna 98129 it's not the best or anything but it's a 4 in 1 with ph/ec/tds/temp with 2 point auto calibration and temp adjust the ph has display down to the hundreths and is accurate to .05 which should be more than enough for my casual application...I chose this model because other testers were only cheaper by 20-30 bucks and weren't nearly as accurate this one got a bunch of good ratings and the next step up was over $400
The instructions say to let it sit in storage solution (which I didn't buy) for 2 hours before calibrating so I'm just soaking it in tap water now...I've heard a bunch of people say they have the pen testers and just store it in tap water and that the pen is still working the same several years later...I'm probably gonna pick up the solution and a bunch of other little things as I get the rest of the room completed (finally)...probably another 30 hours of work or so left
The plants are looking bigger each morning when I check on them and in a few days the final res change before going with bloom nutes...Stil can't tell for sure which are males/females but I can atleast see the (parts) on all of em most look kinda ballish but I'm hoping it's just too soon haha
And WH I'm sure there are people out there that can grow weed that's not even like weed anymore haha but your advice is always directed and keeps me focused on making the plants better immediately rather than worrying about every little thing that's not perfect about the setup so I have appreciated it a ton ;-) my goal is to learn about horticulture and avoid having to feed money into groups I really don't approve of just to get some mj
I'm pretty anal though so I'm sure as the room and skill progresses I'll get better it's just a matter of time...more pics and info on the new toys tomorrow once they are operational...I'm psyched about bein able to tell how much food they actually have
Since I've given them more food they've started to pick up much more during the day, however, they still droop almost saggy at night...until tomorrow ;-)
Well THAT thing sounds totally cool....I have a Hanna but not nearly that fancy....does ph and ppm/ec...and the thing is never wrong and never goes off calibration. And seriously, I'm hard on my stuff. That should do you more than well. :) uhhh, not sure if I soaked mine or not....and I just dry the thing off for next time. Told you I'm hard on things.
Thanks for the kind words and it does make me think....it does seem as though instead of feeling helped it feels like people just give folks a bunch more stuff to freak out over.....but none of that does anything for you until you have the initial stuff down. I have a very good friend who's trying to grow hydro but in a very slip-shod way, started lighting at 12/12 (forgot to check....) is using these poor cfls for flowering and isn't happy with the amount of bud growing.....doesn't check her rez amounts etc...so there's a point where you have to commit to doing the basics right and then if you want more yield etc, go from there. All cool to make sure you worm the dog or whatever but make sure you're feeding it first.
I am PONTIFICATING :jointsmile: that your ppm is probably pretty low and will have to come up.....slowly. You talked before about aero and droplets etc....now way out of my range....so it's time to find someone who knows about that stuff. I am wondering if you may want to hold off on switching to bloom nutes depending on what your ppm level is.
I just got done playing with the tester and getting the root situation cleaned up a bit the roots are relatively healthy just growin all over the place in there haha
My tap water is about 200ppm after goin through the britta it's a bit over 100ppm
The res ph is 5.84 or so and it seems to be about as accurate as they claim according to the solution tests
The ppm in the res was pretty low it was like 315 and 115 or so of it is the water so I upped it to around 450 I figure going from 200 to 325 shouldn't be murder on em considering they all have a pretty decent root system goin atleast 18 inches long out the bottom of the nets for the smallest one...
I still can't tell gender on the majority but I believe I have confirmed 2 females...which is atleast a start but since they look so close I wanna make sure it's a guy before I chop em
It will be interesting to see if the leaves stretch up more than before with the extra nutes I'm hoping so cause if I can get them on track to start bloom they might not turn out horrible...
The fan and filter combo are amazing I can't smell anything in the room...even the musty basement smell is completely gone so for that alone it was worth the investment
I'm feeling more confident that the next grow will have most of the kinks worked out...
Yes, afraid that was the problem. A tester is so helpful.....you really have to reduce dosages after (or if) you overnute (as I have in my day) but then they certainly need their nutes to flower with. :) I don't know really how much differet aero would be from my bubbler ppmwise considering the spray .....my plants are usually at about 800ppm (using R0 water I start at 15ppm) when I turn them and the one time I ran into iron troubles was when they were at 700 and should have been at 1000 or around there. You may want to contemplate holding off on turning them until they are up there a ways. Keep careful watch for overnute....curling edges, etc (I don't think you will see this because I think they will soak up every nute they can find but...) and keep upping them slowly. Hopefully you will soon have some normal plants. :D
One last note....make very sure about male vs female before you toss them. There is one point where they sort of all look like males....;)
Yeah good call WH I'm definately waiting to be sure it's male...since I've been noticing the sex growth they all kinda look ballish but 2 for sure are showing a strand(s) coming out of the ball which I believe means female...I may end up just getting a microscope viewer cause I should probably have one for harvest anyway I bet that would make the sexing easier anyway
I'll post a few more pics in a day or 2 hopefully I'll know the girls by that time later all
Well ASD? Good news? Bad news? ANY NEWS?:jointsmile:
hey WH they haven't really shown one way or the other yet...
I'm using half grow and half bloom nutes now which total close to 500ppm the grow nute has 10-5-14 and the bloom has 5-15-14 there is a 3rd nute that seems to go along with the maxi line called kabloom or somethin that has like 2-38-5 or something which says to add with bloom nutes
what would you say is a good nute to use for bloom? I'm debating on just buying that third one in the maxi line cause they look like they're designed for each other...but if you have a suggestion I could easily just change the nutes I'm using the hydro shop has just about everything...I also have a b-cuzz bloom stimulator which I'm gonna put in once I get yer feedback with the next res change...The res is about due anyway and I figure I can go to full bloom nutes some of the maxibloom/kabloom/bcuzz stimulator unless you have something else that you think would work better? I'm not really sure of the ratios people look for when it comes to the blooming I know ya want a really high P but yours came out awesome and mine are starting to look similar and have about the same target height as well so I'd appreciate yer input ;-)
During the light phase they are really perky now I guess the extra nutes helped out although they still seem to droop almost the same at night...They look healthy and the leaves feel better than before...I've also noticed the water stays at the same ppm and ph as the level goes down in the res so I'm figuring I'm just about perfect...there's a slow rise in ph like .1 or .2 every 24 hours