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No, your wrong. Most deaths are from excessive water comsumption because people are trying NOT to dehydrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeancounter41
And i NEVER said anything about it causing other damage.
It's well known that MDMA is an Amphetamine. And amphetatmines are known to increase heart rate, and as the heart is a muscle, it'll grow.
I didnt disagree with you about MDMA being bad for you, in large amounts.
But im small amounts it IS fairly safe.
But it HASN'T been proven.You stated plainly that X NEVER killed anyone and then come back with"well maybe a few here and there"Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
It's much more than a few.Nothing near the legal poisons like alcohol and cigarettes, but still nowhere's near "safe".
Responsible, well adjusted adults can use X with little health risk,but you'll notice I said WELL ADJUSTED and RESPONSIBLE ADULT.Which means they did their research on it and studied things thoroughly before experimenting with it.I use RC's that are mostly close analogs of X, just less roll and more visuals.Also much less rise in bloodpressure using the one's I use.X will raise my BP WAY too high.Makes me sweat like a fountain and raises my body temp.So I avoid it for those reasons.2CT2 on the other hand, won't raise my BP more than 5 or 10 points which I can deal with.And I can count on several hours of intense acid like visuals too.
And LIP, I wasn't saying you said anything about other health risks,I just heard that dehydration caused more OD's on X than overhydration.I've drunk myself silly with water on numerous occassions and it never killed me.But I have come close to death several times from dehydration and heatstroke.(From working a farm in my teens in a heatwave, NOT from X)
Yes, this is true. Out of fear or myth that they will dehydrate rapidly those who chose to roll will drink excessive amounts of water for their activity level. For example, just sitting there, at least 8 oz an hour, at a rave, they're drinking at least 16 oz an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
Now, LIP a question for you. Where did you read that small amounts of MDMA are safe. I would like to see this information for myself.
I have rolled before, but my husband hasn't, and would like to try it, but would like for me to join him.
Small amounts consumed ocassionally are fairly safe, i dont have any info on it, because i dont really agree with X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibu Jari
If i were you i wouldnt bother. It's hard to get pure MDMA anyway, you never know what its cut with.
Stay safe and smoke ganj.
That's what I keep telling the hubby. I'm nursing our toddler still, so I'm not gonna do it at all until later if I do it. Having only ever rolled twice before, it's not something I'd take lightly ever.
Besides, I much prefer my high with the herb, especially since I can snap out of it if nessary. I tried that with X and it didn't happen. It was kinda scary.
Im glad to hear it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibu Jari
The thing with weed is you KNOW your 100% safe, so it's an added comfort. Even while MDMA is fairly safe in small doses, you never know, same with coke, and all the other dangerous drugs.
RC's?...it's basically like you're the guinea pig for these random drugs. Yeah...that's a lot safer than a substance that much research has been done about and people take everyday? I wasn't stating my 'beliefs' or MY opinion...I just said a commercial made by anti-drug associations telling people NOT to take ecstasy found out THEY were wrong, so they discontinued the commercial. To me, that says a lot...but to his their own. Just watch the special...it might change your mind...They interview the chemist who created the drug..and even he says "I myself, along with 1000's of people I know..have taken 1000's of hits and there have been no negative effects." There is also no proof that these people didn't die from something else being in the pill or from other complications. Just think about it with an open mind...if you sit on your couch and pop pills...you're going to be fine, you're not going to die...but if you're dancing and flirting with heat exhaustion, drinking too much water, rising of your heart rate...of course death could be coming for you...but it would be due to the INdirect use of the drug...not the direct use. But whatever..I'm done with the drug talk to today... if you want to discuss this more...go to www.bluelight.nu , go to the MDMA forum, and try to tell those people they're going to die..maybe they can give you some links to studies and such...it's a pretty big forum over there like this one..seriously check it out.
IBU JARI...check out the bluelight site (you can ask any question you want at the forums or just read the threads)...or watch the 'Ecstasy rising' documentary..or Erowid....everything you need to know...
Yes, way too dangerous. I was honestly a little nervous about the weed when my husband started brining it home because he didn't really know the supplier. Now he does, and we know it's good stuff. I'm much more comfortable with this method of getting high.
the rolling was fun when I was 17.
~*~We'll all float on ok~*~
are you truly interested in it or is this just something....a passing interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by N3D FLANDERS
http://jackherer.com/chapter09.html
i suggest you read the whole book though.