Good god Res, don't bring evoution into this, or I'll go crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by RESiNATE
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Good god Res, don't bring evoution into this, or I'll go crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by RESiNATE
:D
It has to be more complicated, GHoST, because us humans cannot accept that 'this is it'. We all seem to have this inate need to believe that our lives are somehow connected to a 'greater plan', or an 'unseen destiny'.
I doubt that there is anyone on this planet that doesn't think that we are subject to the machinations of some higher order - even the most devout agnostic.
I, myself, am someone who rejects all organised religion - I've explored most of the religions on this Earth, looking for something that catagorises my 'beliefs'; even Taoism and Buddism do not satisfy my quest, because they too seem to require that I must 'donate' or 'relinquish' part or all of my personal wealth, etc.
It is to that end that I reject organised religion, because at every turn, I see the hand of human greed at play.
I do not disrespect anybody's beliefs.
I do, however, often question why those people must be told how to follow their beliefs - often involving the parting of cash, or at the very least, a distain for anybody else that does not agree.
Personally, I find myself caught between a longing to believe in a higher power/order, and a resignation that 'this is it'.
I would, on the one hand, try to look at 'spiritual experiences' from a psychological view-point - then, entertain the idea that some 'divine influence' has caused those same experiences.
...I'll need to finish this train of thought later, as my kids keep interupting my thoughts...something about being hungry, or summat lol
I hope I made sense so far...:)
bless 'em, eh?
That was a cool debate... myself i don't beleive in God persay, but i do beleive in something like it. I beleive that "god"is the energy of the universe,... such as that god is everything, and everything is god, because after all... matter is only energy condensed to a slow vibration. and therefore god is omnipresent; it is a fact that energy cannot dissipate.
About the stuff of how to use all of your brain, i beleive that we may only conciously use up to like 25%... and the rest of the brain is accessed by using keys... The keys are everywhere... Pot is one, Shrooms are another... and the most fascinating and spiritually important one i have found is Salvia Divinorum.
I do beleive in evolution,its otherwise known as adaptation. but i dont think that i descended from monkeys... i'd say that humans, apes, chimps and baboons and such are distant cousins all having evolved in different locations and conditions from the same mother creature.
Oh and i beleive in the big bang theory... and to help u guys understand how it is possible... i offer an explanation.
God, or the energy, was spread out in an infinite area... now, every single particle of energy produces an attraction to the others(gravity). so, the energy all condensed into one small space, causing it to amplify and morph into heat and basic energy particles, this is the very first star.. In this incredible heat, theparticles fuse into the first atom... hydrogen, and then this is heated causing it to change to its next form, helium... and then the process keeps going, creating many elements and causing a rapid expansion of the energy until it's core has nothing more to burn, its energy condensed too far. The core becomes incredibly dense and the star collapses on itself, causing a massive explosion(hyper nova) and throwing the elemental dust across space. then the dust condenses in different areas, creating more, smaller stars and even planets. constantly changing and expanding, these new stars will later explode and continue the chain reaction.
Do you not subscribe to the 'theory of evolution', FLESH? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Let's go crazy :D
All I'll say is this: It is so, because I say it is....
Well, that's what Darwin said, and everyone seems to accept him, why not me?
lol
darwin was a dumbass in his theory, but i still think evolution is the only possible thing... oh fuck it... i dont care...
Like the bible says in genesis... thou shalt not eat of the fruit of knowledge... so just shut up, sit back, pack a big fat bong bowl and take it all for granted!
The Big Bang.
Yes, a very plausible theory...but, where did the intitial substances come from?
lol...it's enough to make your head explode!
I think there are sciences that we have yet to discover, let alone comprehend
Evolution.
How can a single cell organism divide - surely it is impossible?
Darwin had some very good ideas and theorums - however, we can only accept those theories if we accept that there is a missing link...show me the missing link, then I shall subscribe to his theories.
Personally, I find it very hard to believe.
Religious text.
As far as I am aware, none of the religious text speak of the dinosaurs - of which we have irrefutable proof of existence. Why?
Are those religious texts inferring that 'God' was only present after the dinosaurs and the 'new order'?
And yet, according to those texts, there was nothing before 'God'. :confused:
In any arguement that one puts forward to a devout follower (whatever faith), the resounding retort would be "..because the (insert book here) says it is so."
But, the book was written by Man!
Who's to say that the experiences 'witnessed' by the ones who wrote those words, weren't tripping out on mushrooms?
I mean, we ourselves, have had experiences with certain mind-altering drugs (shrooms, ecstacy, etc), but we are of a different level of intelligence to those people of the past - what we know as psychoactive reaction, they might have perceived as a 'sign from God'.
Maybe, the Bible (etc) are accounts of things that happened - but due to their lack of understanding that we 'enjoy' today, their interpretation of such events may be somewhat misguided.
Think about how early Man viewed things that they didn't understand.
Imagine if you could travel back in time, and show people of a Biblical time your PC...how do you think they would view you?
Even further back..imagine showing a caveman your gas lighter...surely, you would be regarded as some kind of God?
Imagine that the first intelligent man on this planet, actually started this whole thing off. What if that same person, had been the one to discover fire.
Let's be brutal about it - do you really think that that person would have gone to his fellow tribesmen and annouced his discovery, without a thought to his own personal gain? Maybe, he discovered fire, then thought - hang on, I could make a really good scam out of this. He could trick his fellow cavemen into thinking that he was a powerful person, that deserved to be honoured and worshipped - "bring me food and fur, and I will create fire for you!" The other cavemen would undoubtably be in awe of such a person, and would be eager to please him. That caveman could also take his scam further, and suggest that if they continue to support him with food, fur, and the odd vestril virgin, that he could secure them a place in the 'other-world', where food and fur would be plentiful - after all, he can already create fire....
Let's think about the vocabulary of such beings....what might be the name of this 'powerful' caveman?...would 'God', not be far from plausible.....?
Just an idea...and one that I suspect will be shot down in flames...:D
But, come on...argue me wrong..I'll be the first in line to apologise and accept any religion, if I am given conclusive proof of the existence of God.
At the end of the day, I can't take it all for granted - much as I would love to, believe me - and so, I continue to ask questions...and will until the day I die.
Res...
wow man ive hadf a quote malfunction.
single celled organisms divided because, as is ssaid in the greatest documentary on evolution, jurassic park, "nature will find a way"
lmao :cool:
again nice vocabulary in ur article res, lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by RESiNATE
About the 'missing link'... did u see the programme about oliver the monkey/man? Really interestin but sad wot happened to him. U probably already know about him but heres a link (pardon th pun) 4 ya anyway http://robotics.stanford.edu/~oli/oliver.html... theres loadza stuff abar him on th net
Personally, I cannot, under any circumstance, understand how anyone can deny it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RESiNATE
Exerpts from National Geographic:
Evolution by natural selection, the central concept of the life's work of Charles Darwin, is a theory. It's a theory about the origin of adaptation, complexity, and diversity among Earth's living creatures. If you are skeptical by nature, unfamilia with the terminology of science, and unaware of the overwhelming evidence, you might be tempted to say that it's "just" a theory. In the same sense, relativity as described by Einstein is "just" a theory. The notion that Earth orbits around the sun and not vice-versa, offered by Compernicus in 1543, is a theory. Continental drift is a theory. The existence, structure, and dynamics of atoms? Atomimc theory. Even electricity is a theoretical construct, involving electrons, which are tiny units of charged mass that no one has ever seen. Each of these theories is an explanation that has been confirmed to such a degree, by observationand experiment, that knowledgeable experts accept it as fact. That's what scientists mean when they talk about a theory: not a dreamy and unreliable speculation, but an explanatory statement that fits the evidence. They embrace such an explanation confidently but provisionally--taking it as their best available view of reality, at least until some severely conflicting data or some better explanation might come along.
[...]
Orchids, wondrously adapted for controlling their pollination by insects, intrigued Darwin. The parts of their strangely modified flowers, he saw, correspond to the flower parts on simpler plants, suggesting evolutionary change. One species that caught his eye was the Madagascar orchid Angraecum sesquipedale, with its 11-inch-long nectar receptacle. He predicted that somewhere in Madagascar, a place he never visited, must live a moth with a proboscis 11 inches long, adapted to harvest the orchid's nectar. Forty years later two entomologists revealed the Madagascan sphinx moth Xanthopan morganii praedicta, confirming Darwin's forecast. Such mutual adaptation--the moth to the flower, the flower to the moth--is called coevolution.
[...]
Nightmarish illnesses caused by microbes include both the infectious sort (AIDS, Ebola, SARS) that spread directly from person to person and the sort (malaria, West Nile Fever) delivered to us by biting insects or other intermediaries. The capacity for quick change among disease-causing microbes is what makes them so dangerous to large numbers of people and so difficult and expensive to treat. They leap from wildlife or domestice animals into humans, adapting to new circumstances as they go. Their inherent variability allows them to find new ways of evading and defeating human immune systems. By natural selection, they acquire resistance to drugs that should kill them. They evolve. There's no better or more immediate evidence supporting the Darwinian theory than this process of forced transformation among our inimical germs.
Whew, that was long, hope you read it all :D!!
HowdyY'all,
I was wondering,if one of y'all believers in Evolution,can tell me why is it-that Life has an imperative to survive and adapt ?
I believe that 'imperative' ..is Divine...what say you ?
Have a good one...Torog