Maybe the forces that be are winning from this gamble and it will end when they stop benefittng from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sugarmagnolia
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Maybe the forces that be are winning from this gamble and it will end when they stop benefittng from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sugarmagnolia
I'm saying that we've already put many soldiers into this "war on terror" and to withdraw right now would be like folding our deck after we have put in a substantial portion of our pot or "go all in". Whichever way you look at it, my analogy stands. If you don't like it then I'm gonna e-mail you to let you know that my tears are streaming down my cheeks.
Dude the only one taking our freedom is the cunt ou voted for his regime to use yoru words. No iraqis gonna come over here and tell me that I cant smoke or tell me that I cant protest or tell me hes gonna tap my hphione lens. But your good old inspirational george w bush will happily do so.
Well, Mrs. Potatohead it seems I offend the, I apologize. I did vote so I do believe in change for hte better. And no I didn't vote for Bush, which may give you an indication that I don't support the presidents first military campaign in Iraq. But, like other americans I would like to see an end to the insurgency in Iraq. You'll notice that most americans wether they support Bush or not don't really respond to negativity about their country due to 9-11. As far as my boastfull economic statement that may have been rash, Oh well . ALL APOLOGIES>>>>>>>
I'm sorry for my rant and any insult I may have caused you too. I just get so over the whole, America is great because of economic power and military might, thing. Why be inspired by the guns,war and the destruction of another country (like the pictures suggest) why not be inspired something else like (I would make a suggestion here but I am sure you could fill this gap better than I).Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh David
Patriotism sometimes baffles me because it makes people do such crazy shit and some people are so patriotic that they stick by all the decisions and things their governments do no matter how dumb. I just don't think that governments always have the interest of the people at heart but their own agenda.
Sorry another rant I will stop now.
You Rock Mrs. Potatohead!!!
Oh hello there ....yep I am still rockin....you are in so many places at once I'm not sure whether to love or hate you :confused: ... just kiddin... your growing on me (maybe I should get something for that) :D
im going to put my figers in my ears
a hand over my eyes
and a hand over my mouth.
imotep destroyer of worlds is disgusted by your pride in your puny popguns mortal dogs.
Howdy LuLu,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lulu
I realize that I do come off as being somewhat compassionless,and I apologize for that. However,the Iraqi people aren't losing their lives to President Bush,they are losing lives because of the old regime elements,terrorists and foreign fighters-American soldiers aren't the ones exploding car-bombs..the terrorists are.
Thank ya kindly,for the definition of a 'despot',but I didn't really need it..Saddam and his sons,fitted that description..President Bush and our troops,liberated over 50 million folks in Iraq and Afghanistan..they do not fit that description.
As for being an" a la carte Christian"..I really don't want to be fitted with a French moniker..lol. I grew up,going to a Christian church so conservative,that we didn't even believe in having musical instruments in the Church. I believe that God and His Son,Jesus Christ,are within me..I don't need no daggum fancy church.."Split a rock..hew a log..and I'll be there.." ..for me..I could no more stop breathing-than I could set aside my Faith..I wake each day,thanking God for my many blessings and I thank God when I go to sleep..so you see-I'm not just a Christian when it suits me.
I wish that no innocents would have to die-in this struggle of Good vs Evil.
Have a good one...Torog
Wow, Torog, you certainly stirred up a whole hornet's nest of opinion here, didn't ya! :D
The problem with this whole situation, is that the average Joe (and Josephine lol) are blinded to the machinations of the media propoganda that is fuelled by the respective government.
In Iraq, the 'insergence' are pumped full of 'anti-American' bullshit, the US (and the UK) are pumped full of 'anti-Iraqi' bullshit, then ya got each side of the religious fraternity slagging each other off and inciting racial (religious) confrontation.
When are people going to step back, and look at the bigger picture? :confused:
Before I start ranting (lol), I would like to commend ~Hunny~ for speaking out against the use of certain words :) debate is healthy, but racially derogatory terms only get the message lost in base abuse.
And, Lulu..lol@'A la carte'...but isn't that what all religious folk do?; pick and choose parts of their book to satisy their own goals?
Anyway, here is my view:
Firstly, I was as shocked as everyone else, at the events that transpired on Sept 11; it is an image that will stay with me, until the day I die. Even now, I look back on it with almost a sense of disbelief - did it really happen?
By the end of that day, however, I began to smell a rat.
Certain 'facial reactions' from GWB when he was told about the event whilst he was at that school, just made me think a little deeper about what was actually going on.
Then, by the end of that day, I heard that the government had not only found out who 'the culprits' were, but indeed that found that plans for such a thing, in an abandoned car! I mean, come on, people...would YOU leave such documentation in an abandoned car?!?!
Straight away, I began to realise that there was more to this than met the eye.
I started thinking that this attack was rather convenient, for a great many people.
If we look at the root basis for this 'war on terror', we will see that it is religion vs religion. Islam vs Christianity.
And the oil issue, too, is as much a smoke screen as everything else...another convenient issue that takes us away from the real issue.
If we are to believe those poeple who spend their time picking and choosing so-called 'Bible Prophecies', then we can start thinking about what this whole deal is about.
The Christians will harp on about the shift of power going to the East (Arab nations), because it is so written in the Bible.
The Islamist will harp on about their Jihad.
Is this whole thing, not just about fulfilling/preventing a 'prophecy'?
Then, there are those who will question the intentions of the Chinese.
There is also a 'prophecy', that describes the Chinese as being the next power...that they will cross a sandbar (when the oceans shrink) into America, and seize power.
Let's not forget the 'Illuminarti', and the 'Freemasons', whom also have a prophecy and 'mission' to forfill.
(The Chinese, btw, are the single biggest importer of metals, right now - are we to believe that they are building a war machine?)
The people that you see on your TV screens, are NOT the ones in command. GWB, Blair, and even those fanatic religious figureheads, are just the ones following the whim of those who are really in power. Many different factions, I don't know, but rest assured thay are there..pulling the strings toward their own goals.
Unfortunately, innocent people die on all sides.
Soldiers on the field, are just following the orders of those who bark them from within their comfy leather office chairs - sending numbers (not human beings in their eyes...just numbers) to thier deaths every single day, and then go home to their comfortable homes, and eat nice hot dinners, then go to bed thinking that they are doing good.
The insergencies, are just following the dictates of religious clerics, who pick and choose, and paraphrase a 'holy book', and continue to brainwash their troops into a blind religious rage, that has gone beyond any sensiblilty.
And inbetween, innocent people, who just want to make the best of their lives and do their bit for the whole, are being caught in the cross-fire.
Needless deaths, all round.
Torog, you served in Vietnam - can you not see that Iraq is just another example of government lying to those brave soldiers?
You asked me if watching 'Apocolypse Now', made me see Americans as a bunch of redneck roosters. I told you then, as I am now, that I only saw the abhorrent disregard for life, exhibited by your government. I'm not attacking the soldiers, they too are just a means to an end of something that we don't (nor ever will) understand fully.
I remember watching the so-called "Shock and Awe" tactic on TV, just like millions of others...until I realised that I was viewing it like I would some kind of firework display!
I realsied that it was designed to brainwash me into some kind of childish glee at the sight of big flashes and loud bangs.
When in fact, I began to think of all those people that were alot closer to the 'action', who saw it as something completely different. :(
This war, as with all the wars that have gone before, is not about freedom, is not about regime change...it's about the greed and power dreams of a very few individuals, of which we 'small people' have to bear the cost.
Not only in monetary terms, but more importantly, in terms of a loss of humanity.
I'm not religious.
I never will be.
I view religion as another brain-wash tactic to control the masses by fear of the unknown...the unproven.
I believe that there is a higher power that we mere mortals cannot yet decipher, and if things carry on the way they are - I doubt that most of us will ever get that opportunity to see the real truth.
My heart breaks whenever I switch on the news, all I hear is glee at the death of another bunch of humans. Images show death and desperation on such a scale, that even I am becoming 'immune' to them.
Who wins?
No one.
Just my thoughts :) :( :confused:
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