GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
Harris7, have you ever considered that maybe the reason society is continually getting more and more dangerous, crime-ridden and just generally fucked up is because our laws are no longer strict, so people really don't care if they get caught?
That my friend is a very the very same argument I've heard so many right wing polititions make. And guess what it's based on nothing. Longer and more sever sentences have been found not to reduce crime. And that is why manditory minimum sentencing is stupid.
by your logic a society which used capital punishment for every crime would be the safest... I once saw a star trek about this :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
The amount of crime back in those days would have been absolutely insignificant compared to what we see now.
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This is an assumption. Was there less crime back then. Well there was a hell of a lot of rape and murder. just no one talked about it.
And I guess things like wife beatings weren??t crime because it was ok back then?
you are assuming that the world is worse today that it was. And since religion was stronger then. you are assuming that this correlation is causal. I doubt the correlation and I doubt it causal.
as well. Today the majority of crimes. Not pick pocketing. but shit real bad shit. is caused by a few. for example the American government has probably caused more "crime" throughout the world in the last 4 years than all the crime in Canada.
how many civilians have they killed. How many of there own civilians have they let die.
If your talking about average crime in the world being greater now. And if this is true. it is because the average is artificially inflated by a very very few who do very bad things.
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as well you seem to think the people killing in jesus??s name were all silly humans tricked by the church. Remember that the Christians killed more ??witches? than the Nazi??s killed jews!!!
What makes you so sure you are not just tricked my another institution?
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
Oh and currently aren’t the very very religious countries the ones with all the genocide and war…
And places with less religion, Europe or Canada, have none…
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
Okay,That really doesn't make any sense. The Christians killed the witches - God didn't tell them to. That's the thing you have to remember. It's the humans doing the evil. And when they do this evil, they are breaking many of the 10 commandments set by God, and the teachings in the Bible said by Jesus. Religion wasn't intended to be bad. Human's made it bad.
I think point is that Christians (God believing, Bible thumping zealots) did. But why?
Evil?
Religious dogma?
Fear?
The Devil?
Probably the very best answer here is fear, but I'd say all played a role. If this is true, what do you think they were they afraid of?
The Devil? (yes)
Because Christians felt they [The witches] threatened thier faith? (yes)
Because they [The Christians] thought they [The witches] were evil? (yes)
Now, what do you think caused them to feel this way, and why did they react the way they did?
Answer: Because the Bible told them so, and they thought the Bible was the word of God, and infallible! In this sense, God told them to kill the witches...pure and simple! Organized religion is a dangerous thing, and so is the Bible in the hands of the fearful, and true believers.
2 cents,
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
the thing is, united. IS that your saying that they arn't following Jesus. They are following the church. right...
but, they thought they were following him. and they thought the church was teaching his teachings.
what is different about you and this jesus website
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
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Originally Posted by harris7
the thing is, united. IS that your saying that they arn't following Jesus. They are following the church. right...
but, they thought they were following him. and they thought the church was teaching his teachings.
what is different about you and this jesus website
Actually, the web-site has some pretty damn good stuff on there. It's not dogmatic at all, man. At least, nothing like organized religion, or what is common among the churches. It actually attempt to guide the readers into a better way of seeing things, to help them in life. Granted, I haven't read through the entire site, but what I've seen thus far has been quite a treat. Save the fact that it claims to be the words of Jesus. I find that a little disturbing...
Other than that little [big] dilemma, I think it's a great site!
:thumbsup:
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
The website can say all the warm and fuzzy things it wants but the fact remains that they are claiming the info. is coming 'straight from Jesus'. In other words it's based on a lie. The same lie the Catholic Church (as the mouthpiece of God) and others have used for centuries to manipulate people.
Get enough people believing their bullshit and they can change what they say to anything they want-because after all, it's coming straight from God himself-right? So it's indisputable.
It's a suckers play and a poison trap guilded in lilies.
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
The website can say all the warm and fuzzy things it wants but the fact remains that they are claiming the info. is coming 'straight from Jesus'. In other words it's based on a lie. The same lie the Catholic Church (as the mouthpiece of God) and others have used for centuries to manipulate people.
Get enough people believing their bullshit and they can change what they say to anything they want-because after all, it's coming straight from God himself-right? So it's indisputable.
It's a suckers play and a poison trap guilded in lilies.
I guess there are three possibiblities here, Harris...
1) They are lying like you suggested
2) they are not lying and it really is coming from Jesus, or...
3) They are somewhat schizophrenic, and completely believe they are speaking for Jesus.
The last one is more likely imo, but you've seemed to have taken your pick, as well. I think as long as a person doesn't treat this site like most treat the Bible, there is no harm done, and 'maybe' some progress made, lol! Of course, anyone claiming the words of Jesus as fact could get a person in trouble if lead the wrong way...
So, I completely see your point, and I agree for the most part... Even so, the site makes for some prety darn good reading, haha!
I think I'll go there now, just to see what's new...
btw, sorry to jump in like I do...I sometimes can't help myself.
Much Love,
GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful
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1) They are lying like you suggested
2) they are not lying and it really is coming from Jesus, or...
3) They are somewhat schizophrenic, and completely believe they are speaking for Jesus.
I was going to say 1) and 3) are the same thing, but I suppose someone thinking they're telling the truth couldn't completely be construed as 'a lier'. Doesn't change the fact though that the info. is not the truth. And if it is psychosis that's just one step away from a Hale Bopp koolade party.
But by all means jump in any time you get the urge. That's what a forum is all about.
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
I was going to say 1) and 3) are the same thing, but I suppose someone thinking they're telling the truth couldn't completely be construed as 'a lier'. Doesn't change the fact though that the info. is not the truth. And if it is psychosis that's just one step away from a Hale Bopp koolade party.
But by all means jump in any time you get the urge. That's what a forum is all about.
Lmao! You got that right, man... Those koolaid party's can get a bit deadly, eh?
:D
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Originally Posted by Billionfold
Why is everyone obsessed with proving or disproving God? God is all about the faith. Here's how I see it...
People who try and try with all their might to prove God is bad/nonexistant are just trying to make everyone feel miserable like they do. People who try to shove God down your throat are radical or scared.
I think relationships with a deity are personal. I don't think church is bad or anything. I just feel that my relationship with God is no ones business but my own.
I hear ya, Billionfold, but much of this discussion isn't about proving, or dis proving anything. Thus far, the conversation is more about Gods attributes, and what some feel God is responsible for. I've seen some fairly bitter views stated, and I can certainly understand that mindset. Sure, God is about faith, and a personal relationship with God is just that...Personal.
Although, I think most views are somewhat fear based, as opposed to them "trying to make everyone feel miserable like they do". I don't see this factor at all. What I see is a bit of anger, bitterness, and a fear flavoured cherry to top it off. They're are merely stateing their views. This is what this forum is for, so...
I think it's interesting.
Much Love,
