Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist
I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.
Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.
Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.
Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.
It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.
Your conclusions are based on false premises. I can easily say that we are definitely operating out of different text books.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.
Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.
So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by afghooey
You can't always read too far into metaphors. They're not literal, after all. ;)
But the metaphor specifically was comparing beliefs to liquid water, not solid ice. And it works as such-- beliefs aren't tangible things, they're not as easily grasped in the same way that logic and reason are. Treating them as such, holding onto them like facts or trying to prove them in order to justify them, is like trying to grab hold of water for support.
Having ideas about god and the universe is one thing. Clinging obstinately to them and denying all other possibilities is another.
Your making a very good point. I frame these subjective relationships in the context of the belief in God simply because I personally have a tangible reason to do so. In that context, I believe your metaphor holds very true. I can attempt to hold to my perception of things as It relates to my relationship with Him and struggle against His work in my life. Letting go and simply allow Him to do His work on my heart and mind brings peace of mind that He will lead me in my life, specifically those things that are unknown ahead which can cause alot of anxiety, He can work out. I can also Hold on to the faith that He will do it because I have seen Him do it evry year. This is substance to me that I can personally hold onto like the security of the thicker Ice that I would much rather stand on. We may differ, and we probably do, but thats cool.....Good food for thought.
It is truly remarkable how He works things together for the good for those that love Him inspite of how badly I can get in the way and screw things up.
Thanks afghooey
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist
I hate christianity. That is a perversion of the truth if there ever was one. Jesus Christ himself said that the glory goes to the father. Why then does the apostle paul insist we worship him as a pagan sacrafice? Hmm, let's think about that for a minute... oh probably because Christianity replaced the Roman Empire's original paganism. Still, Christianity retains much of what is found in Mithraism and Paganism. The very notion of a God sacraficing his Divine Son for mine and your sins, is a direct reflection of Paganism. Also, Christianity contradicts what is found in the Torah (old testament ) , somewhere in leviticus where it is written that one should not offer his son as an offering for the lord. Why is that written? According to Jewish tradition, it is because the pagan tribes of the land would sacrafice their sons and daughters for their pagan gods, and Yahweh wanted no part of that in his religion.
Why do christians worship on Sunday, when the original sabbath was saturday? Answer: Because the pagan church used to worship on Sunday, before they all believed in Jesus Christ.
Also, the very notion of God as a 3 - part trinity ; when it is written "Sh'mah yisrael, adonai eloheinu adonai echad" --hebrew for "Hear, O israel! the lord your God, the lord is one" several times in the original Hebrew Tanach; this notion is entirely conflicting with the basic ideas of monotheism.
Interesting enough, the "holy spirit" is thought to be the angel Gabriel by Muslims.
It's very easy to prove christianity wrong, if you do your homework you will be surprised.
Iancurtiswishlist, I understand you difficulties, I think to a degree. I am not sure which passage from Paul you are referring to. I don??t think that matters though.. I don??t understand at all how you can deduce that Paul was promoting Paganism. Paul was a pharisee, who sat at the feet of Gamaliel. He was a Jew of Jews. He was very zealous for Judaism..... Paganism?
You are disregarding the father of Faith....Abraham. What was Gods request of Abraham on Mt. Mariah? This is in the Torah as you know. You Ignored this.
Sunday, is used by Christians I understand, because it is the beginning of the new week, A new beginning. The Sabbath principle is honored. Which is at the core of what God wants anyway.
How about the ??Type? established of the sacrifices that started from the beginning, with the animals killed for there skins, of which God used to cover both Adam and Eve, again a Type established of God covering us ...blood being shed was also a result. I do not understand how someone can quote scripture in Hebrew and not know these things. Clearly the picture of Christ's Crucifixion was laid out through the whole of the Bible......Ok lets say through he entirety of the Torah.
You can be convinced in your mind concerning anything that you chose to believe.
Your own logic .... use or misuse of facts is irrelevant to me......To say that you can easily disprove it is foolish.
A little bit of pride ....with some arrogance mixed in??
Isaiah 53 alone........ reveiles your claims to be false.
Isaiah lived during the late eighth and early seventh centuries B.C. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Isaiah
We must accept, this very involved and spoken of provision of God or be absolutly lost. He made the rules here. He chose to do things this way Bitching about it doesn't change a thing ....he has established himself through history....It is His..story.
Isaiah 53
The Suffering Servant
1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.
We must accept, this very involved and spoken of provision of God or be absolutly lost. He made the rules here ....he has established himself through history....It is His..story.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by 420somewhere
Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.
Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.
So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)
Your right,....and that's not fun.
I'ts time to move on. It was good....very good at times. I got a tremendous amount out of this. I am leaving ....much larger than I came, and I thank you all for this.
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Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by Toothpick
Ok I don't know if I'm onto something or if I need to quite the weed or what but this is what I came up with... If you can prove their is true pure happiness on earth then it proves heaven wrong...the bible states that heaven is perfect and that has happines that can't be reached on earth...so if anyone was to have a moment of pure happiness on earth then that would prove that their is pure happiness outside of heaven thus making a flaw in the bible...proving christianity wrong...wtf?
WHAT THE FUCK??? HAHAHAHAHahHAhaHHAh im soo stoned and i laughed my ass off when i read this. that is the worst logic ever.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by 420somewhere
Those who believe in a God will defend their God and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they think it's true.
Those logical analytical scientific thinkers who know better and do not believe in a God or any of that mythical prehistoric crap will defend truth and are not going to change their minds about whether or not they're right or wrong.
So basically this thread is going to bash heads for a while until it dies off...BUCKLE UP EVERYONE! ;)
You're off. I believe in God. Have changed my mind about it.
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
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Originally Posted by 420somewhere
... And Spirit Level...you said this...
"... turn ur 2 dimensional triangle featuring religion, philosophy and science at its walls and add depth and height (3 dimensions) [sphere]
religion and science and philosophy don't fit the tru equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think..."
First off, you can't add height to a 2-dimensional object its already there ;) Lenght x Height? That's 2 dimensions... can't have 2 heights :thumbsup: And how would you turn it?
Second off, you said fit the true equation? What equation? You rambled for a few minutes talking half-heartedly kind-of sort of about imposing an equilateral triangle in a perfect circle and then making the the circle a sphere enclosing the triangle inside?
Third...you were talking smack on a different thread because a fellow dope smoker went to college for engineering. You scolded him for subjecting himself to academia and the governments twisted plot to mold us and what not and all we did was try and explain to you how mathematics was always true? In response we got some beefed up, thesaraus charged speech that really made no sense at all, even though it was a great attempt at using big words! Now you're defending mathematics on this thread? SO are you bipolar or did you see that we were right before and math really isn't so devilish?
PS: Jesus existed. And he was dark skinned. And he was probably schizophranic and no one knew it because they didn't know what it was then. Yeah, I know. God doesn't exist. Okay? Good!
My error. X is lenght, Y is height, and Z is depth. My explanation was such because I had the image of X & Y on a flat piece of paper without acknowledgeing Y as height. My utterance was purely hypethetical; probly why it resembled rambling and half heartedness. The true equation is a metaphor and not literal. Math can be superimposed on physical and non pysical events; thus we make calculations before making decissions, it is a mathematical process. As for the other thread and what was goin on over there, since You find it necessary to bring it up; If u bothered to read the thread properly or put down your selective amnesia you would have read the following also and I quote
"...I know that mathematics is a fundamental attribute to the existence of the universe and that there in; it's probably unchanged through the dimensions. I know that mathematics is either true or false, and that is why I studied maths at higher level. It is the only subject I know of that cannot be manipulated to become something else....."
http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost....9&postcount=26
I am not bipolar and I haven't suddenly seen any light; I still stand by what I said in the OTHER thread. The above quote is from one of my so called 'Beefed' up statements that made no sense? I do like word variety, I suppose it comes from reading the subjects I do. And I still don't think you are right. And neither do I share your views on this subject, but hey; we all have the right to think whatever we want to think, just because we think it does not make it right.:thumbsup:
Way to Prove Christianity wrong
The Trilogy
I looked at Sacred Geometry a few years ago as a subject worthwhile embarking on. This came about after reading Bob Frissell??s ?? Nothing in this Book is True, But it??s Exactly How Things Are. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1583...59#reader-link It was around the same time I was studying math at higher level.
The first geometric shape reached consisting of just straight lines is a triangle as we know. Like; Mother & Father & Child; each being a straight line. The trilogy serves a purpose and can be identified as A + B = C which is one of the most basic of equations in the realm of mathematics. A triangle can exist but putting a circle around it ensures completeness i.e. (A + B = C) where the presence of brackets indicates that everything within them have a relationship separate, yet significant, to what is outside of them. Putting brackets around (Mother + Father = Child) could be interpreted as the brackets being a love connection or something which binds them and giving them that separate, unique relationship. But it must be noted that the brackets bind the equation and Not each component. This indicates that each component is dependent on the other and if the equation breaks then the brackets (love) disappears also because the simple equation is incomplete.
Adding depth, or volume to a simple equation like (A + B = C) by cubing the result adds another dimension. Depth is more spiritual that just the love brackets. But again, cubing outside the bracket means that all is lost when a component is taken out. (all is lost meaning the sum won??t calculate) So, the love and spiritual concepts can be lost when we look at a simple equation like that.
However each A and B component can correspond to the result of a previous equation; say (F^2 * (V * x^3) + Y = A) and (K^6 * (T - b^2) + Y = B). This means that A and B components could already have the Depth component within their equation (makeup) before they calculate and result with C. C can still be missing its depth even though it has inherited results from equations that have already been cubed(given volume/depth); C needs to add depth to itself to keep the family tree equation resultant figure rising. I don??t know what this figure represents/corresponds to as its all metaphorical.
Religion, Science and Philosophy are linear subjects. The reason I stated this was because it could be possible to somehow deduce an equation and work out the values of all the components. It won??t be as simple as (a + b = c) as it would probably consist of using all buttons on a state of the art scientific calculator. I am not going to proceed with a math lesson on adding and subtracting though it could be interesting.
Straight Line - The male principle; using them equally you get an equilateral triangle which can be place nicely in a circle (circle - female principle). Circles are an unbroken line with its beginning at its end and vice versa. Take the circle, a representation of spiritual illumination, and realise then that everything is linked. This is just as putting brackets around three linear principles.
Turn your 2 dimensional triangle featuring any dang thing you like at its three walls and add spiritual depth {NOT height}(3 dimensions). Then put it in a sphere so when all linear components reach their highest level of spiritual illumination their point meet.
Religion and Science and Philosophy don't fit the true equation, but hopefully u can see how mathematics over anything else rules but not as we think
Pyramids weren't built because the shape is nice (may have square base but still have triangle feature)
