those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages
look through the list and see how many countries have 2-20+ OFFICIAL languages. i'm not even saying spanish should be an official language, all i am saying is that the US shouldn't force it.
and that is the only real reply i will give you... i concluded that you are dillusional or young
I don't have to look through your list..I live right here where everyday life experiences show what is needed..they need to learn english! And I still say english should be required to pass citizenship here...heck..even terrorists are smart enough to learn the fundamentals..and they hate us..so if you love your new country..embrace its language and diverse cultures....don't expect me to live like I am in your country instead of vice versa...and I made my conclusion on you a few threads ago when you posted about stupid Americans..its tiresome seeing that these days..have some pride. Do you speak spanish? If not..learn it! Might shock you to know what is really being said to you..haha..really disappointed with your conclusion though...you were presenting your viewpoint very well..
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
how are they convicted criminals... the law they break by coming across the border is a misdeameanor:thumbsup:
"Immigrants contribute 7 billion in social security per year. they earn 240 billion, report 90 billion, and only are reimbursed 5 billion, "where are the 85 billion?" They also contribute to the U.S. economy 25 billion more than they receive in healthcare, etc., etc., etc."
they aren't as tax dodging as many may think
as per dictionary.com
4 entries found for convict.
con·vict ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-vkt)
v. con·vict·ed, con·vict·ing, con·victs
v. tr.
1. Law. To find or prove (someone) guilty of an offense or crime, especially by the verdict of a court: The jury convicted the defendant of manslaughter.
2. To show or declare to be blameworthy; condemn: His remarks convicted him of a lack of sensitivity.
3. To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt.
v. intr.
To return a verdict of guilty in a court: ??We need jurors... who will not convict merely because they are suspicious? (Scott Turow).
n. Law (knvkt)
1. A person found or declared guilty of an offense or crime.
2. A person serving a sentence of imprisonment.
adj. Archaic
Found guilty; convicted.
ba ba bull sh...................
Nowhere does it say a conviction has to be a felony
I wanna go to canada where they actually have a budget excess, as opposed to the USA deficit caused largely by the huge majority of illegal aliens impose on the USA by leeching free medical care and not paying income taxes let alone contributing to health plan costs.
phewwey!!!!!!!!!!!!
why can't mexico give free health coverage????
I figure it is to their benefit to just drop the bill on the USA deficit!
smell ya l8tr!
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
mexico is really shitting all over us
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
I don't understand the smell of cities south of the USA border. Why does it always reek.....is it a cultual thing .....going potty in gutter?
If you know why it stinks so bad down there please explain?
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
shelbay- just one more thing b/c you make it seem like i hate Americans
what you are saying about me "hating" my own people is taken out of context.
2. i also am fluent in spanish, you just bring irrelevant stuff in and it doesnt apply :)... like you did with saying im not American
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by grinthenbearit
as per dictionary.com
4 entries found for convict.
con·vict ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-vkt)
v. con·vict·ed, con·vict·ing, con·victs
v. tr.
1. Law. To find or prove (someone) guilty of an offense or crime, especially by the verdict of a court: The jury convicted the defendant of manslaughter.
2. To show or declare to be blameworthy; condemn: His remarks convicted him of a lack of sensitivity.
3. To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt.
v. intr.
To return a verdict of guilty in a court: ??We need jurors... who will not convict merely because they are suspicious? (Scott Turow).
n. Law (knvkt)
1. A person found or declared guilty of an offense or crime.
2. A person serving a sentence of imprisonment.
adj. Archaic
Found guilty; convicted.
ba ba bull sh...................
Nowhere does it say a conviction has to be a felony
I wanna go to canada where they actually have a budget excess, as opposed to the USA deficit caused largely by the huge majority of illegal aliens impose on the USA by leeching free medical care and not paying income taxes let alone contributing to health plan costs.
phewwey!!!!!!!!!!!!
why can't mexico give free health coverage????
I figure it is to their benefit to just drop the bill on the USA deficit!
smell ya l8tr!
convicted implies that their was a trial...
you can use criminal [as an adjective] for the law they are breaking, but that would be like saying your a criminal for speeding [misdemeanor].
kind of silly don't you think?
:dance:
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
I think that the laws shouldnt stay the same but i am not for completely opposing illegal immigration. If youve even seen pictures of REAL mexico you know why they are here. Mexico is a living shithole that you couldnt blame someone for wanting to leave and come here, illegal or not. I highly doubt it will pass but i havent been following up on it. If it does well there are going to be alot of pissed of mexicans, sounds like it might cause more trouble than its worth. Im not sure what the requirements are for citizenship here but im sure it isnt anything too outstanding. Anyone know what they are? I think that if they want to stay they should become a real citizen, otherwise GTFO:)
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
xdog..If your American...some of your posts are contradictory to that..you might be..but your word terminology says different..among other things. Since you seem familiar with the hispanic cause...why is it that they come here illegally..protest while waving Mexicos Flag...but did not rally like this in Mexico for their "rights"? Just curious..you do have an opinion on that?
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
xdog..If your American...some of your posts are contradictory to that..you might be..but your word terminology says different..among other things. Since you seem familiar with the hispanic cause...why is it that they come here illegally..protest while waving Mexicos Flag...but did not rally like this in Mexico for their "rights"? Just curious..you do have an opinion on that?
seriously can you find what posts are contradictory to me being American?
i do think that more should be done, like they should have protested in their native land, but i think it needs to be done here in America also [by Americans im saying, b/c we are in a terrible situation b/c of our gov't too].
The reason they feel like they should do it here is b/c our government and principles are very closely related to our founding ideology, which are basic rights for all, and now that they have been here and working here for the gov't to simply classify them as felons is unfair.
those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by benagain
what about all the people trying to get here the right way? Illeagles are making it harder and harder every day. Find someone who has or is trying to come over the right way. I don't care if they're mexican or not, they're pissed off at the illegals. It can takes years anymore to get to live here, but pedro can jump a fence and work just about anywhere. It's just not fair. I don't care one way or the other as to where your from. Our country is made up of people who wanted a way of of a crappy life. I'm happy for anyone who gets to come over, but don't screw other honest people out of a chance to get a decent job.
I agree with benagain here because I have experience in this area. No, not me, I was born and raised here. But my wife is from China. I lived in China for a while and we met and were married there. When we decided to move back to the U.S. we did it the right, legal, way and I can tell you it was an absolute nightmare. We were forced to spend 6 months apart, on two occaisions, and treated like animals by the INS. Everybody thinks that being married to an American is an instant ticket in but that just isn't the case. It may be a bit faster but that's a relative term when dealing with the U.S. Gov't. So yeah, we do get pretty pissed off at people who come here illegally and want a free ride.
That being said, xblackdogx is right. Illegals do a lot of the shit jobs that nobody else wants to do and they do them for less than anyone here, native or legal immigrant, would do it for. If we were to suddenly get rid of all illegals the effect on our economy would be devastating. Two main reasons:
1. As has already been pointed out, if you sudennly incresae the wages of workers in a given industry, the prices of the goods produced by those industries will have a corresponing increase. This is a no brainer. Say, for example, a farmer pays illegals $2 and hr to pick strawberries and he sells those strawberries for $2.50 lb. If he has to start paying someone $6 an hr he'll no longer be able to sell them for $2.50 a lb. Obviously nything produced by the agricultural industries would face a massive blow as would all other services produced by "unskilled labor" .
2. Second would be the effect on inflation. This is something that most people don't even consider but, in all reality, has much more severe consequences. As somebody else already pointed out, illegals send billions back to Mexico every year. Now, imagine we have no illegals and the money stays in our economy. That's billions more $'s floating around. Combine that with the fact that higher wages are being paid to "legals" and you now have tens of billions more floating aound the economy. The most basic economic law is that prices are based on supply and demand. More money in the economy means more demand so the prices go up. Now, even products that previously were not touched by illegals see their prices soaring. To combat this the Fed would increase interest rates. etc. etc. Bad news any way you look at it.
What is needed is some kind of migrant worker program. Let the workers come in legally, for a specified, and definitely temporary, period of time. Do not grant them all the rights of U.S.. citizens. Tax them at a drastically lowered rate (this would help employers as well since they also pay taxes fr their workers) and set a lower minimum wage for them. It can't be done without some impact to our economy but certainly the impact can be minimilized.
