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No worries, I know what you mean... I just get carried away sometimes. It's just that to me, the matter is crystal clear, and I don't think there's any turning back for me... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
I really cannot see how people, billions actually, can believe in things that amount to nothing more than fairy tales, in things that have caused more misery, pain and hunger than anything else.
I get carried away sometimes, too. Actually, more often than not, lol! I have a clear view, also, only I do believe that something bigger than ourselves exists. Some call this thing God, and some call it a 'higher power', I call it God for sake of making my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
It's true that religion has caused much suffering, misery, pain, etc... But, it has done some good, also. I actually pick and choose what I take from the Bible. Alot of it is just too far out there for me to embrace. Things like blood sacrifice, the wars, the anger, and all the intolerance, and not to even mention the guilt produced by the concept of 'sin'.
I once believed that the Bible was the tree of knowledge (good and evil) haha! I put it down, and wouldn't dare pick it up. Then I realized that there really is no absolute right and wrong, and that everything we experience is purely subjective. I'd say that most know what is bennificial to them, and to humanity. We don't need a book to tell us how to live, but it can help if you aproach it objectively, and ignore the dark aspects within the texts.
I'm not a Christian, nor do I view myself as an overly religious person. I can see wisdom in Jesus' walk, and I respect that because he simply valued love, and responsibility. I think it is through love, and through responsibility, that mankind will/can survive ourselves. I disagree with the Christian version of salvation...it seems to take responsibility out of the hands of man, and put it solely on thier God, and Jesus. They seem to not appreciate what they have, or what was given to them to take care of...Creation! I know it is difficult to appreciate such a world at times, but it's all we got, man. I think we should make the best of it, and strive to make it better for future generations.
I really have no convicted views as to what happens after death, but if I were God, I'd send every damn one of us back to be reborn in the world we leave behind...Just seems appropriate! We have a potential paradise in our hands, or a potential hell, lol! It's up to mankind to decide which is better to pursue....
We are the kings of this kingdom!
I Call this earth: "Eden". :D
Sorry for the length, man. I highly respect the Atheist pov. You guys seem to value more worthy endeavors than do many Christians, and religious folk.
Later,
That is great sentiment, one that believers and atheists should share and agree upon. For too long the emphasis in our lives has been the Next World, while This World was considered evil, tainted, and whatnot. This view was very popular in the Middle Ages because a lot of people did indeed live in misery, and the belief in a better world upon death comforted them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
But this belief is out-dated, IMHO. We can make This World a better place, we have the technology and the know-how, all we need is the will. But as long people worry more about what happens to their own soul after they die and ignore that billions of people that will live on long afterwards, nothing will happen, status quo.
To me, death is the end of existence, and the only reckoning that might happen is not with God, but with ourselves. We don't need God to judge us, I think 99% of people know if they led a good life, or a bad one. Is there something in us that is reborn into another body? I wouldn't think so, but we can't rule it out completely.
Atheism does not mean a lack of spirituality, it just means we don't don't believe in God, because he is simply not there, he's a fabrication. There certainly is more to life than we can see and touch, but it is certainly not the Christian version, which has been continually disproved since the 1600s. No, I don't think either that Science can provide all the answers, but when it come to choosing to believe a priest, whose knowledge only comes the Bible, or a scientist, who has dedicated his/her entire life to study one small aspect of the universe, I'll choose the scientist.
I was gonna ask if you dug it up, or saw it in the link in the "Christianity" Thread, haha!
No worries...I still feel the same, though. (For the most part)
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It's funny, but my mother started in on me again...not...5 minutes ago, lol! She agrees with many of my views, only she is determined to convert me to her particular brand of Christianity.
Why do they do this?
I'm baffled!
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Anyone care to help out what my mother calls a "lost soul"?
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You are but an enlightened soul. Not because you aren??t Christian but because you think for your self.
Oh and if you want to accept Christianity. Start going to church and pray. Live the Christian life because many of the things they do are done only to brainwash.
I firmly believe that I could make myself Christian by living their life.
I think it was Pascal who spoke to this ??forcing your self to become religious?
-ps-sorry for posting without reading the entire thread.
That's ok harris...
It's an old thread from like April. United posted, then my mom came by telling how I need to go to church. I had thought she got over it.
I'm somewhat spiritual, and I'm NOT a lost soul. Although, my mom seems to think I am, lol
The church has a strong hold on my momma...yes they do!
I made some good ground with her months ago, but she has since gone back to the intolorance, anger, bitterness, and holier than thou attitude. Then she tells me that I need to go to church.
I hate it. She trys hard to be a 'good' christian, she's just missing the message, imo...
Much Love,
If god is real how come i havnt seen him? How do YOU know that out of hundreads of religons christianity is the "real" one. How do You know jesus existed just because it said it in a book that has been scientificly proven wrong? Show me proof of god, jesus, satan, heaven, hell then i will believe it.
It is impossible for somthing to be true if there is no proof of it whatsoever.
Oh and by the way im the son of god, give me your money and i will sacrafice my self and wash away your sins... heheh.
Who are you speaking to, SyR1S?
Just curious...
btw, there are truths that we will NEVER know. Many things are true, but offer no truth.
Think about what you said...