That is IT!

Who cares.

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so whats the deal with penguin? is it just me or is he like....15 or somehitng.

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that's a pretty assanine statement.... his age has nothing to do with this topic period... there's absolutely no reason why he can't know just as much about the govt. and living situations ect. ect. as a 40 yr old...... not to brag, but i've known people who're alot older then me, went to, and graduated college, yet they don't know near as much as i do, and i've not even graduated high school... to a certain extent age is just a number, it's how one applies thyself that builds the intelligence, and knowledge, especially on topics such as this, not age...

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Originally Posted by P.E.N.G.U.I.N.

Okay, everyone. I was just reading a thread "Teacher vs. Me" and I think the majority of you are ignorant fuckers willing to let life pass you by.

You were all flaming the kid for being ignorant, not respecting those who have died for us, and for being a blatant pothead.

You know what? Fuck you all. It's people like him with the BALLS to stand up who are going to advance, not the people who thrash those brave enough to stand up. Government is a ruined ideal, Religion took a left turn to nowhere, and the people in power are on a trip that many of us will neither experience nor understand.

Government...where to begin. Government started as the bandit parties who went around killing people and stealing their food. The people banded together to protect themselves, copying the bandits' system. Government has its advantages, such as building transportation systems and such, but it has two major flaws.

First of all, it runs off of money. MONEY. You want something done? Where's the cold hard cash? People are hungry? Well, we need money to feed them. We need to build a road? We need money to pay the workers. You want to connect computers together to revolutionize communication? Sure, but where's my money? Honestly, nothing can get done without money. Why? What's so special about a little note saying you have 10 whatever? I think the first greedy person was the person who invented money. Truly greedy, now. People were stealing each other's treasures long before a piece of paper was considered valuable.

Second, it relies on people. People who are prone to lies, cheating, and stealing just as much as you and I. Do you want people like that controlling your life? Begging for money to support projects, many of which don't concern you? Do you really? Hmm...interesting. I didn't know there were that many self-destructive people around here.

Nowadays, government is nothing but a way for people to steal from their peers and get them to do what they want. Pretty messed up, huh?

Religion...Religion...a good idea gone bad. Religion started as people whose beliefs were similar getting together and practicing their beliefs together. Now, it's a system of control. We all think alike, we don't complain as much. Who will argue with God's will, I ask you? No one. No one who can think, anyway. Why not believe what YOU believe, and keeping it to yourself? I mean, if someone asks, tell them. But if not, don't force it upon myself or others. It gets old.

Power...Power...People are in power. They control your life. They determine what you see, what you feel, what you like, what you dislike, what you love, what you hate, what you buy, what you refuse to buy, which restraunts you frequent, which restraunts you don't, what you use to power your life, what car you drive, what clothes you wear, what clothes you wouldn't wear for anything...everything about you, they are in control. Why? Because you let them. You give them money, you look up to them as "role models" because they have money. You elect them, you love them because they're doing "so much" when, more often than not, they are simply stealing from the community.

Fuck them, fuck power, fuck government, fuck religion, and fuck all of you who don't see what shit is being pulled over our eyes.

Think for yourselves, don't think what others have told you to think. Respect those who you know personally. They gave their life for you? That's their choice, you didn't ask for it. I wouldn't give my life for you all. I care about me and those I love, not those in the future or the past. I'm not going to give my life...my precious life...for someone I will never meet...who may never be born.

You all riding your high horses because you're a patriot and respect your country, you support crime more than any organized crime syndicate. Governments make the worst crimes every day, and you support them.

Fuck
You
ALL!


You can flame me now.

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Yes, because he has such huge gigantic gargantuan balls for not wanting to stand during the pledge.

It's called being an attention whore. I'm atheist, I don't necessary agree with all that shit -- but even if I do sit during the pledge, what the FUCK does that accomplish?

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Originally Posted by insanity

Where the fuck do you get your infromation dude?

First, government did not start as bandit party that killed and stole foods. That is a fucking third grade explanation to explain the evils of government. Government started as nomadic response to protect centralized land areas they would eventually settle. Besides government is not run off money, it is run off power. They have the power to make you pay for these things, they have the power to do things, they have the power to inact laws on you. Why do they have this power? Because we let them. Sorry dude, but unless you can start a revolution you should do something to change the system from within (its called working to elect an ideal government).

On money, you do realize a government can't give out things for free. Like it or not, resources do not grow on trees. The government must control the means of production, and they can not do it if there is no monetary system to keep the system vibrant. Sorry man, but that problem will follow you everywhere.

On religion. There are lots of religions out there and you can not generalize all of them. Besides, people naturally seek some sort of spirtual exsistance, because we want to believe we are not alone. Sure, certain dogmatic traditions have destoryed the names of lots of religions, but you can only blame those responsible. Saying fuck religion is like saying fuck humanity.

On power. Power is everywhere, always has been, always will be. I agree, the system sucks. However, you make it seem like free will is doomed by power. This is not the case, because you are free to choose to be under different power strctures. Also, you are free to live outside the power structure, and people have done it many times before.

On you. You need to stop bitching, dude. Fuck that shit. Personally, I'm about as liberal as they come, but I don't spend my time bitching about how much I hate big brother government. I spend my time working on campagins, I've ran for mayor, I've helped orginizae a national campaign, I'm studying history and poliy sci just so I can do my part to rid ignorance. You seem to be talking about revolution, but your not doing anything to prevent it. Do you want to fucking die fighting a corrupt system, or do you want to work hard so you kids don't have to worry about it? Look, I like reading your posts, but this attitude (and the attitude of SweetDreams420) shows no maturity, just a middle finger to every thing because you refuse to take the long road to peace.

Note: I am really high and trying to type.

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Needed to be said... thanks! :) I have never seen kids bitch so much about stuff they know so little about in all my life. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

What, you mean challenge him to take up a sense of responsibility as opposed to passing the buck and talking about the horrible things others have done while remaining passive about the whole state of affairs?

We've all got to grow up sometime. If you can't accept that then you're walking a fine line between sheltering and suffocating.

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I do plan on trying to change it, Polymirize. You threw down the challenge, like you always do, and I'm taking you up on it.

Okay, the nomadic thing, that's my personal opinion. HOWEVER, if you look at it, it makes more sense. There were people, honest farmers who would band together just to be social so they could...I dunno...reproduce, maybe? (I'm being very sarcastic) Well, when you have a group of good people together, just living, there are no problems. Zero, zip, nada, zilch, the big 0. No problems.

Introduce one person who decides to steal instead of working for his living, and the family he or she steals from will band together and probably kill him.

Now, a group of thieves rally around a particular strong thief or bandit or whatever. Mind you, what history teachers tell you is all the generally accepted scientific standpoint. Were any of them there at the time? No. Is there a written record? No. It's all guesswork. Anyway, this GROUP of thieves or robbers or whatever can and will terrorize a peaceful group of nomadic people without a problem. So, what do the peaceful do? They band together for protection. Then they start making permanent homes, and need ways of building on to their permanent area...I think you all get the picture.

Next, I do not like any form of control over people. Government or otherwise, I don't condone it. An individual is an individual and has every right to do what they will. If they make life harder on other people, then those other people should take the matter in to their hands. Anarchy, and it's cruel, but people learn a lot better about being nice to each other if their neighbor is going to be the one coming at him with a shotgun, not some judge who's going to send him away for a little while.

Yes, I am 15. But I don't just sit here spouting off about things I don't have clue one about. I know how government works. I have for a long time, and if you think my age is some sort of hindrance, nay, a flaw of mine, fuck you. I have no control over my date of birth, nor do you. Now shut up.

It's not money in and of itself that is at fault. People should be allowed certain things freely. The fact that we withold food, shelter, clothing, communication, and education from people because they can't pay for it is complete bullshit. And making people who can pay for it is bullshit, too. It is my firm belief that people should be given the necessities of life without worrying about having to give something back. That's just basic human compassion. Probably a billion people are dying because they don't have money to pay for food. Not that there's a shortage, because there isn't. These people are basic people who can't afford food or even land to grow food on. They're usually lucky enough to have a tiny little hut they built themselves to keep themselves from the cruelties of nature.

I feel like I'm forgetting something...

Religion...the "light of our lives"...I never said that spirituality, or looking to God for inspiration is wrong. I said organized religion is. People don't need to be bullied in to being nice to each other. That is basically what most religions do. Buddhism is my favorite religion of those I have looked at, simply because it basically says "Do what you will, but expect to pay for what evil you have done to others". It acknowledges that we all have the choice to do what we want, but also tells us being mean to each other is bad. A great philosophy, in my opinion.

That wasn't what I was forgetting, though >.<

Now I remember.

There is no true democracy in this world at the moment. We, America, who so proudly claim to be a democratic nation, are actually classified as a democratic oligarchal republic. No joke. People with lots of possessions have a greater say in government (don't even try to debunk that) and we democratically elect people to make decisions for us, most of the time without us even knowing what's going on.

The last true democracy was Greece. 400 people chosen at random every couple of years formed the Senate. If someone had a problem, they took it to the Senate and hade a vote. If the Senate vetos the notion, the person can ask for mor people to come and help. That's as much as I can remember about their government, but it was closer to a democracy than we are now. A true democracy would call for a nationwide election before doing ANYTHING.

Anyway, if you agree with me, great. If not, great. It's your choice.

SOOOO MUCH TO READ....

weed = philosophising = strong opinions = disagreements = conflict = war. let's all give up weed for good!

you know whats scary, the fact that hitler came to power through the "wonderful" system of democracy. This is scary for two reasons. 1st it shows how huge of an error we are capable of making as people. Secondly it show that through democracy some crazy single minded asshole like the dude who started this thread can gain as much power as they want.

Nice to know you think I'm like Hitler, 123456...

In an anarchy however, one person or conglomerate eventually gains enough power to assume leadership by force, taking things full circle. The problem is, it's impossible to ensure equality under an anarchist system. Also, on organized religion, some do find the need for spiritual guidance and a community via a church, mosque, etc. It's also completely voluntary, and not necessary for religious beliefs. You can't deny that organized religion does wonders for charity and the homeless. Just think of it as a community of willing participants who come together in the faculty of spiritual enlightenment.

For the record, I'm not trying to flame you or piss you off, back when I was 15 I was exactly like you. (Not ment to patronize.)