Real Shotguns

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Originally Posted by tadaa

And you wonder why there are so many accidental gun deaths. Those idiots shouldnt' even be called soldiers. It's poor handling and improper use of a firearm for no reason at all.

I mean honestly, how many idiots do you need in 1 room to come up with an idea that stupid. It's so stupid that 1 or 2 idiots couldn't even be that dumb. I guess that's why there's a group of them. I mean how does that even come about? "hey guys, I have a GREAT idea, lets put a shotgun in our mouths so we can smoke out of it".

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hmm, ok some guy is taking weed smoke from a device used to kill people and you say they shouldn't even be soldiers because of this? this is the point of soldiers, to point guns at people, the shells were gone, and even more importantly, even if there was a shell in it, the fashion in which this is done (even tho i've never seen it done with this type of shotgun, always just a break-away double barrell) it would make it literally 100% impossible to shoot yourself, since the stem of the pipe couldn't even fit in the barrell if the shell was loaded and cocked, all ready to fire.

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Originally Posted by tadaa

There's about 900 accidental gun deaths each year in the U.S

Every single one of them thought the gun wasn't loaded.

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Thank you for taking the time out of your day to question every single of the 900 accidental gun deaths and, through your immense research, surmise that these were all due to people believing the gun wasn't loaded. Actually, the correct mean of deaths every year in the United States is 762 (taken from a 2002 estimate). See, when you don't research things, and throw out a ballpark number that isn't true, no one has a reason to believe anything else you say. Haven't you ever heard of an accidental discharge? There are times when the person knows the gun is loaded, and doesn't intend on shooting it, but accidents happen. I believe that people in war have more of a chance of dying from the enemy than from smoking marijuana through a shotgun.

Personally, I think it would be very hard to mess this up. Really, truly improbably. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I truly believe that if someone died of accidental discharge from taking a shotgun hit in war, chances are they would have died, IN WAR, anyways. Anyone ever see the movie platoon? The way it was done in that movie looks like a very simple process.

What I used here in this argument is called tact. People are more willing to believe you when you use it. When you are condescending and constantly use expletives, people will only see you as a jackass, which I believe you have made yourself out to be. Express your opinions as best as you can so that others may see how you feel, but don't be a jackass about it. That doesn't help anybody.

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tact

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Originally Posted by graph

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to question every single of the 900 accidental gun deaths and, through your immense research, surmise that these were all due to people believing the gun wasn't loaded. Actually, the correct mean of deaths every year in the United States is 762 (taken from a 2002 estimate). See, when you don't research things, and throw out a ballpark number that isn't true, no one has a reason to believe anything else you say. Haven't you ever heard of an accidental discharge? There are times when the person knows the gun is loaded, and doesn't intend on shooting it, but accidents happen. I believe that people in war have more of a chance of dying from the enemy than from smoking marijuana through a shotgun.

Personally, I think it would be very hard to mess this up. Really, truly improbably. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I truly believe that if someone died of accidental discharge from taking a shotgun hit in war, chances are they would have died, IN WAR, anyways. Anyone ever see the movie platoon? The way it was done in that movie looks like a very simple process.

What I used here in this argument is called tact. People are more willing to believe you when you use it. When you are condescending and constantly use expletives, people will only see you as a jackass, which I believe you have made yourself out to be. Express your opinions as best as you can so that others may see how you feel, but don't be a jackass about it. That doesn't help anybody.

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tact

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You're a moron. There's more than one source as to how many accidental gun deaths there are each year, and exactly how that particular source classifies a "accidental" gun death.

I mean come on, look how stupid I'm making 90% of the people in this thread look. I'm the ONLY one arguing that putting a gun in your mouth is stupid, everyone else is all for it. It's not hard to figure out who's the idiot(s).

You think you're right. I think you're a jackass. How many people agree?

Oh, and as for my information, there are more than one sites. Had you taken the time to look you would have seen that. Smart people research, stupid people put down others' research without researching themselves.

http://www.econ.umd.edu/~duggan/gunshows3.pdf
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main...d.html?col=479
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/20...oday_accid.php
http://college.hmco.com/english/reso...ase_study.html

I have found no source that gives the number to be 900 that is later than 1998. It wasn't 900 in 1998, though, it was 825, but these sites obviously rounded up. They all classify accidental gun death as a non-intentional death by firearm.

actually i hate to burst both of your bubbles but there is no way that all the accidental gun deaths could be tracked to an exact number... any reports you see are just the ones reported, on top of that media (along with all other sources of public information) are subject to getting mis information, think back to the first mine explosion/collapse or w/e the fuck it was just about a month ago, one slight slip of mis-information led most of the men's families to believe they're spouses were still alive, when in fact they weren't. there's absolutely no way you can give an exact number of how many accidental shootings there were, nor can you give an exact number of any circumstances involved (gun loaded but the person didn't think so, gun loaded accidently discharged, and so on) any time you hear "blah blah blah, in such and such state/country, in the past however many days/months/years" that is pure speculation/estimate and so on, becuase there is no way every single gun related injury is reported, and at that reported correctly... yal two can go on arguing about it if you like, but all you're getting down to now is matters of opinion/speculation, because like i said, it'd literally be impossible to give an exact number of anything...

as a matter of pure example, so and so got out on parole has strict orders not to have a gun, he's showing his buddy and his buddy gets shot, there's a chance that story will never come to light and all that will be reported is that the buddy was showing off his new gun when he shot himself with it... of course if all circumstances were like that then the estimates would be accurate, but i think anyone with half a brain cell can get what i'm trying to get at with that point.

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Originally Posted by m4ster chef

Ok, here's the thing about those guys.

1. They ALL know how to handle their weapons. They did it every day and their lives depended on it.

2. When you pump a shotgun till no more shells eject, you can see light coming through the barrell, and you can stick the pipe into the barrell, and when you blow smoke out the end, NOTHING can be in the barrell.

3. Those guys deserved to do what they wanted to. They had to kill or be killed. They went through more hell than most could dream of.

I have had my Hunter Safety Course that my state requires to buy a hunting license and I have handled guns since I was about 8... I think I shot my first .20 ga at that age. God it kicked. It was a single shot break action.

I have shot many different things, animals and inanimate objects and i have probably used guns in an improper way before but I DO KNOW WHAT I AM DOING. Now for the average person to stick a shot gun barrell into their mouth without having checked it first themselves is stupid. I would however trust my father to unload a gun FOR me.

Now i hate to say it but that whole shotgun trick can be accomplished with a simple piece of 1 in PVC pipe purchased from Lowe's or Home Depot. If you really wanna feel like you're taking a hit out of a real shotgun barrell right Remington on it and go smoke another bowl. LOL...

Also many of the "accidental" shooting deaths that take place are in improper and totally WRONG hunting situations. Such as running deer and shooting TOWARDS another person. You might be surprised how many people do stupid shit like that.

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Could not have said it better! My lover is a veitnam vet and one did what one had to do to survive at the time. It's not like there was a head shop right around the corner. Their guns were their lovers, best friends and they took care of each other.:) :stoned:

Oh yeah, of course I know that. A statistic over a large medium is never entirely accurate. I was trying to disprove the theory that all 900 deaths in the United States due to accidental death by firearm had to do with the thought that the gun wasn't loaded. Tadaa went off on a tangent, and I felt the need to prove my sources.

Oh, and by the way, Tadaa, I spotted the idiot right away. It's always easy to tell who the idiot is, look for the one that has resorted to expletives and condescending statements. Thanks for showing everyone who the real idiot here is.

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Originally Posted by tadaa

And you wonder why there are so many accidental gun deaths. Those idiots shouldnt' even be called soldiers. It's poor handling and improper use of a firearm for no reason at all.

I mean honestly, how many idiots do you need in 1 room to come up with an idea that stupid. It's so stupid that 1 or 2 idiots couldn't even be that dumb. I guess that's why there's a group of them. I mean how does that even come about? "hey guys, I have a GREAT idea, lets put a shotgun in our mouths so we can smoke out of it".

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You must not know much about vietnam. Those guys were terrified and they needed to relax. They were constantly scared of viet cong popping out of trees and tunnels and shooting them. Also the fact that marijuana, hash, herion, opium and maybe a few others were VERY easy to get in Nam. I know people who have nightmares from being in that war.

hopefully weve heard the last of tadaa

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Originally Posted by Smokey McPot

You must not know much about vietnam. Those guys were terrified and they needed to relax. They were constantly scared of viet cong popping out of trees and tunnels and shooting them. Also the fact that marijuana, hash, herion, opium and maybe a few others were VERY easy to get in Nam. I know people who have nightmares from being in that war.

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My honey says right on dude but sorry no hash. He has nightmares too sometimes.:) :stoned: