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so why should I tolerate the beliefs of somebody telling me to bow down to the rules of a totalitarian dictator of the universe (God) who they can't even prove exists?
I never once told you anything like that. Please point out where I did? Do not push what others say to you as make it seem like I said it.
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So your open mind acknowledges that it just might be the case that all this faith stuff is bullshit? I highly doubt that.
Do NOT try and tell me what I think. You have no clue what is in my mind. I have accepted the Idea of no God. I know it is a possiblity. It is my opened mind that makes me able to see this.
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Quite the contrary. Look at all those people whose faith is so strong they go to faith healers instead of real doctors practicing science. That's really harmful. Look at the people whose faith is so strong they feel they have to crash airplanes into buildings to please their God. That's harmful. Religion isn't going to stop killing until we kill it.
When I posted what I said, I knew this would be mentioned. Ok, this is hard to explain and hard to understand. I am unable to answer to this because it is not my belief and I know little on this. I should have said faith in God doesn't hurt, not faith in church or religion.
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Also, why are you here? You seem far from spiritual.
Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Are you trying to stop us from having some kind of spiritual idea?
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Originally Posted by MudFu
I never once told you anything like that. Please point out where I did? Do not push what others say to you as make it seem like I said it.
That's what "God" means. "God" = "totalitarian dictator of the universe". He created it, he is responsible for everything inside it, and has absolute control over everything. Nothing would exist without him, therefore everything happens only because he lets it happen and makes it happen. Explain how that is any different from being the totalitarian dictator of the universe.
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Do NOT try and tell me what I think. You have no clue what is in my mind. I have accepted the Idea of no God. I know it is a possiblity. It is my opened mind that makes me able to see this.
So why do you pretend you believe in God, if you are, as you admit, really an agnostic?
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When I posted what I said, I knew this would be mentioned. Ok, this is hard to explain and hard to understand. I am unable to answer to this because it is not my belief and I know little on this. I should have said faith in God doesn't hurt, not faith in church or religion.
Faith in God certainly does hurt. Say, for example, I believe in God, and I am diagnosed with cancer. I believe God is a pretty decent guy, and I believe he is all-powerful, so I believe that if I ask him nicely he'll cure my cancer. No need to go to that doctor guy. I can just pray my illness away.
Or say I'm addicted to alcohol, and I believe in God. I join Alcoholics Anonymous, which tells me I need to ask God to get rid of my alcoholism for me. Since there is no God, but I think there is and expect him to fix my problems for me, I keep drinking. Now there are other, non-religious organizations out there which help people overcome alcoholism by encouraging them to take control of their own lives, and they've been quite successful, but AA has no better recovery rate than just trying to quit on your own (5%).
Or say a loved one close to me has died, and I believe in God. So I believe my loved one isn't really dead, but actually living in some afterlife parallel universe or something. I go to a psychic like John Edward to have him "talk" to my dead loved one for me. He does his little talking-to-the-dead trick and pisses all over the precious memories I had with some made up general statements of condolence that I think actually came from beyond the grave.
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Originally Posted by MudFu
Also, why are you here? You seem far from spiritual.
Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Are you trying to stop us from having some kind of spiritual idea?
I'm just trying to give my input into matters regarding religion, which I think are of the utmost importance since the institution of religion is terrorizing the planet and threatening to tear it apart.
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So why do you pretend you believe in God, if you are, as you admit, really an agnostic?
You have to read what I write not what you want to see. I said I accept the POSSIBILITY. I know it could be but I choose to not believe it. Stop twisting my words.
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Faith in God certainly does hurt. Say, for example, I believe in God, and I am diagnosed with cancer. I believe God is a pretty decent guy, and I believe he is all-powerful, so I believe that if I ask him nicely he'll cure my cancer. No need to go to that doctor guy. I can just pray my illness away.
Or say I'm addicted to alcohol, and I believe in God. I join Alcoholics Anonymous, which tells me I need to ask God to get rid of my alcoholism for me. Since there is no God, but I think there is and expect him to fix my problems for me, I keep drinking. Now there are other, non-religious organizations out there which help people overcome alcoholism by encouraging them to take control of their own lives, and they've been quite successful, but AA has no better recovery rate than just trying to quit on your own (5%).
Or say a loved one close to me has died, and I believe in God. So I believe my loved one isn't really dead, but actually living in some afterlife parallel universe or something. I go to a psychic like John Edward to have him "talk" to my dead loved one for me. He does his little talking-to-the-dead trick and pisses all over the precious memories I had with some made up general statements of condolence that I think actually came from beyond the grave.
Most of this has nothing to do with my beliefs so why are you ranting them to me. Try to keep on my beliefs when you try to disprove them.
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That's what "God" means. "God" = "totalitarian dictator of the universe". He created it, he is responsible for everything inside it, and has absolute control over everything. Nothing would exist without him, therefore everything happens only because he lets it happen and makes it happen. Explain how that is any different from being the totalitarian dictator of the universe.
God means many things to people. My mother sees God as a place in mind, my aunt sees God as a hope. God has no true meaning as your putting it.
And as for the "I never once told you anything like that. Please point out where I did? Do not push what others say to you as make it seem like I said it." I was refering to bowing down to God. I never said bow down to my lord or anything like that.
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I'm just trying to give my input into matters regarding religion, which I think are of the utmost importance since the institution of religion is terrorizing the planet and threatening to tear it apart.
So you do not have any spiritual beliefs, yet you come to a forum ment for people with spiritual idea. Seems like your trying to start a fight with people. Religion isn't want terrorizes the world, fighting over who's beliefs (on weither god exists or not, or whoever you believe in) are right. It has to do with religion but religion is not the cause.
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Originally Posted by MudFu
You have to read what I write not what you want to see. I said I accept the POSSIBILITY. I know it could be but I choose to not believe it. Stop twisting my words.
So you accept the possibility that there is no God, and yet you believe there's a God? How does that work?
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Most of this has nothing to do with my beliefs so why are you ranting them to me. Try to keep on my beliefs when you try to disprove them.
So you don't believe God cures the diseases of those who pray to him? What use is belief in God then? And what kind of asshole does that, turns down people he could heal in an instant who are begging for mercy?
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God means many things to people. My mother sees God as a place in mind, my aunt sees God as a hope. God has no true meaning as your putting it.
So if it's such a fuzzy concept that doesn't have any real concrete meaning, what's the point? That's one of the main reasons I don't believe in God: nobody can ever tell me just what the hell it is. A lot of times it seems saying "I don't believe in God" is like saying "I don't believe in snooglefrumps". It's just a meaningless word, except for those who actually set out a definition, which few people ever do because they're so easily demolished.
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And as for the "I never once told you anything like that. Please point out where I did? Do not push what others say to you as make it seem like I said it." I was refering to bowing down to God. I never said bow down to my lord or anything like that.
The very existence of a God means I have no control over my life, since God has absolute control over everything and already knows everything I'm going to do anyways. If there is a God, I have to bow down to it. I have no choice. I am powerless to change the future, since God knows it already. That's a pretty bleak worldview, and I resent the suggestion that I'm just a plaything in your God's toybox with no control whatsoever over my own life.
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So you accept the possibility that there is no God, and yet you believe there's a God? How does that work?
Its like...ok...this is a curde way of relating it but here goes. 1+1 is 2, but you can also say 1+1 is 11. I can accept the idea that it has to outcomes but I will always choose one outcome, the 2. Its the same as the possiblity of God or not. I can see both but I will always choose one. This may not make sence but its the best I can do.
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So you don't believe God cures the diseases of those who pray to him? What use is belief in God then? And what kind of asshole does that, turns down people he could heal in an instant who are begging for mercy?
I choose to believe that God wants us to advance ourselves. God do not want us to relie on the powers that God holds. God wants us to achive. This is my belief. Others will not agree but I'm not others.
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So if it's such a fuzzy concept that doesn't have any real concrete meaning, what's the point? That's one of the main reasons I don't believe in God: nobody can ever tell me just what the hell it is. A lot of times it seems saying "I don't believe in God" is like saying "I don't believe in snooglefrumps". It's just a meaningless word, except for those who actually set out a definition, which few people ever do because they're so easily demolished.
We still and may forever not understand God (keeping in mine that their could be). It will be something that can never be fully explained. Whats the point in anything? Many things, we as humans do, have no real point, but we still do them. The reason no one can tell you what God is, is that no one knows.
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The very existence of a God means I have no control over my life, since God has absolute control over everything and already knows everything I'm going to do anyways. If there is a God, I have to bow down to it. I have no choice. I am powerless to change the future, since God knows it already. That's a pretty bleak worldview, and I resent the suggestion that I'm just a plaything in your God's toybox with no control whatsoever over my own life.
You mean destiny. I do not believe we have a choosen path that we have to walk down. I also do not believe God can see what will be. You can choose your future, you do have free will, but once again this is how I see it. Unknown for sure but it is still my ideas. I can not prove it and you can not dismiss it. Someday, maybe, we will have the answers, but as for now we live and we hope for more. I am hoping for many things, love, accpence, peace, happiness for friends and family and everyone and I hope my children will live a good life.
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yeah, MudFu, god doesnt help us, in hopes that we will learn to help ourselves.
according to the bible, which i hate using as reference, we are created in god's image, so if that's the case, our lives must largly mirror god's own; awakening without knowing a thing-being born without any knowing outside your immediate perceptions
humans and god start the same, so why arent humans ending the same?
well for one, god is endless, so too must be humanity. but we are not, because we are weak minded, and die.
god isnt weak minded, god never died before (dispite nietchze [sp?] says god is dead :D), and god is omnipotent, yet humans refuse to believe they can be too, humans refuse to even try :(
not all, of course, but far too many to permit those of us who DO try from succeding.
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
Mellow Man, Moses DID NOT say an eye for an eye. And Christianity is very much the religion of PAUL, many experts believe that christianity has its present shape only because of Paul and his interpretations. In fact, Peter was initially against spreading Jesus' thoughts to non-Jews, because he felt that the Jewish background was essential.
Oh, and a note on Jesus' name, in Hebrew his name is Joshua, it's just that we kept the Latin form of his name because it's more identifiable...
All hail Joshua!
You see you come and pose your thoughts on the bible but yet you have no idea what the scriptures actually say!....................why debate about Christ or the scriptures when you don't even know whats in the good book,your coming to a a gun fight with a tooth pick?.................So allow me to drop the ball on you here......Look up EXODUS....author Moses!.....
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Take note of verse 24! lol.............then Jesus in Matthew actually picks out that part of the old testement and corrects it! and he points to the untruth of moses rather then moses himself,other words he corrects moses in a nice way!........................
read......Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.....
See the difference ! between Christ and Moses! moses spoke of rath and the law! Jesus spoke of nothing but Love!...............Jesus could have said you have heard ,or have read that moses says a eye for a eye,but he didn't he said you have heard it said!...........other words treating moses teaching as a false rumor! then he corrects the false truth!.............You should research the scriptures though before attempting to qoute or argue agaist a Christian.... us Christian actually read the bible!
