Jesus' Return

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(

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Originally Posted by magnusalex

the stealing of the amercias was not down to reliigon.
the stealing of lands was not down to religions.
the first and second world wars were not down to religion.
the 2 atomic bombs in japan were not due to religions.
vietnam war was not due to religion.
genghis khan was not religious, hitler, or stalin, or po pot, or mugabe, bonaparte, the roman empire, saddam hussein, mussolini, all the european monarchs who stole lands were not religious.
Violent offenders are not religious, rapists, murderers, but monarchs and govts, and deluded people twist reliigon to suit their own invading or terrorist wishes.
religions did not shape humanity, humanity shapad humanity. weve never known a time without wars, even when in the hunter gatherer stages we were murdering our ancestors.
religious people who stick to the basics and guidelines of their religion are pillars of society, it is non religious people who use and abuse people, religions or peoples vulnerability.
society is weak and without decent religious people it would be more weak.

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You don't understand my point: religion itself, independent of the people who practice it, is subversive.

The crusades were religious, the witch hunt was religious, Islamic terrorrism is religious, Jewish-Palestinian conflict is religious..

Wait a minute, did you say Hitler was not religiously motivated???? Are you from another planet? The core of Christian anti-semitism is that Christians believe Jews killed Jesus... If that's not religious, I don't know what is.

All the European monarchs? Ok, now I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The very concept of monarchy is intimately tied with religion. The Queen of England is still the head of the Church of England, in case you didn't know. All monarchs in Europe, some still to this day, represent God's will on Earth. That is at the core of European monarchy. Look it up.

You end by talking about hunters and gatherers fighting.... Sure they fought, and it probably wasn't in the name of religion. Now we have religion, and we're still fighting, just as hard, and probably even more cruelly. Is that progress to you? Even more senseless fighting on a huge scale, and that's how you defend religion?

YOU REPRESENT WHAT'S WRONG WITH RELIGION. You don't even think, you make no sense whatsoever, you don't use your supposedly God-given gift of REASON.

"Not their love of men but the impotence of their love of men keeps the Christians of today from--burning us."

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

"The devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God!'"

"Christianity gave Eros poison to drink: he did not die of it but degenrated--into a vice."

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Originally Posted by Euphoric

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(

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LOL, it was supposed to be a temporary fix, but who cares, MacG rocks!

That's a very German view. A neo-nazi view of God. I'd tell Fritz Nietzsche (or whatever his first name was) that his Mother was a gross question for his answer and the only way he can refute me is the same way that someone of Faith can refute him.

I don't know the guy. He'd have to prove to me that there is no God. Until then, I'll bury my head in memories.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

That's a very German view. A neo-nazi view of God. I'd tell Fritz Nietzsche (or whatever his first name was) that his Mother was a gross question for his answer and the only way he can refute me is the same way that someone of Faith can refute him.

I don't know the guy. He'd have to prove to me that there is no God. Until then, I'll bury my head in memories.

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Ummm... it can't be neo-nazi since he was around way before the nazis, and everything you heard about Nietzsche being loved by Nazis is false, he nothing but disdain for anti-semites.

And here we go again with the 'proof.' There is nothing to prove, because there is nothing there. How can you prove the existence of nothing when we already have such a hard time proving the existence of something?

Nothing out there = nothing to prove.

And his first name is Friederich.

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Originally Posted by Euphoric

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(

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I can't listen with all these "laugh-waves" flying through my brain-circuitry. :stoned:

I never used to watch MacGyver. After a few weeks of knowing who Flesh's avatar is, but not being able to put a finger on the name, I was flipping through the channels and saw him with that exact same shirt on sitting at a desk talking to a girl standing at the door while shuffling through paperwork with his hair set the exact same way as Flesh's avatar. I'm out of breath.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

And his first name is Fritz.

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I knew I had a good memory, thanks.

I've never heard of Franz Joseph Neiderschmonger Schmidt until I read his name off of these "stoner" boards. These forums can prompt investigations into anything, but I haven't bothered researching Friederich.

Don't you think God reads these forums? I'm sure He loves reading your posts.
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That proof thing is supposedly our job.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

I knew I had a good memory, thanks.

I've never heard of Franz Joseph Neiderschmonger Schmidt until I read his name off of these "stoner" boards. These forums can prompt investigations into anything, but I haven't bothered researching Friederich.

Don't you think God reads these forums? I'm sure He loves reading your posts.
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That proof thing is supposedly our job.

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See, I would think God had more important things to do... Like, whateverrrr.

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Originally Posted by weirdo79

once again double speak , and you cannot convey an idea without proper communication sorry , no matter how many times you insist this is it simply isnt. Once again you avoid confronting your own mistakes and try to blame someone else as not being able to understand....a sad cop out. Using a standard grade 11 english lesson (the scrambled sentence still easily read...yes everyone knows that Cambridge study.......) is still using recognized words just as you usually do in everyday life such as "pass me the salt"....it doesnt bolster your view at all. In fact it lessens your point.

the irony of saying "physical superstitions" alone is enough to dismiss the entire idea.....like those pesky things like Electricity , Gravity, any theory of physics....Sorry man your starting to sound more and more like someone desparetly trying to sound existentialist but somehow you just come off nonsensical. (there's a fine line between the two) . Omnipotence is disproved by its meaning....(try wikipedia.....). It's like saying "a red blue"......it just can't be by its very definition. I didnt miss any point there was none just you backpedalling faster than a fundie confronted with the atrocities of his beliefs. And , trying to shift the blame....

Just remember one thing , Philosphy means nothing , its pondering not assuredness....it's "why is this and why not that" not "this is how it is!"

All said and done I still enjoy your posts ;). No matter how much you defeat your own arguements in your own posts :).

p.s. I notice the suffixes and prefixes make a big difference (in your eyes) when your trying to prove a point then suddenly they mean nothing.....Wow! Says volumes my friend volumes....

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oy... what double speak?!?!? i fail to see what you fail to understand!

sad cop out? where? please, if you wish to point out my errs, you cannot simply say, you must show me what i said wrong, so that i may re word it in a fassion that you can understand and accept, untill then, stop picking apart everything i say with useless english rules.

just because you insert mental barriors that make it impossible for YOU to understand outside of the box thinking doesnt mean everyone else has to condition themsleves to YOUR level of misunderstanding.

i meant to say physical superstitions FOR the irony, it was a joke maybe i should start a color-key for my posting... put serious tidbits in black, jokes in blue, anger in red, etc... :rolleyes:

i dont recall shifting any blame :( it feels to me like you're just inserting random attacks on my thoughts! im SURE it isnt so, but please, prove to me that my assumptions are unfounded.

i still fail to see why omnipotency is impossible unto itself; my main arguement here is a closed mind does not disprove the existance of an open mind.

Sorry man if your offended its not meant that way , but seriously IF you cannot communicate clearly, your idea will never be represented truthfully. Is that simple enough for you. And , the very fact you see no doublespeak speaks true volumes as well. Failing to see exactly where your errors lie even though its clearly pointed out is just you refusing to see the forest of the trees.

You claiming that its all "OUR" fault when we dont understand you is the cop out my friend. It's that simple. If you cant see the glaring mistakes you constantly make I cannot make it any simpler for you to understand. Perhaps if you showed your posts to your english teacher he could point out where you slipped up more clearly than I could....

For instance WE dont understand you because of "OUR" mental barriers....come on....those "mental barriers" are there so we dont believe people who say things like "theres an invisible bridge over this gorge you just have to trust its there".....

Also there not "random attacks" its pointing out the fallacy of your reasoning (calling any of it logic is misrepresentative of logic as well , check out the definition of logic). Please no arguements about "what is a dictionary but a book of words" claptrap. ;).

Sorry I didnt detect your "irony" as physical superstitions are often blamed by you for people not "understanding" your "truth", so in essence that would not be irony (you saying that at all) just as Alanis Morrisette's song "Ironic" (the only thing ironic about that song is its about "irony" but has no irony in it.....)

Omnipotence is easily defined you either can't or you can, if you can't do both your not omnipotent since their both mutually exclusive omnipotence is impossible (like a red blue....) don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

Your main arguement has never been stated until now, see how easy it is to state your point in plain english instead of claiming "your truth is absolute".....and using attempted existentalist arguements to support such. If you cannot understand all this than simply there is no hope for you. I approach anything logical with an open mind , but believing in things with zero evidence is the realm of fantasy. Not an "open mind".


P.s (flesh love your avatar dont ever change it!!! ahhh now all we need is some a-team avatars!)