question about christian view of homosexuality

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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars

Whoa, let's back up for one second. There's a huge difference between human sexuality, and general knowledge. Boys and girls are the same until they are about hmm...I'd say 4-6, becauase that's when they start to realise there is a difference. That DOESN'T have to mean that they would be born emotionless robots! Our human sexuality doesn't kick in as an instinct until puberty! This is common sense people.

But anyway, think about people who "claim" to fall in love with animals. Do you think they're born this way? If not, than what would convince someone they had nothing but animals to be attracted to? Those people are very real btw

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That's all bullshit, I had a girlfriend the year before I started Kindergarten. She was a schooler. Smart girl.

They're born different.

I'm sorry, I was eating ice cream.

I was only kidding about gay babies drinking bottles.

I understand that coming into the world is a tough thing, and sex is the last thing on our mind. No matter what, their hypothalmus has a certain number of spots on it, women have more and men have very little. Well, in the 90's, they proved that homosexuals, and even bisexuals, have more spots than straight men.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

I understand that coming into the world is a tough thing, and sex is the last thing on our mind. No matter what, their hypothalmus has a certain number of spots on it, women have more and men have very little. Well, in the 90's, they proved that homosexuals, and even bisexuals, have more spots than straight men.

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I did a little research on that, and I think you should provide a link to back up your claim. What I read seemed a lot different. They said that gay men and women react differently than straight men to certain smells. Unfortunatly they have to use some evolutionairy grounds for something that could be as simple as the testosterone levels in gay men, compared to straight men.

I think it's legit because I learned that in psychology, that women have a hypothalamus 2x bigger than mens, and homosexual men have one about 90% the size of a womans, sometimes equal.

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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars

I did a little research on that, and I think you should provide a link to back up your claim.

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"Today, due to scientific advances, we have a better understanding of homosexuality. Because of new insight into the genes that determine sexual orientation some believe that homosexuality is a genetic trait. A National Cancer Institute researcher reported that many homosexual men appear to inherit a gene from their mothers that influences their sexual orientation.

"Research also shows that the genes are present within families and that relatives of homosexuals are more likely to be homosexual. Being gay is not simply a choice or purely a decision.

"There is a part of the gay community that fears that the discovery of a gay gene will be misconstrued as something that should be cured."

http://webpages.marshall.edu/%7Ewood...osexuality.htm

In the search for biological correlations with homosexuality, the hypothalamus, a small lobe that hangs down at the base of the brain has been found to play a significant role. There are two different areas of the hypothalamus that have been found in rats to correspond with male typical and female typical sexual behavior. For example, the medial preoptic area (more towards the front of the hypothalamus) seems to underlie many male sexual behaviors and sexual behaviors typical to females have been linked with the ventromedial nucleus (more towards the back of the hypothalamus). (A. Soulairac and M.L. Soulairac, 1956) Critics of these studies argue that the hypothalamus plays a very insignificant role in sexuality. When the medial preoptic area is decommissioned in male rats, they are still sexual beings. The express interest in female rats, but appear to be unable to express their interest. It doesn't seem to occur to these rats to mount the female. The case is somewhat similar with primates. Male rhesus monkeys will masturbate, showing an interest in pleasurable stimulation. However, having lost the medial preoptic area, they completely lose interest in femalesâ??seemingly forgetting that females can provide a means to the same end. (Slimp, Hart and Goy, 1978)

The hypothalamuses of mammals (rats, gerbils, macaque monkeys and others) have been found to be sexually dimorphic, more specifically in the medial preoptic area. The difference in size has been directly correlated with hormone levels in utero and directly following birth. If testosterone is given to a female rat just prior to and following birth, the size of the medial preoptic area of her hypothalamus will fall within the range of that found in non-treated male rats. (R.A. Gorski, J. H. Gordon, J. E. Shryne, and A. M. Southam, 1978) When female adult rats were given testosterone, there was no change in the size of this area of their brains.

This region is also different in humans, but the research involving hormone levels has not been done on humans (for obvious reasons). However, research, upon death, has delved into the sexually dimorphic regions of the brain. In 1980, Roger Gorski found that the interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH), numbers 2 and 3 (there are four of these nuclei, were sexually dimorphic. The size differential between males and females was most apparent in INAH 3. In males, this nucleus can be from two to three times larger than it is in females. This difference spans all age groups, meaning that the differentiation must occur at some time before birth.

http://www.goshen.edu/bio/Biol410/Sr...hristiana.html

(1) From Dr. Dean Hamer, the "gay gene" researcher, and himself a gay man:

"Genes are hardware...the data of life's experiences are processed through the sexual software into the circuits of identity. I suspect the sexual software is a mixture of both genes and environment, in much the same way the software of a computer is a mixture of what's installed at the factory and what's added by the user."

--P. Copeland and D. Hamer (1994) The Science of Desire. New York: Simon and Schuster.


(2) From psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover, M.D.:

"Like all complex behavioral and mental states, homosexuality is...neither exclusively biological nor exclusively psychological, but results from an as-yet-difficult-to-quantitate mixture of genetic factors, intrauterine influences...postnatal environment (such as parent, sibling and cultural behavior), and a complex series of repeatedly reinforced choices occurring at critical phases of development."

--J. Satinover, M.D., Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth (1996). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Q. When you refer to the â??gay gene theory,â?� what do you mean?

A. We refer to two ideas: one, that one gene has been found or will be found that controls the expression of homosexual (or heterosexual for that matter) attractions and two, that a gene or genes has been or will be found that directly determines the direction of oneâ??s sexual affections.

These temperamental traits will predispose children to prefer activities that are either gender conforming or gender non-conforming. Those children who prefer gender non-conforming activities develop feelings of difference from same sex peers and come to view those of the same sex as being other than them, akin to being the opposite sex.
http://www.drthrockmorton.com/article.asp?id=129

â?¢ The researchers found 3 locations in the genome where self-identified gay and bisexual brothers share DNA sequences between 8-12.5% greater than expected by chance.
â?¢ In one location, 7q36, the gene sharing was great enough to be considered suggestive that the DNA sequence might be close to a gene that controls or influences sexual orientation.