Dutch to ban burka.

Wonder if the Dutch will cave from the pressure and give in to the religon of peace. It seems like they are getting cold feet.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...827632,00.html

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Originally Posted by hempity

....i am in the world of the spirit more than i am here, upright, to remind me to stand straight and proud, to show children how a man stands.
can't see your expression nor your body language from here, and the things you say do scare me, but only with the amount of ignorance you defend.
not all predators are cowards, some are real hungry, all bullies are cowards, but that's just because they are afraid.
... i am not sorry for my problems, don't you be, they made me what i am, and i like that. i don't believe your old military any more than i believe you. i think you can beat a dog or man so many times for so many reasons, they either jump up and rip out your black heart, or lay down and die.

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I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

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Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, You still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making them dependant of the stuff.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

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Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, you still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making the Natives dependant of the stuff.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, you still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making the Natives dependant of the stuff.

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Well, I'm glad at least SOMEBODY agrees with me about this!

I know that some whites gave some Indians alcohol, which affected them badly. I was talking about today. They have a very bad problem, and the situation is different - which I am sure you acknowledge.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

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my mothers mother was haudenosaunee, my father and his father were doukhorbor (spirit wrestler) (freedomite, son of freedom) i am the son of a son of freedom and wrestle with the spirit daily.
i believe as with any children the natives were innocent until the washitsu came and raped their innocence
what horseshit, the natives used and lived on this earth for thousands of years, they know how to care for it even now, you guys just have to stop fucking raping it and give it back.
poor washitsu , your fathers brought the whiskey to the native so he would give them the land, now you have the land and are destroying it, stop, the natives will stop drinking and become the braves they really are.

Sorry another mistake... I'm wierd today :(

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Originally Posted by hempity

poor washitsu , your fathers brought the whiskey to the native so he would give them the land, now you have the land and are destroying it, stop, the natives will stop drinking and become the braves they really are.

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My â??Fathersâ?� did not give, or sell, alcohol to the Native Americans. It was illegal in New England. My 8th great grandfather was Isaac Chase (1660-1727), a Quaker who owned the first tavern in Marthaâ??s Vineyard. The law was spelled out very clearly, dated March 26. 1677-8, â??Isaack Chase of Holmses hole is admitted to keep a publike house of Entertainment & to sell liquor &c by Retail except to the Indians and this to continue for two years at ten shillings per annum.â?�
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2d.htm
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2b.htm

Another ancestor of mine owned a Tavern in colonial Nantucket. His name was Tristram Coffin (1605-1681), and he and his wife Dionis Stevens Coffin (1610 â?? 1690), were my 10th great grandparents. Dionis was in charge of brewing the beer, and she was summoned to appear in court in 1653 - not for selling liquor to the Indians, but for charging more than the law allowed for beer. The reason the beer cost more was because it was brewed stronger than average:

1653, Sep: Summoned before the magistrate for selling beer at her ordinary for 3 pence in violation of a law passed by the General Court in 1645, which yearly sets the price at 2 pence. She testified that she charged more because she made a heavier brew, making it with 6 bushels of malt to each hogshead instead of 4 bushels as the law stipulated, and that the General Court had allowed for that 2 years before. Samuel Moore testified in her behalf and the case was dismissed. Goodwife COFFIN is said to have remarked, "I'll have better beer than my neighbors and be paid for it. A fig for the law."

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Free the Springfield Two, Marge!

Free the Springfield Two!!!

-Homer Simpson

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Tits have caused more chaos than terrorism can shake a stick at.

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And women can hide ANYTHING in there!

:p






But if libertarian A'dam can turn fascist,

then some fascist places can turn libertarian....

;)

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

My â??Fathersâ?� did not give, or sell, alcohol to the Native Americans. It was illegal in New England. My 8th great grandfather was Isaac Chase (1660-1727), a Quaker who owned the first tavern in Marthaâ??s Vineyard. The law was spelled out very clearly, dated March 26. 1677-8, â??Isaack Chase of Holmses hole is admitted to keep a publike house of Entertainment & to sell liquor &c by Retail except to the Indians and this to continue for two years at ten shillings per annum.â?�
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2d.htm
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2b.htm

Another ancestor of mine owned a Tavern in colonial Nantucket. His name was Tristram Coffin (1605-1681), and he and his wife Dionis Stevens Coffin (1610 â?? 1690), were my 10th great grandparents. Dionis was in charge of brewing the beer, and she was summoned to appear in court in 1653 - not for selling liquor to the Indians, but for charging more than the law allowed for beer. The reason the beer cost more was because it was brewed stronger than average:

1653, Sep: Summoned before the magistrate for selling beer at her ordinary for 3 pence in violation of a law passed by the General Court in 1645, which yearly sets the price at 2 pence. She testified that she charged more because she made a heavier brew, making it with 6 bushels of malt to each hogshead instead of 4 bushels as the law stipulated, and that the General Court had allowed for that 2 years before. Samuel Moore testified in her behalf and the case was dismissed. Goodwife COFFIN is said to have remarked, "I'll have better beer than my neighbors and be paid for it. A fig for the law."

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so sad, you think that because your family only enjoyed the fruits of the land rape, that you bare no responsibility for it,
what toad shit.
listen washitsu, you and all your brethren are responsible for the rape and desecration of countless natives and their lands. now you rape and pillage more natives across the water for your ignorance and greed, you now slaughter babies for oil.