Do you believe in god?

They did it's called the new testament.

And the Book of Mormon.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Nope, I know love exists. Most of us have experienced love to some degree, myself included. But the word love is just used to describe a whole range of emotions, from sexual attraction and companionship, to friendship and family ties. Certain types of love have certain phsyiological symptons also, such as dilation of your pupils, etc...

Faith, however, is just a belief. If one person claims that something does exist and the another claims that it doesn't, the person making the claim cannot use faith as an argument or to throw extra weight behind his or her argument. Faith, to put it simply, is an emotion. Nothing more. There is nothing supernatural about faith; it is literally one person's opinion, one person's belief. Somebody with faith in a certain thing can not have an objective opinion, because faith is the belief in the illogical, the unproven.

Faith can not be argued against, it can not be countered. But that does not mean it is irrefutable. Quite the opposite. A person's faith can be used to discredit their own argument because their faith proves their lack of understanding, of willingness to base their opinion on fact and logic.

That's what I meant.

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Faith is not used to prove anything to anybody....it's not extra weight.

Love can also not be argued against or countered.

how does faith prove lack of understanding????? your using that prove word again.

Well take these lovely discussion we're having here... :p

You have one side saying "There is nothing that proves the existence of God, therefore, as far as we know, God doesn't exist". This is logical and makes all the sense in the world to me. Thn you have the other side saying "There is nothing that proves the existnce of God, but I have faith, therefore God does exist". This is completely illogical and makes no sense at all. Here faith is being used an argument for the existence of God. If the people saying this would just put their faith aside for a second and look at both sides of the argument equally they would come to the same conclusion as the first group of people, but they don't.

All faith is good for is making intelligent people look stupid.

Faith is, according to Webster's, firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Believing firmly in something for which there is no proof, like leprechauns, unicorns, perpetual motion machines, UFOs hiding behind comets, virgin births, or enslaved Jews in ancient Egypt, flies in the face of logic.

I am a Christian, and i would die for it. I am not brainwashed, crazy or stupid. I believe once Jesus is in your heart and you accept him, you just know hes watching over you and you are saved.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

All faith is good for is making intelligent people look stupid.

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I hope that wasn't directed at me.....
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To say that there is no evidence of the existence of God is not being quite fair.

Although we may disagree as to what constitutes evidence.

I believe I see overwhelming evidence everyday.

Ever hear of miracles....

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Originally Posted by sharpezor

I am a Christian, and i would die for it. I am not brainwashed, crazy or stupid. I believe once Jesus is in your heart and you accept him, you just know hes watching over you and you are saved.

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Funny, I could have sworn I heard the same thing about Allah. And he would be a better bet for me than Jesus anyhow, considering the Bible says I can't ever be saved since I've blasphemed against the Holy Ghost before.

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Originally Posted by Matthew 12:31-32

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Originally Posted by Mark 3:29

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

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Originally Posted by Luke 12:10

But unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

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Originally Posted by likemclever

I hope that wasn't directed at me.....
:rolleyes:

To say that there is no evidence of the existence of God is not being quite fair.

Although we may disagree as to what constitutes evidence.

I believe I see overwhelming evidence everyday.

Ever hear of miracles....

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Well no, it wasn't directed at you.. But I do find it strange and really frustrating how intelligent people such as yourself can believe in something that completely defies logic. But hey, to each his/her own.. :)

So what would you constitute as evidence?

evolution is proof enough 4 me..... + it just creeps me out 2 think that we are all imbread from just 2 people, but i dont see any problem with people believin in god if it makes their world easier 2 live in, its just not 4 me.