Bush and the hurricane

Ok Amsterdam. Show me some other polls that say that everyone is happy with what Bush is doing? Seriously, I have an open mind and I'd love to see them.

Also, everything I've heard about military recruiting is that it's way down. I did a quick look on google and found this http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ju...mili-j01.shtml Ok, I know, The World Socialist Website isn't exactly the best source. I'll give you that but please show me something that say's otherwise.

Seriously Amsterdam, I like to see all sides and would like to see something from your side too.

fox news??please.i am more a powerlineblog kind of guy.i dont watch television news.

why is it when people want to have an abortion they are consenting adults(i am pro choice) but when they volunteer and bravely fight a war they are all of a sudden children incapable of making a choice for themselves?too funny.get real.have you even been to the middle east?doubt it.ever seen people beaten for holding hands in public by people who enforce a distorted version of the great religon of Islam?doubt it.

i have to go to the sears tower for work sometimes,never been searched?wierd.

but hey,id be mad to if i hadnt seen much of the real world and the philosophies and ideals i believed in were laughed at by the majority in this great capitalist society!!

perhaps you should travel to China and live there for awhile,maybe with sean penn to Tehran so you can actually see what oppression really is.you "reporters" are a dime a dozen.worthless.

some intellectual you are.bow down.

Mike Jones, I really do not see how anyone can place blame on anyone for a hurricane. It is this help that I think was the real issue. That GW is not moving on this at all. As you lament, so is the issue, he is on vacation and maybe soon we shall hear? I think that sums up the initial post here. You do reflect what I found as most Americans.

May I ask you why you would find the need to help George Bush's reputation as a reason to help these people as sort of a basis?

You do represent what I know to be the middle of America Mike. And as such I would like to know why you think we cant change the foriegn policy or other policies that may prove to be negative in their producing anything of value? You were pretty adament in your belief the way it is stated there and it is something I would hope is not true. Knowing why you would think it cant change is important for me.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by mike jones

I would not consider myself a Bush supporter, but I definitely DO NOT think you can place any blame on him for this disaster. When a Cat. 5 hurricane alters its course and destroys an entire city in a matter of hours, I don't think anybody can be blamed for that.

However, I think this would be a wonderful opportunity for the government to look like heroes by stepping up in a time of extreme crisis and HELP THESE PEOPLE. I believe Bush was on vacation when the hurricane hit the US, and I have not heard much from him or about him during this disaster. In the upcoming weeks and months, I think Bush could come out of this as a real hero if the US government can find a way to help these survivors.

We can't change Bush's foreign policy, and we can't change what has already happened. But what we can try and change now is that there are now a few million more homeless people in this country. It doesn't look good for the gov't at all when troops aren't being brought into the South right now because the gov't is worried about people sitting on the roofs of their flooded houses firing at national guard troops and helicopters with handguns.

Bush is the face of the government and the face of the nation. If we can find a way as a country to get food, water, and shelter to these people, Bush is gonna look good. And if we can find a way to restore these peoples' lives (they have no money, homes, or jobs now,) well Bush is going to look really good. But if we start seeing corpses floating through flood water, Bush is going to look reeeeaaally bad.

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I was just going to say something like this when I read your post. Regardless of the fact that Bush can't be blamed for the tradedy, my guess is that this is really going to hurt Bush. This will show his true nature-that he really is a weak leader.

After 9/11 everyone loved Bush. Why? Because he went after the Taliban and Al Queada, those who were guilty. But really, what esle was he supposed to do? I can't believe Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan or any other President wouldn't have done the same. Well, maybe not Carter but that's a different story. Everyone, inclduing foriegn governments, supported it. Even China, who is very critical of our foriegn policy, and shares a border with Afghanistan, had little or no problem with the US taking them out. Why, because what Al Quaeda did was an act of war and our response was not only appropriate but obvious.

But this tragedy is different. While it may not have the psychological impact for all Americans that 9/11 had it is, in all actuality, far worse. It is not 2700+ people dead (although it may end up being more). But it is the hundreds of of those that are still alive whose lives have been destoyed. There is no clear enemy to point the finger at. No obvious response to this tragedy. This is where we need a real leader. And, this is where Bush will fail.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

fox news??please.i am more a powerlineblog kind of guy.i dont watch television news.

why is it when people want to have an abortion they are consenting adults(i am pro choice) but when they volunteer and bravely fight a war they are all of a sudden children incapable of making a choice for themselves?too funny.get real.have you even been to the middle east?doubt it.ever seen people beaten for holding hands in public by people who enforce a distorted version of the great religon of Islam?doubt it.

i have to go to the sears tower for work sometimes,never been searched?wierd.

but hey,id be mad to if i hadnt seen much of the real world and the philosophies and ideals i believed in were laughed at by the majority in this great capitalist society!!

perhaps you should travel to China and live there for awhile,maybe with sean penn to Tehran so you can actually see what oppression really is.you "reporters" are a dime a dozen.worthless.

some intellectual you are.bow down.

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As I said, you do not even have a clue whom you converse with. Been there, lived there, done that, wish you were there, too bad you were not born. Cant help you there. I can claim and document 102 countries 45 with lengthy stays and 7 years in the far east. I have no problems knowing most of China as I came in from the Gobi desert on the same route as Marco Polo. I did all his journeys. I have seen things you will never have opportunity. I saw the Buddha in Afghanistan. I was at Timor Lanes Tomb, climbed the steps in Lhasa and skated the Great Wall. Helicopter into the Gobi Desert and rode the Camels from Samarkand to Ulam Bator. I smoked hash in every country I went. I was in Moscow when the walls came down. I was in Iran when the Shah went down, I was in Afghanistan when the Russians came in, and I was in India and Nepal too many years to count on one hand.

the foreign policy we have is tough and it should stay that way.obviously the 90's were a cowardly cut and run decade(dont get me started on able danger blunder) THAT RESULTED IN MORE ATTACKS AND MORE TRAGEDY.so lets think,running from a fight(somalia,lebanon) dosent make them play nice and they continue to kill.sounds like a plan,lets do that.that isnt gonna happen buddy.the foreigners who infiltrate these countries like iraq and iran believe in a distorted view of Islam and are dedicated to spreading it throughout the world.they even tell you that.so they must be killed or captured.and we will take the lead in doing so,,and we will win.

taking the fight to the crazed finatics limits their capabilities and kills them.ive never heard of a dead man killing more innocent people.obviously these types of things are bolstering the moderate voices in these oppressive unelected regimes.Ukraine,Lebanon,Palestine,Egypt,Kuwait have also stepped up the freedom movement in their own countries.great if you dont like how we are doing this,but you damn sure cant say these are bad developments.do you really want to be on the wrong side of history again?im sure you supported a nuclear freeze during the cold war instead of taking the missles to the enemy of the time in the soviet union.wich toppled thanks to Reagens balls.

oh yea,confirm Judge Roberts.j/k lol

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

But this tragedy is different. While it may not have the psychological impact for all Americans that 9/11 had it is, in all actuality, far worse. It is not 2700+ people dead (although it may end up being more). But it is the hundreds of of those that are still alive whose lives have been destoyed. There is no clear enemy to point the finger at. No obvious response to this tragedy. This is where we need a real leader. And, this is where Bush will fail.

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That was beautiful man. A real work. I wont touch the 911 part because it is not for this thread. But you are really right on and if this thread went anywhere, this is it. WAY COOL.

I donâ??t mean that Bush may fail, but your analysis is fucking right on. Damn dude. I got these pictures online that are horrible. They show that whole city under water, like there is no coming back for months to this place. The work to clean up that area will make NYC look like a cakewalk. You are so right on there. Go to this site and take a look at the pics, I am not sure what the USA has for its people to digest but this is a spy site so it has some interesting things http://cryptome.org/ this guy is amazing at exposure and those pictures show what you are saying. It is horrifying.

There was a document somewhere about a similar flood before the government changed and the people did things for themselves. I have to dig it out and post it. But I hope the people take control and do it, this is not something a government can do, too much corruption. When I see these pictures even the Tsunami was nothing. New Orleans is wiped out basically. A whole US city. It is serious. So, this lament at the beginning, and here is all valid.

We can actually just hope that the people do it and get the credit. I am not really depressed. Shit, it is so sad. You are right, that is a lot of people out of homes for a long time. They are already saying at least 4 months before it can come back.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

perhaps you should travel to China and live there for awhile,

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Been there, done that. I've seen you say this before which is ironic because you have no fucking idea what it's really like in China. Like most Americans, you only know what our media has told you and, I assure you, that is far from the whole truth. Just more proof that you really don't have a clue.

really,i have been to China and seen the millions of homes the govt. there destroyed to make room for the olympics.where do they live now?its in those tents lining the streets in the area that looks like new orleans right now.

i dont think China is some crazed dictatorship like Iran OR North Korea.i dont sweat China,whatever for them.as long as they keep making my air max we are cool.lol

I knew you could not say it.