Bush's War on Pot

it was designed to lose the war in vietnam...it was meant to a protracted war...war is a business. how else would the military industrial complex get more and more and more power and funding.

kill zone by col. craig roberts is just one book about this...you should read it torog. i'd mail you a copy if you want.

not to mention, the gulf of tonkin never happened! the LBJ library released the phone recordings of LBJ. we attacked our own ship in order to start a war...

gee, where have we seen this happen before...

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Now I will tell you what happened to me.....

a week ago....2am there is this loud bagging on our front door....really loud like the door is coming off the hinges...

I yelled at my husband (who can sleep through anything) :rolleyes:
then he has to get his pants on...if it was a murderer I'd be dead already :rolleyes:
Anyway....he gets to the door and it is the POLICE...

they push their way in and as I am coming out of the bedroom they are shining light in my eyes and they are looking in every room of our house. Now keep in mind WE NEVER INVITED THEM IN.

THey were yelling that a 911 call had originated from our house.

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Stop right there. Did you ever consider seeking legal assistance? This was clearly an illegal entry and grounds for a lawsuit. The fact is that all 911 calls are documented and recorded, so if you were to issue a supena on the non-existent records the police would be screwed and forced to settle.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

In some areas this is true! I have actually talked personally to an ex CIA guy and he told me for fact that is the case in Columbia....they don't burn huge piles of weed like they show on TV just a small amount for show...the rest is sold right back to the drug dealers and put back into circulation....

Again the rich feeding off the poor.

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Now why would that seem shocking or be a surprise anyone? Like you said thereâ??s a war on drugs and military doctrine infers that to use the enemies resources to better enable completion of your own objectives while frustrating the enemies efforts to do the same.

As for the rich feeding off of the poor, well if by rich you mean the government then we are all victims of this injustice. (since Iâ??m anti-statist I agree, sort of)

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Originally Posted by pisshead

you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

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Elect new bosses you say? Somehow I doubt that alleviate the situation seeing as this is a two party system and those tyrants that think us undeserving of property rights wear black robes and are not elected by the people.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Well electoral process is the best way to fight it for now....if they try to pull that electronic voting crap again....we are just fucked.

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We children of liberty are doomed to become adults enjoying complicity with tyranny. Reasoning behind my assertion, see above + Iâ??ll start another thread later to discuss this in more detail.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

yes, voting on the local level is the key. national elections are staged...you'll always get an establishment candidate on both sides...so you get end up getting the same thing in the end anyway.

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The tyrants have spoken and they do not favor the local governments, so unfortunately such 'local' efforts are likely to be relatively fruitless especially when it comes to drug legalization.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Blue Cat,

I need and support medical mj and I don't like Bush's policy on it at all,but I didn't vote for Bush because of that..I voted for Bush because I knew that he would finally do something about saddam and sons..the safety of our nation..comes first..social engineering..after. That's the problem with the Left..they want to engage in social engineering..and national security comes last on their list of priorities.

We are at war and we need conservative mind-sets to git-r-done..after the grown-ups have secured our national security..maybe we can go back to dabbling in social engineering. I'm going to join the MPP here in Texas,and see if we can git HB 658 passed,the medical need defense bill.

Have a good one ....

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Torog after reading some of your posts on this site I have come to the conclusion that some of your confidence in the executive(Bush) is well, misplaced. Bushâ??s #1 priority should be to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America. Based on some proposals from the executive, such as, operation TIPS, and the Domestic Security Enhancement Act I think itâ??s safe to say Bush is not fulfilling his duties via acceptable means. My opinion being a bit harsh in this regard is that Bush is a vacuous leader blinded by the ideals of his own arguably righteous motives, and it is that blindness that makes him a man of diabolical means. The scary thing is we have had presidents who have acted in a similar manner before, and who are considered some of the greatest presidents we have ever had.

And it seems that now I have to go, but Iâ??ll bb to finish what I started, soon.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

It has been addressed to the President, congress, and senate, where have you been?

If we are going to win this war at home we will have to follow every politician and how they vote. If they voted against Medical MJ screw them their OUT.

Any supreme court Justice that votes conservative should be fair game.
People need to know how their state reps. are voting and if it is not on the agenda PUT IT THERE.

I guess you could say "Put your money where your joint is."

Whether you like it or not The present Government is against us...and getting people to vote them ALL out is my goal.
I can't acheive that goal if I have to continually bicker with narrow minded flag wavers that only support Bush because they are afraid a terrorist is going to get them..

You will have to choose sides you know...this will come to a head.

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she's right, psycho. fuck bleeding-heart med mj. its a right for ALL humans to enjoy. i have a canadian cannabis card, but i still smoke up because i enjoy smoking weed. the dea has no right to tell me i cant do that.

the big fucking dea. they dont worry about anything except snatching up some college kid walking home from a party, so they can go and eat their doughnuts and helped eradicate scum from the earth.

id love to see them try that shit in compton or some poor black/latino/chino/whatever ghetto. big fucking men. gimme a break. its all a sham.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Now I will tell you what happened to me.....

a week ago....2am there is this loud bagging on our front door....really loud like the door is coming off the hinges...

I yelled at my husband (who can sleep through anything) :rolleyes:
then he has to get his pants on...if it was a murderer I'd be dead already :rolleyes:
Anyway....he gets to the door and it is the POLICE...

they push their way in and as I am coming out of the bedroom they are shining light in my eyes and they are looking in every room of our house. Now keep in mind WE NEVER INVITED THEM IN.

THey were yelling that a 911 call had originated from our house.

So I immediately thought my youngest son might be hurt of something and headed for his room....the police in tow...
He was asleep and fine. He sleeps by a loud fan so he did not hear the police yelling but as I turned on the light he woke up.

The cops were saying they know a call came from our house. They went to all our phones...and starting pushing numbers and talking to someone....then they said Oh we are so sorry to wake you up... There must be a problem with our system, that happens. Then they left. WTF??!!
Now I know that is bullshit. I have NEVER heard of a 911 system problem like that before, HAVE YOU?

Now keep in mind I have never done anything wrong...no police record I have never even had a speeding or parking ticket nor has my husband...well he had a speeding ticket...but I have not EVER.

I think they were looking for a grow op or something because I am very out spoken about legalization of Weed...which I'm sure you have not noticed. :)

They looked in my hall closet for God's sake...why would they look in the closet? They assumed the 911 caller was hiding in there? Give me a break..

So as a warning to all growers evidently if the cops "think" a 911 call comes from your house they can march right in...
I guess it was our mistake opening the door but what are you suppose to do?

THIS IS WAR you better get ready.

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hell yeh this is some serious shit. im not interested in travelling to america to liberate pot smokers freedom, but if the government of my country came to my door talking shit about how theyre gonna take my weed, thats the day before you read a headline talking about how nicholas stanko died with a gun in his hands.


dont fuck with me, government gary. ill make hell seem like heaven while stoned

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Must be some gooood shit! :D

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jesus christ psycho, sometimes i think youre undercover dea or cia or some shit. you talk like a spook trying to get info on a grow op or somthin/

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:"As for you Torog.....you have just more tiresome *yawn* excuses for backing the asshole that is doing everything to CONTROL our rights.....
In your own words you said that you put your support for Bush over legalizing cannabis....

So IMO you don't belong here. Go light one up with the republican party. "

You got it wrong,maam...I support the safety of Americans and America,as a primary priority..I don't support everything that Bush does,especially with the drug war and the border situation,but at least he ain't sitting on his hands,when it comes to dealing with terrorism,like Clinton did.

There are more conservative,right-wing tokers in these here parts..than daggum left-wing tokers..to ignore that fact,is wrong and to deny ten's of thousands of redneck tokers like me from being a part of these sites and to deny them the chance to help with the legalization of marijuana,is even worse..shame on you ! Just because you hate,despise and loath,Southern stoners and Southerners of all stripes,doesn't mean that you have the right to exclude us from participation.

By all means,keep yer snobby,elitist self,way up north in Yankee land..the South will rise again !

Have a good one ...

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How far back does your brain go, torog? do you think radical islamic terrorists have been popping up only after clinto got into power? there was a president bush resideing before him. in fact i think it was the same one lording over the gulf war....hmmmm.....


bush sr. didnt bother getting rid of saddam, just gave him a spanking and left him alone. saddam got the message and kept to himself. years later, the time for the scapegoat to serve its purpose came, and we have yet another war.


yep...lets blame it all on clinton.... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by pisshead

we're on the verge of scrapping the constitution all together and exchanging it for a martial law dictatorship (tommy franks said that, too) to keep us safe from the evil freedom hating muslim terrorists...we've got to give up our rights to protect our rights!

double plus good!

weed should be the least of our worries. seriously though, all drugs should be legal, all of them. it probably will never happen...the feds mean business when they protect their drug cartels.

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total legalisation is the key. the feds know that. they invest BILLIONS into researching carefully thought out cause-and-effect reactions. they know exactly what to do to condition and train you into the right way of thinking.


how the fuck would drug cartels stay in business or make money to supply their criminal workforce if a pound of weed only costs five or ten dollars?


what do you think will happen when they finally push to ban abortion? we'll just have black market abortion clinics that endanger the lives of mothers and their children even further.


uncle sam doesnt give a fuck about you. wake up.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

it was designed to lose the war in vietnam...it was meant to a protracted war...war is a business. how else would the military industrial complex get more and more and more power and funding.

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You got it right, unlike most who I've conversed with in the past that think cannabis is illegal because of the 'moral majority', 'right-wing conpericy', 'fundmenatlist Christans' ect. The fact is that if drug legalization were with excessive haste the economic consequences would be prodigious to say the least. Just imagine how many people would find there carriers at an end. Tons of police, DEA, FBI, customs, and corrections officals would learn that their termination and the termination of the war on drugs are linked. Industries that supported government operations in the war on drugs would meet a fate similar to those who used to be responsible for fighting the war. When all the dust settled you'd probably have 100,000s of unemployed people looking for work. Lets not forget that some of our leaders love to point to drugs as the source of societies problems, but in many cases those problems are nothing more then the result of incompetent leadership.
This debauched and arguably dysfunctional system exemplifies some of the inherent flaws of statism. Initially statist operations like the war on drugs start off with the aim of correcting what are perceived to be real problems, and in some cases real problems are indeed solved. Unfortunately, archaic government agencies and policies, as well as many special interest groups and bureaucracies, always do whatever they can to find way to justify their continued existence. The people, who they were intended, serve usually start to suffer some degree of institutionalization , and thus find the prospect of removing them somewhat unattractive despite the fact that many of those same people realize, deep down, that theyâ??d be better off without them. (research how many people responded to the democratization of the former Soviet Union to get a better sense of what Iâ??m talking about, or if you want to understand it on a micro-scale research how some prisoners are afraid to leave prison after having been there for many years.)

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Originally Posted by Nicoli

You got it right, unlike most who I've conversed with in the past that think cannabis is illegal because of the 'moral majority', 'right-wing conpericy', 'fundmenatlist Christans' ect. The fact is that if drug legalization were with excessive haste the economic consequences would be prodigious to say the least. Just imagine how many people would find there carriers at an end. Tons of police, DEA, FBI, customs, and corrections officals would learn that their termination and the termination of the war on drugs are linked. Industries that supported government operations in the war on drugs would meet a fate similar to those who used to be responsible for fighting the war. When all the dust settled you'd probably have 100,000s of unemployed people looking for work. Lets not forget that some of our leaders love to point to drugs as the source of societies problems, but in many cases those problems are nothing more then the result of incompetent leadership.
This debauched and arguably dysfunctional system exemplifies some of the inherent flaws of statism. Initially statist operations like the war on drugs start off with the aim of correcting what are perceived to be real problems, and in some cases real problems are indeed solved. Unfortunately, archaic government agencies and policies, as well as many special interest groups and bureaucracies, always do whatever they can to find way to justify their continued existence. The people, who they were intended, serve usually start to suffer some degree of institutionalization , and thus find the prospect of removing them somewhat unattractive despite the fact that many of those same people realize, deep down, that theyâ??d be better off without them. (research how many people responded to the democratization of the former Soviet Union to get a better sense of what Iâ??m talking about, or if you want to understand it on a micro-scale research how some prisoners are afraid to leave prison after having been there for many years.)

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you got pretty much all of that right. I think that if weed and drugs were legalised you wouldnt have to get rid of the dea.

they could easily make it like the alcohol/tobacco task foce. Instead of having those guys fly in and shootup an innocent family, you could have them ensuring people dont go crazy. like enforcing a non-public consumption ban, or even going in and grabbing the occassional deadbeat dad who prostitutes his kids for a fix.

the government perpetrates an image of total social decline when in reality, if you take away the means of MAKING huge amounts of drug money and you leave people alone, most of them will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

jesus christ psycho, sometimes i think youre undercover dea or cia or some shit. you talk like a spook trying to get info on a grow op or somthin/

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Now this is how this started:

Originally Posted by pisshead
you're a slave, you have no right to property or privacy anymore. it's downhill from here, but it doesn't have to be. it's a covert coup on the republic, where we elect the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

or maybe i'm just really stoned.

My Response:

Must be some gooood shit!


Now I'm undercover CIA or DEA? Crack kills Nich. All your posts consist of the same crap: Fuck you, your an idiot, your DEA, your CIA, get a clue..BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....

It's going to be an absolute pleasure to have someone of your great intellect become a new U.S. citizen! :rolleyes:

Now slooooowww down and read the above post...IT WAS A JOKE...GET IT...HA, HA...nobody was trying to squash your poor little rights! :D