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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Politicians are assholes....

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That pretty well sums it up! Damn!!! We agree again? This is becoming a trend!!!LOL :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

You call that aid? I think I justified taking Saddam out already. Like I said before; Genocide on the Iraqi Kurds, Shi'ites, raping of school girls, paying families of martyrs. Oh yah, it wasn't sanctioned by the U.N. like Kosevo so we should have backed off and let France, Germany, Russia, and China reap rewards of dirty politics. Sorry about that! :rolleyes:

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Right, we can agree that Saddam is a bad leader, a despicable person even. (Just like our own leader, by the way. We need to stop pretending we have the answer to every oppressive regime. Half the time when we get out of a country a more oppressive leader is put in than before. Look at Chile or Nicaragua.) BUT, where do we get off terrorizing the Iraqi populace by bombing their water and power supplies for tolerating a bad leader? And why do any of the other countries with oppressive, malevolent regimes (Myanmar? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? Vietnam? Nepal? Where was the US army during apartheid?), not deserve the same fate?

If we want to instill democracy in the world, let's start by getting rid of our terrorist leaders here at home. Bush and the PNAC started this "War On Terrorism" knowing it could justify military intervention indefinitely, and that it doesn't even matter to the unthinking masses that WE OURSELVES are engaging in terrorism in the process. They're never going to declare the war over. Just like the War On Drugs, they know since what they're supposedly fighting is an abstract concept they will never have to stop the war by achieving victory, and they can use it as an excuse to accumulate more and more power and money as long as they want. They don't care about stopping the killing of innocent civilians. Otherwise, they wouldn't be dehumanizing and insulting the dead victims of American terrorism with the term "collateral damage". It's no coincidence Haliburton is making a fortune off this war, you know.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Right, we can agree that Saddam is a bad leader, a despicable person even. (Just like our own leader, by the way. We need to stop pretending we have the answer to every oppressive regime. Half the time when we get out of a country a more oppressive leader is put in than before. Look at Chile or Nicaragua.) BUT, where do we get off terrorizing the Iraqi populace by bombing their water and power supplies for tolerating a bad leader? And why do any of the other countries with oppressive, malevolent regimes (Myanmar? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? Vietnam? Nepal? Where was the US army during apartheid?), not deserve the same fate?

If we want to instill democracy in the world, let's start by getting rid of our terrorist leaders here at home. Bush and the PNAC started this "War On Terrorism" knowing it could justify military intervention indefinitely, and that it doesn't even matter to the unthinking masses that WE OURSELVES are engaging in terrorism in the process. They're never going to declare the war over. Just like the War On Drugs, they know since what they're supposedly fighting is an abstract concept they will never have to stop the war by achieving victory, and they can use it as an excuse to accumulate more and more power and money as long as they want. They don't care about stopping the killing of innocent civilians. Otherwise, they wouldn't be dehumanizing and insulting the dead victims of American terrorism with the term "collateral damage". It's no coincidence Haliburton is making a fortune off this war, you know.

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where do we get off terrorizing the Iraqi populace by bombing their water and power supplies for tolerating a bad leader?

You tolerate a cold, crying child, speeding ticket.... Having the threat of being put into a torture room and possibly watching your wife raped and children killed for speaking against the government is not tolerating a situation.

And why do any of the other countries with oppressive, malevolent regimes (Myanmar? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? Vietnam? Nepal?
Are they consistantly breaking U.N. resolutions? If so, maybe it's a future plan...I surely don't know. :confused:

Bush and the PNAC started this "War On Terrorism"

Don't tell me your one of the believers that the WTC was brought down by our own. I think Osama had a big part of this war on terror.

they wouldn't be dehumanizing and insulting the dead victims of American terrorism with the term "collateral damage".

Number one, war is hell. Innocent people die, expecially when used for human shields. Number two, why is this "American Terrorism"? Heres a list of the first allied forces:
USA, United Kingdom, South Korea, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania, Australia, Netherlands, Japan, Denmark, Bulgaria, El Salvador, Mongolia, Azerbaijan, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Albania, Estonia,Macedonia, Kazakhstan, Norway, Angola, Colombia, Costa Rica,Dominican Republic, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Kuwait, Micronesia, Moldova, Nicaragua, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Spain, Thailand, Tonga, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.

Haliburton is making a fortune off this war,
Right along with every oil producing nation in this world that used the war to jack the price of oil from $26/bl to over $60/bl.

keep in mind erminito also thinks he can just pack up and move to holland because he wants too.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

keep in mind erminito also thinks he can just pack up and move to holland because he wants too.

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lol.

why cant he though.

its kinda strict.

oh. yeh i can imagine. all that "legal" pot...

no,it really is strict now.

people just cant move to the netherlands,they must have a college degree in a buisness that benefits the dutch people and a job to go with it.

a person cannot just say i want to live in holland because i like the laws there.they would be laughed at and told to go home.you can travel and stay there for awhile but you cant just move there.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

people just cant move to the netherlands,they must have a college degree in a buisness that benefits the dutch people and a job to go with it.

a person cannot just say i want to live in holland because i like the laws there.they would be laughed at and told to go home.you can travel and stay there for awhile but you cant just move there.

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I think that's pretty much alot of countries. at least i know thats how it is in canada except if your seeking refugee status or something...