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THere will always be corruption...just read the BCCI affair....the concept of the UN is needed...it is suppose to stop countries from repeating the holocaust. It is a way for all counties to take part in the peace process. Anytime there is that many countires and that many individuals involved there will be corruption that is no reason to write off the UN all together, no more than you write off the entire US constitution because of the faults of a few governmental hacks.
So the insurgents would leave if we did? More Iraqi women and children are killed by insurgents bombs than U.S. personnel. Maybe thats why Moslems throughout the middle east are denouncing the current so called Jihad.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
As for the oil. I guess GW owns the Canadian oil firm that was just awarded exploration rights in Northern Iraq. And who is the Minister of Oil for Iraq right now...the same dude that Jordan and the U.S. would like to find under a rock. Sounds like Iraq is running their own show.
I stopped trusting American media coverage of the War in Iraq at about the same time I heard them use the phrase "precision-guided cluster bombs". Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Peace and love, and failing that tolerance.
What does saying Bush does not have Canadian oil stock prove? It only reinforces the fact that big oil has moved in and they are dividing up Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
as far as the Minister of oil..this position changes so much last I checked it was Ibrahim Bahr al-Uloum Most in Baghdad fear Uloum will support the early privatisation of Iraq's huge oil reserves to US and other foreign oil companies. He attended pre-war meetings of the US State Department's future of Iraq project which recommended foreign firms be invited to develop the fuel..
so whats your point?
Now Bush may have Canadian oil stock. Kind of grasping for straws aren't we? And the last I heard Ahmad Chalabi was Minister of Oil. Now tell me, whats the difference if post war Iraq has U.S. and Canadian oil firms as to the pre-war where it was French and Russian. MAYBE thats why the U.N. couldn't see its way to appoving the invasion. Can't be! The U.S. is the only oil pirate in the world with self interests prevailing. Frenchies and Ruskies wouldn't NEVER be involved in dirty dealings!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
My point? Nicholass...stated"i highly doubt that insurgents hate america so much that they would continue to suicide bomb people even with no u.s. forces occupying the country. oh but i forgot! war's pretty expensive so i guess those oil pipelines will just have to do. and by golly isnt it a great coincidence that the man leading the invasion forces owns oil companies as well?" Point stated. :D
Grasping at straws? You brought up Canadian oil...I said it does not really have anything to do with what we are talking about so again ????? No one said he had any stock..and NO you are wrong AGAIN Ahmad Chalabi was the oil prime M he stepped down it is Uloum the position changes all the time and is of little importance none of that matters...it makes no difference what country is dividing up Iraq the point is it is being done at the cost of American lives.
That was a prett listless and jejune retort. What's wrong Psycho4bud? You're argeuments just keep getting weaker. Cmon man, let's actually PROGRESS with these discussions. You and I both know that britain isnt withdrawing because everything's peachy keen. it's because their people are one of the biggest opposers of this war and the blair administration cant keep up with it after barely winning the election. I'd love to see your reaction if you had to pray every night in the hopes that you could at least wake up the next morning alive. i'd also love to see your reaction if you had to choose between unknown occupying forces that would gladly shoot you like a dog if it meant making sure you didnt have a bomb or your neighbours and friends that youve known since childhood that are somehow supposed to be the "enemy". I just LOVE your rationale of what freedom is. Real glad people like you are on my side when it comes time to advocate why people smoking pot are so wonderful and abhor violence and ignorance. why dont you just stop wasting time and snort up some coke with your pal ol' Dubya.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Right. So because those other countries would probably do it or have done it in the past, it makes perfect sense to do it too. The sandbox mentality really must be your strongest personality trait. You must be a real lady-killer. Probably not, but at least we know you support other people that kill ladies. Do you actually smoke weed before you post or do you forget to toke up until AFTER you make yourself look like a dolt?
We are not occupying forces. At any time the Iraqi Gov. could say goodbye and we would leave. Hell, they just requested through your precious U.N. that the U.S. and Britian remain longer than initially intended. THEY REQUESTED IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
If my neighbors and friends were blowing up my kids with a strap on bomb damn right they would be my enemy fast!
If Dubya offered a line...hell, most of the people on this board would probably say thank you very much...why should I tell ol' boy no?
As for toking....I've been tokin' for the last 30 years and like all races, creeds, etc....we have our assholes too. Ain't that right..nicholasstanko. :D
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
Now I support lady killers because I support our troops and policies in Iraq? Thank you for that one! And I'm the dolt? When a peson is cornered, human instict is to lash out....you insult me...people go to war...the only difference between you and hostile countries is that they don't have the privilage of lashing out crap across a monitor where it is nice and safe to hide. Now what makes you the great humanitarian....seems to me your on the same wave length as most of our leaders.