so whats wrong with being a liberal?
it's funny...but when it comes to gun control, it should make people realize that the smaller government you have, the less unconstitutional laws you have, the better things get! go figure.
* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission . . . without paying a fee . . . or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the unionâ??having three times received the "Safest State Award."31
* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rate in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.32 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year periodâ??thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.33
* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.
i bet if you didn't even need permits for conceal carry, it would result in even less crime, or at least be the same.
compare that cities that have the strictest gun control laws...at least in the US, the result is obvious.
it's the same with all prohibition. it's not done because the government loves you, it creates a new, profitable market if you control the system.
the drug war is a good example. the feds create the drug war, then get into the drug business and protect their industry. we have only more drugs after the drug war, just like every other war...war on terror, war on illiteracy...they're designed to fail and create the need for a federal takeover.
the same families that own and control the banks and the prisons and the shipping companies and other giant industries profit from every plank of their corrupt system. we lose jobs to prisoners making .20 cents an hour, in jail because of the drug war and three strikes bullshit.
india and mexico and china lose jobs to people in prison.
things need to stop now before this country is broken up completely and we have UN and foreign troops running around 'peacekeeping'...
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
ppl need to stop asking whats wrong and ask WHATS RIGHT
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
You don't have to read it
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
I agree with smokey, take this to the politic forum... this never get anywhere, always degenrates to name-calling. Thanks for attracting all the crazies to the general forum Blue Cat *rolls eyes*
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
attracting all the crazies? you were here before i was and started this apparent name calling. i didn't even call anyone a name.
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
you might be a democrat if:
-you cant talk about foreign policy without using the word conspiracy.
-you think solar energy is being held back by those greedy oil companies.
-your high school year book goals included the words "help people"
-you actually expect to collect social security.
-you would rather own birkenstock rather than Merck stock
-you think the flat tax should be at 95%
-you admire the swedish welfare system
-you trust ted kennedy when he says she was driving
-you have ever said "we should really call the aclu about this."
-you keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category
-you believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career,but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.
-you think the free market is where they hand out govt. cheese.
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
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you might be a democrat if:
-you cant talk about foreign policy without using the word conspiracy.
-you think solar energy is being held back by those greedy oil companies.
-your high school year book goals included the words "help people"
-you actually expect to collect social security.
-you would rather own birkenstock rather than Merck stock
-you think the flat tax should be at 95%
-you admire the swedish welfare system
-you trust ted kennedy when he says she was driving
-you have ever said "we should really call the aclu about this."
-you keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category
-you believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career,but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.
-you think the free market is where they hand out govt. cheese.
Ain't that the truth.... you forgot "jumps with glee every time a terrorist bombs Israel", can't forget that one. Also, "incredibly naive about the possibility of a WMD attack".
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
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* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every yearâ??or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2
Why do you not understand? If a criminal attacks you with a gun, they clearly have the upped hand. You don't expect to be attacked right then, so you aren't ready to fight straight away are you. They are, because they know what they're doing.
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* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"â??a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3
No mention of how successful their attempts at self-defence are...
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* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. Thatâ??s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6
That's ridiculous... that means nothing. ONE child getting killed at school by a gun is too many. Just because a load more kids die from playing sport (for some reason) it doesn't mean that 22 deaths is ok.
I admit that guns aren't totally the problem. Unfortunately, it is the people. American people are, generally, far too paranoid and ignorant, and pay far too much attention to the media. Look at other countries, Britain is very similar to America is many ways, yet our murder rate is so much lower. We have almost no guns here, even the police can work safely without guns.
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like i said wierd,i lived in holland for two years and traveled all over including beirut,saudi arabia and morocco and never saw much drama.im sure you would find it hard to believe but most of the young people in the middle east support bush secretly.they hate the mullahs?as for europe,dont overexagerate,it aint as bad as you say it is.i am no untraveled american and have seen what it is like.it is nothing.
Right, so you, having been to Europe once or twice, know more about the situation here than we do? I don't know a single person in this country that has anything but contempt for America.
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
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Why do you not understand? If a criminal attacks you with a gun, they clearly have the upped hand. You don't expect to be attacked right then, so you aren't ready to fight straight away are you. They are, because they know what they're doing.
No mention of how successful their attempts at self-defence are...
That's ridiculous... that means nothing. ONE child getting killed at school by a gun is too many. Just because a load more kids die from playing sport (for some reason) it doesn't mean that 22 deaths is ok.
I admit that guns aren't totally the problem. Unfortunately, it is the people. American people are, generally, far too paranoid and ignorant, and pay far too much attention to the media. Look at other countries, Britain is very similar to America is many ways, yet our murder rate is so much lower. We have almost no guns here, even the police can work safely without guns.
Right, so you, having been to Europe once or twice, know more about the situation here than we do? I don't know a single person in this country that has anything but contempt for America.
where have you been in the states?
so whats wrong with being a liberal?
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* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission . . . without paying a fee . . . or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the unionâ??having three times received the "Safest State Award."31...
Vermont's not exactly the best example Pisshead. I've been to Vermont, it aint exactly a tough place. The last I heard there wasn't a lot of turf wars between Bed & Breakfast owners.
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* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rate in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.32 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year periodâ??thus putting the Florida rate below the national average.33 ...
Your assuming a cause and effect relationship between the concealed carry law and a drop in crime. Violent crime has pretty much dropped everywhere, not just in places that have concealed carry laws. Maybe people are just starting to use common sense. Or, maybe the violent criminals have just been killing each other off with their legally obtained guns making it safer for the rest of us.
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* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder. ...
Most likely the people who would care about a concealed carry law are not the ones committing crimes. I seriously doubt that someone would go out to rob a bank but leave their gun at home because it was against the law to carry a gun. Besides, ther's a lot of gators in Florida
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i bet if you didn't even need permits for conceal carry, it would result in even less crime, or at least be the same.
compare that cities that have the strictest gun control laws...at least in the US, the result is obvious....
again, your assuming a cause & effect relationship that does not neccessarily exist
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it's the same with all prohibition. it's not done because the government loves you, it creates a new, profitable market if you control the system.
huh?
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the same families that own and control the banks and the prisons and the shipping companies and other giant industries profit from every plank of their corrupt system. we lose jobs to prisoners making .20 cents an hour, in jail because of the drug war and three strikes bullshit..
Most people who complain about losing jobs to so and so have little knowledge of economics. Many of these jobs are the shit jobs that no one would want to do. If they were not given to people willing, or forced, to work for a low wage they would have to be done by people who would demand a higher pay. This results in rise in price of the the product or service being produced. Soon, the people doing that work can no longer afford the product or service so they demand higher pay. Once again the prices then go up and so on and so on.
Regarding three strikes, how is this bullshit? Should violent criminals be given unlimited chances to go out and harm others? What about the little girl would would still be alive if the three strikes law had been in place several years earlier? I guess she is less important than the rights of a sick twisted child molester. Right?
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india and mexico and china lose jobs to people in prison.
economics
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things need to stop now before this country is broken up completely and we have UN and foreign troops running around 'peacekeeping'...
Dude, do you live on a farm surrounded by barb wire out in the middle of Idaho? I think you need to lay off the herb for a while. You're getting way to paranoid.
