10 reasons to vote NO on prop #19

the only actual tax in the prop is in the title. :jointsmile: i think some people might be confusing this with the cali congress' version which was all about the taxes and would have been mandatory state wide, but this is just in the title to get some people to vote for it. any actual tax could only be put it place by the counties but ONLY on non medical retail sales, if they legalize that in that county. sounds like a decent compromise to me. it gives all the power to the local communities to decide. :twocents:

and of course, the people can always go to their local city council meetings and demand non medical sales with no taxes. it is still a gov't of the people for the most part at the local level.

but, as was said earlier, I also appreciate all the discussion here on both sides. we still have a few months to decide so its great to get all the facts on the table here. :greenthumb:

alright one more comment and then I'm off to work. :jointsmile:

I'm not really seeing the benefit of voting no on the promise that something better could be coming in a few years. its really not an either or decision. you can vote yes on this, see it put into production and then still work hard on the next voter sponsored initiative that might improve this one. Its not like you only get one chance at this.

plus, having this as law and showing everyone look we went this far and the sky did not fall, why not go even further next time. it could only help your case. :twocents:

okay, time to go to work. :( :jointsmile:

you avatar pic is cool where was that at did you take it yourself..

^ thanks man, no I didn't take it myself I snagged it off the internet somewhere. my apologies to ever I borrowed it from. :) I really liked it too, it looks like he's looking over some trees or something saying wassssup?? :jointsmile:

Another thing I've found flawed with "legalizing" weed under prop 19 is that it doesn't make seeds legal( if it does say that, I haven't found it yet and stand corrected).

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Originally Posted by VapedG13

10. The federal government has decided to not prosecute medical cannabis users. This will not be the case if Prop 19 passes. Many people believe that the passage of Prop 19 will bring an aggressive response from the feds, perhaps putting medical users at risk of losing access to medicine

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ive spoken in LENGTH with the props author and medical patients are 100% EXEMPT in every respect. i even got it ON TAPE for the record.

the main 100% #1 reason most growers DONT want prop 19 to pass is nothing more than their profit margins will fall thru the floor. whos gona want to buy marijuana for $2500 a lb when they can grow it for PENNIES on the dollar?

thats the only reason.

by the by, you no-prop 19 guys can pretty much forget it. its going to pass, period. how do i know? well, almost every single county in california sofar has had meetings on how they are going to spend their "marijuana tax money", with alot of them already drawing up plans, and setting plots aside in the cities and counties to grow. california polls right now still show almost 60% of caloifornians are FOR legalization, so the antis can screm, shout, stamp their feet and cry boohoo because its gonna pass. some counties like shasta are already overlooking non-medical users as they are that sure its going to pass and they dont want to waste time and resources on charges that will most likely be thrown out anyway.

^ full discloser, I totally support prop 19 but Vap does make a legit point, will the Obama admin reverse their stand on med use if Cali legalizes non medical sales? Will they dust off and send out the herb gestapo again??

My guess is no, it seems he's cool with herb but more comfortable with letting the States take the action while he continues stay out of it but I do agree it is kind of a grey area still. Congress really needs to put this into law. A simple bill that reaffirms the right of States to decide these matter that trumps the CSA is what is needed right now.

This Prop is very explicit about not having any negative effect on med use but those are State laws, the federal response is really kind of an unknown I would guess. But, I don't live out there anymore so other may know more. I really can't see them reversing their stand on med use but they may go after non med sales. time will tell I guess.

I say go for it. :jointsmile: Obama needs California, he is not going to go against the will of the voters, unlike shrub, who never had a prayer of winning there. Clinton did but he seemed to be in bed with the prohibs. :wtf:

I've written up my take on this for the Huffington Post.
Heather Donahue: The New Marijuana Middle Class

There are options to the "Walmartization" of weed. There needs to be more conversation about this in mainstream forums. Have a read and tell me what you think!

^ just courious, does anyone think there will actually be any retail over the counter sales outside of Oakland? it seems like they have the local politics on their side that might allow it but are they the only ones? $100/oz bud is going take huge volume to pull off, like industrial warehouse size production. Is that going to happen anywhere else but Oakland? I really don't know just courious what the local out there think.

If Oakland is the only one able to pull it off it seems to me that the price won't really affect the rest of California unless people drive from all over the State to buy their bud. Most people probably wouldn't see much of a change in pricing in their area.

But just putting the sales part into the law seems like a good idea to me, especially if you end up with a hostile governor and/or AG. They would have a hard time cracking down on retail sales if the people had just recently reaffirmed their right to do so, as Prop 19 does. :twocents:

Actually there's a sad way. What if someone import Mexican dirt brick weed (might be at an even cheaper price if prop19 passed) and then spay them with Bonsai Fertilizer (JWH-018). People whom smok'em probably won't know the difference, soon they would develop cancer and the people who were against marijuana would get their victory round.