I didn't think I used any personal insults... could you tell me why my message was removed?
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I didn't think I used any personal insults... could you tell me why my message was removed?
For quoting Turbo's post, which was a personal attack on me and was removed by the mods?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Sigh... was looking forward to his response.
When you call a grower a "commercial grower" it's an insult. It's basically like telling them they dont care about their product and they just grow for quantity.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Just my :twocents:
People need to realize that you are just using a different word than you, it's not an insult. If you don't want people to use that word to describe you, then request them to say it differently. It's wrong to judge them if they don't know they are offending you. Plus, aren't 'commercial growers' assumed to be compliant with state law, while 'growers' can be assumed to be breaking the law, and nothing more than drug traffickers, no better than someone operating a meth lab?Quote:
Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
That's the whole stigma with this new legislation, is that the people who paid to play, started commercial grows and are compliant with state law, are now somehow the bad guys who don't care.
It's an absurd position to take, one that people who don't have intimate knowledge question the industry as a whole. I feel that if the antiMMC people realized that their criticism hurts themselves as much or more as those they hate.
i edited your response because I don't want my post to be deleted like yours will. Please remain civil.
I've already stated that I don't know anyone at releaf. I live south.
In my opinion, people who are no longer compliant with state law, the 'caregivers' or large scale home grows or whatever name you want them to have, are going to be treated in the same way as meth lab operators, with good reason. If you aren't willing to remain compliant with state law, then you are breaking the law. The law recognizes caregivers, and large scale home grows are no longer recognized as caregivers.
Go ahead and stop referring to yourselves as such, because in the eyes of the law, you are no better than a meth addict operating a lab. I agree with your position that pot should be legal, but you need to recognize that pot isn't legal, and that's what we have to consider moving forward.
Think about it like this. The guy in highlands ranch, who was obviously non compliant, is getting treated like someone who operated a meth lab, probably worse. That's my point. Get insulted all you want, but most of you guys who have been growing privately didn't get compliant, so you are back to being illegal. That's what you all are mad about.
In my opinion, there is absolutely top quality herb at MMC's. I think your opinion that MMC's can't have quality meds is weird. Do you seriously take the position that MMC's can't possibly carry good product? Don't you realize that some of your caregiver buddies signed on with MMC's?
What is your position on caregivers who married up to MMC's? Do they automatically go from growing 'fire' to growing 'cali dispensary bud'?
Do you understand that california is a non-profit collective design? Why would quality be high if there is no profit motive? Do you see why our state's for profit rules create the incentive for top quality?
I hope this isn't considered personal, it's not.
Reguardless of what you state it is obvious you have intrestsQuote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
No what we are mad about is having to drop patients. Why? Because these patients are going to have to find ANOTHER COMPLIANT caregiver or go get crappy meds from a dispensary.
Consider this... Good caregivers we're never out to make a killing off their patients, usually giving away meds. Making enough to get by but not making a killing like most of the "drug dealers" gone center. You are assuming that all dealers are undergound still. LOL I know a couple in the springs alone that have turned into dispensaries. But, they don't know the first thing about growing. They were "dealers". I've only lived in CO for 5 years I'm sure some of the lifers know of more.
The way you are trying paint caregivers as all the drug dealers is false. Alot of the dealers moved on to dispensaries because they had the $$
Not all drug dealers have fellonies you know! :D
I have been fully outspoken about my use, my history, etc. I am not scared to post my name or anything like that.
My only agenda is getting access to quality, affordable medicine. That's it.
You, however, seem to have another agenda entirely. Why don't you disclose your biases before you insult others or call them names.
This is my point. Non compliant caregivers aren't going away, they are going back under ground.
If you wanted to pay the money, you non-compliant caregivers could get legal. You chose not to, and now you are operating outside the law. This is something that I'm certain you all don't like, and it's easy to 'blame' and attack MMC's, I guess everyone needs an enemy.
I'm just trying to point out that hating or directing your vitriol at MMC's is wrong, and in my opinion, it's totally ignorant for someone to say that MMC's don't carry quality meds, because most do. Your biased make you hate MMC's, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you should at least announce your biases and not play behind your anonymous internet account. MMC's put themselves out there, you non-compliant home growers refuse to come out of the shadows, and now you get to deal with those repercussions with 1284 and 109.
Get yourselves motivated to have fresh legislation that removes the 5 patient limit, and everyone is happy. But you all are going to be the ones to do it, and you're facing a tough battle. Your energy should be directed somewhere other than MMC's.
My opinion.
Actually now you are spinning what you said... You said...Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
Is it not true that commercial growers have to follow the same rules as far as counts other than the 5 patient rule? Why would you automatically assume that they are compliant and that a caregiver/grower is not?? What if the center has more plants than they are supposed to?Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
To answer your questions about me..
I'm fully compliant.
I don't feel that leo will treat non compliant caregivers any different than non compliant dispensaries. I also don't feel they will treat either anywhere near to how they would treat a meth lab. I feel that was just a rediculous assumption by you to try to make caregiver/growers look like the bad guy.
Do you think for a second that they are not going to be visiting registered caregivers houses?
Would you mind taking two minutes to stop trolling and post a coherent response? I mean obviously you disagree, and you understand that I'm trying to play devil's advocate, so you obviously know this isn't my mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
And yes, in the eyes of the law, non-compliant caregivers will be treated like meth labs. I use the highlands ranch guy as a specific example. Do you have a response to that?
Would you care to stop trolling long enough to add something to the discussion?