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Originally Posted by puntacometa
So if I'm sitting on 100 growing plants when the new law goes into effect and I don't have an affiliation with a "center", approximately how far out in the wind is my ass while I sit back and let the smoke clear?
Can these dispensaries even buy my product if it was growing during the hiatus between July 1 and the time I affiliate with a "center"? What is the status of my crop after July 1 if I'm not affiliated with a dispensary? Seems to me that since the caregiver model for over 5 patients is gone, I'm going to have 70+ plants being grown illegally after July 1 if I don't have my ducks in a row.
Also, the price per oz may rise, but I think we all know how much of that price will go into the pocket of the grower. I had a dispensary offer me a $2500.00 contract last year so that they could "reduce the prices to their patients". Total bullshit. They didn't reduce their prices at all. They just screwed the growers who signed up.
First of all I wouldn't be sitting on 100 plants---you're in DEA territory there--and if you got busted no amount of 1284 is going to keep you out of jail. When you go to a federal court--in defense--you can't even mention you were growing for medical marijuana patients. So don't get comfortable with large grows.
If you are currently a caregiver---only grow the amount of plants you are permitted to grow--stay out of the spot-light and wait this one out.
Even the Department of Revenue stated this is going to take several months to figure out. Doing anything else right now--is just chasing our tails.
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Originally Posted by rightwinger
First of all I wouldn't be sitting on 100 plants---you're in DEA territory there--and if you got busted no amount of 1284 is going to keep you out of jail. When you go to a federal court--in defense--you can't even mention you were growing for medical marijuana patients. So don't get comfortable with large grows.
Your point is well taken.
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If you are currently a caregiver---only grow the amount of plants you are permitted to grow--stay out of the spot-light and wait this one out.
Am I a caregiver now? I've got lots of patients. Are they really still my patients?
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Even the Department of Revenue stated this is going to take several months to figure out. Doing anything else right now--is just chasing our tails.
Understood. I made some adjustments to the unit numbers yesterday to keep in line with 16 patients.
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Originally Posted by donnadanko
Did greengorillaz just get an offer?
looks like it. where are you green?
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Go growers...what do you think....
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Originally Posted by BasementWarrior
Hi everyone, I'm new here but have been posting on other forums for a few years now and have been growing for many years.
I'm nervous about HB1284 too, It's been a fairly cool ride operating as a legal caregiver the last few years. But, at the same time, I'm secretly excited about the potential new changes. Hear me out.
When I first started growing (mid 90's) I was getting $4400/lb, no negotiations, and could not grow enough to keep up with demand. I was never asked what strain it was. I never heard any complaints. I only had to meet with 1, sometimes 2 people a month. I fished a lot.
As a legal caregiver I have slightly sick, mostly stoopid (pun intended) patients who are extremely entitled and demanding. My patients want me to grow a dozen different strains so they can pick the 1 or 2 that turned out the best that run and then they leave me stuck with the B's until I have to blow em out for $800/qp to the dispensaries before the next harvest.
My patients see all the desperate new caregivers/dispensaries come onto the scene offering free everything and want me to compete with all these phantom freebies of unknown quality.
Dealing with dispensaries as a vendor has not been very pleasant either. The huge influx of growers to CO has definitely given the power to the dispensaries. If it's between paying the bills or holding out for a fair price, everyone is going to do what it takes to pay the bills eventually.
I predict that within a short time there will be a lot less growers and there will also be far fewer licensed patients since very few will comply with SB109 hoops. But, there will still be just as many folks smoking the ganja. So do the math. Supply goes down, legal patients stop renewing, demand stays constant.
Yes, start pointing fingers and throwing eggs, I'm the one grower in CO who is secretly excited about the passing of hb1284. I'm going to try and have the best of both worlds for sure now. With a few pieces of window dressing on my wall giving me a legal defense for my grow, as well as, higher profits for my produce on the newly invigorated CO black market, I see a bright future ahead for those of us with the balls and the skills to pay the bills.
I'm glad you got the warm and fuzzies!
Be safe.
;)
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Originally Posted by BasementWarrior
Hi everyone, I'm new here but have been posting on other forums for a few years now and have been growing for many years.
I'm nervous about HB1284 too, It's been a fairly cool ride operating as a legal caregiver the last few years. But, at the same time, I'm secretly excited about the potential new changes. Hear me out.
When I first started growing (mid 90's) I was getting $4400/lb, no negotiations, and could not grow enough to keep up with demand. I was never asked what strain it was. I never heard any complaints. I only had to meet with 1, sometimes 2 people a month. I fished a lot.
As a legal caregiver I have slightly sick, mostly stoopid (pun intended) patients who are extremely entitled and demanding. My patients want me to grow a dozen different strains so they can pick the 1 or 2 that turned out the best that run and then they leave me stuck with the B's until I have to blow em out for $800/qp to the dispensaries before the next harvest.
My patients see all the desperate new caregivers/dispensaries come onto the scene offering free everything and want me to compete with all these phantom freebies of unknown quality.
Dealing with dispensaries as a vendor has not been very pleasant either. The huge influx of growers to CO has definitely given the power to the dispensaries. If it's between paying the bills or holding out for a fair price, everyone is going to do what it takes to pay the bills eventually.
I predict that within a short time there will be a lot less growers and there will also be far fewer licensed patients since very few will comply with SB109 hoops. But, there will still be just as many folks smoking the ganja. So do the math. Supply goes down, legal patients stop renewing, demand stays constant.
Yes, start pointing fingers and throwing eggs, I'm the one grower in CO who is secretly excited about the passing of hb1284. I'm going to try and have the best of both worlds for sure now. With a few pieces of window dressing on my wall giving me a legal defense for my grow, as well as, higher profits for my produce on the newly invigorated CO black market, I see a bright future ahead for those of us with the balls and the skills to pay the bills.
I agree with everything except for one thing, I dont think there are going to be that many fewer growers. Current growers *may* grow less but I'm not even sure about that. All the growers I know I have not heard one say they are going to stop. I do think a lot of both patients and growers will go back to the black market so hopefully one will take care of the other and prices will stabilize but I doubt they will go up much.
Things were definitely starting to get out of control with everyone and their mom (literally) growing with dollar signs in their eyes so in that aspect I'm glad, hopefully 1284 will stop every pizza delivery guy and McDonalds worker from lighting up their basement from now on.
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Originally Posted by BasementWarrior
Just wait, you'll see. When you have to know people to move weight and can't just drive around town with a backpack and a map the newbie growers will go back to delivering pizza.
When I started growing I also couldnt grow enough, but as time went on the few people I depended on slowly came across other growers and started using them as leverage to get cheaper prices and everyone started getting into variety. I hope you're right because I get tired of some of the bullshit that goes along with some of this.
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soon, people in new mexico will be complaining about co-buds.
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Originally Posted by BasementWarrior
Yes, because that's what happens in a free market. But it's no longer a free market. Risks and costs are going back up. When the newbies doing this stuff out in the open start getting taken to the ground by a team of gestapo drug task force agents, word will get around and then everything will come tumbling down but the prices. The next 6 months will be an awesome time to find used grow equipment on CL. Bye bye everyone, have a safe drive back to __________.
thats why i have laughed at the bone heads that said 6 months ago that in 2 months the bottom was gunna fall out and nothing would be over 50 an oz lmao.still makes me chuckle
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Originally Posted by canaguy27
looks like it. where are you green?
I didn't get an offer, it was more like I'll take your name and number. I have secured a deal, just not with these guys.
Why can't the growers that do remain and go the legal route form some kind of union or co-op and set our prices?
Most commodities have a set price. If you go to a pharmacy and buy little blue or yellow pills for whatever ails you, pharmacy A doesn't deeply discount in order to compete with pharmacy B.
Growers have some bargaining power now, we have what the MMC's need in order to stay in business. No longer will they be able to strongarm us into ridiculous prices because they have 100 basement growers they can buy from.
I've heard over and over about how much overhead the dispensaries have and in order to compete, they need product well below the $3000.00 a lb mark. I don't disagree with the fact they have overhead. I've heard many say it's just a weed and monkeys can grow weed. I've seen a dozen vendors hit one dispensary in a matter of a couple hours and watched as one grower let his meds go for $2100.00 an lb, ridiculous!
As we growers get into compliance with HB 1284 and align with a dispensary, our costs to produce AAA meds will skyrocket. The rent alone on a properly zoned facility with a cool landlord has tripled in price. How in the hell can I let my product go for less than $3200.00 a lb and stay afloat?
I'd be more than happy to sell them my AAA meds for $2500.00 a lb if they pay all the cost's associated with the grow.
Seriously folks, we have some power back in our possession and if we can stick together, we can be fairly compensated and prosper.
My 2 cents. Peace!
