Gaza aid flotilla attacked, 10 killed

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

How much kool-aid did it take to forget about the region's history, UN mandates on setting-up Israel as a nation, and exactly where the Palestinians came from, and why they were not welcome in their 'home' country. (there was no country...just secular tribal alliances)

Hell...'Palestine' was, in the 1920's an insult.
From:Origins of Palestinian Arabs:
"No "Palestinian Arab people" existed at the start of 1920...

Until the late nineteenth century, residents living in the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean identified themselves primarily in terms of religion: Moslems felt far stronger bonds with remote co-religionists than with nearby Christians and Jews. Living in that area did not imply any sense of common political purpose.

Then came the ideology of nationalism from Europe; its ideal of a government that embodies the spirit of its people was alien but appealing to Middle Easterners. How to apply this ideal, though? Who constitutes a nation and where must the boundaries be? These questions stimulated huge debates.

Some said the residents of the Levant are a nation; others said Eastern Arabic speakers; or all Arabic speakers; or all Moslems.

But no one suggested "Palestinians," and for good reason. Palestine, then a secular way of saying Eretz Yisra'el or Terra Sancta, embodied a purely Jewish and Christian concept, one utterly foreign to Moslems, even repugnant to them.

From: History of Palestine and Palestinians
"It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion."


Anyway...That floatilla did not come un armed. They had a full compliment of hand-to-hand weapons, and the goal was to use them as such in a surprise attack on the team sent to search all incoming vessels. (it is a blockade, after all)

Next time, I'd recommend you know what the full context of the middle-east history, both recent and distant, before pretending to know the situation. Otherwise, you look like an under-educated left-leaning parrot. :jointsmile:

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That's coming from a lying Israeli website ... :rolleyes:

Iran's interior minister has called on all countries which bang the drum for human rights to decry the crimes committed by the Zionist regime of Israel.

"The (UN) Security Council, the United Nations and all countries which claim to be human rights sympathizers should reach out to the Palestinian people and condemn Israeli crimes", said Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar in an interview with Fars news agency.

Touching on the Israeli assault on the Gaza-bound aid convoy in the high seas, the top official underlined the Israeli regime is associated with brutality, murder and crime.

By attacking the aid flotilla, Najjar said, the Israeli regime revealed its true colors.

He called on all international circles to denounce the atrocities committed at the hands of the 'usurper' and 'fabricated' regime of Israel.

'Israeli regime nature based on crime'

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Originally Posted by boaz

Rusty, next time I'd suggest you keep your lables to yourself, otherwise you sound like a fox news parrot. :jointsmile:

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It's ok to acuse, but not ok to label? How are you going to tow the leftist agenda with an attitude like that?
Regardless, I'd much rather be a fox news parrot, than a blog-plagiarising parrot. At least the former is armed with both sides of any given story, and has the ability to think for themselves.

Until you understand the history of the region, your accusations and insinuations are rediculous and unfounded. Almost laughable, in fact...

Anyone that has seen the video(s) and still believes that the boarding party was not attacked, I believe, has an acute case of optical rectitis. If the "humanitarian" mission was to truly deliver the goods, why then the attempts to run through the blockade? Their convoy could have just as easily delivered the cargo to the appropriate port untouched. Palestinian aid has been delivered there since the blockade started 3 years ago, and transfering the aid directly to the Palestinians (after a thorough search for weapons going to Hamas) has never been an issue.

Were I on a raiding party (what you seem to believe it was) I'd have gone in, guns a blazing, with not a single Israeli casualty. But short of that, it was a boarding party there to inspect cargo. I'm guessing if the Israelis intentions were to assault, there would be no "humanitarian" witnesses left standing. I also find it strange how no shots were fired till some of the "humanitarians" got ahold of a couple of the boarding party side arms. (while they were getting the crap beat out of them in a surprise attack)

Speaking of weapons, where do you think all the (non-weapon?) knives, clubs. pipes came from? And are you trying to say that the the strategy of waiting to be boarded before showing violence was a spur of the moment decision made by the entirety of crew and "humanitarians"...? (yet all the crew and "aid" workers were armed) They were in attack mode since the moment they left port in Turkey.

Do you believe that the Israeli's have no right to defend their nation and it's people from hostils neighbors? Next time...I say the Israelis should eliminate all doubt and put a torpedo through their hull, then prosecute any survivors.

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Originally Posted by WIlDuce1883

Iran's interior minister...

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The credibility of your response ended after those words...^ :jointsmile:
That's the best you can do?

This entire incident is nothing more than the Anti-Israel sharks and islamic jihadi's of the world smelling Obama's international weakness plain and simple. Might as well attempt to chump Israel while Obama's still around......the middle east follows our politics very closely and their betting Obama's DONE in 2 years....which he is.

Still waiting eagerly with popcorn for the next 2 boats of "peace activists" to be intercepted and hopefully try and fight again. It will all be on video .....should be on PPV.:pimp:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

The credibility of your response ended after those words...^ :jointsmile:
That's the best you can do?

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Anti-Iran rhetoric is the best you can do. So typical.

The laughable UN sits Iran on its human rights commision...( I couldnt even type that without laughing).......nobody gives a shit what anyone at the UN has to say anymore.

Iran stoned a women to death last week for looking promiscuous? They buried her up to her neck in sand and then three men smashed rocks over her head for a good twenty minutes till she stopped moaning.

The UN.........hahahahaha....what a JOKE. Kick em out of America. Off to Brussles lol.

Here's ANOTHER video of the jihadi "peace activists" gently waiting patiently and peacefully for the intercepting Israeli Navy throwing STUN GRENADES.

YouTube - Mavi Marmara Passengers Attack IDF Before Soldiers Board Ship

heres some video of the peaceful hippies weapons

YouTube - Weapons Found on the Flotilla Ship Mavi Marmara Used by Activists Against IDF Soldiers

Same things coming to the other 2 ships of useful idiots......and any nation that makes a move on Israel.....Israel is ready for WHATEVER.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

... Next time...I say the Israelis should eliminate all doubt and put a torpedo through their hull, then prosecute any survivors.

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yeah, they are just arabs, right? its okay to joke about them when they get slaughtered, hu? but, say one thing, even as a joke about Israel and you get a called a liberal. :rastasmoke:

but that said, my true hope :jointsmile:, as stated earlier, is that Israel and Palestine can stop killing each other for some time. :) Peace. :hippy: :jointsmile:

I'm not sure if all your comments were directed at me, Rusty, but just for the record I never said Israel did not have the right to defend herself. I just made some bad jokes about it after someone else made some bad jokes about the victims. I don't care if Israel exist or not. To me its just another, country, its not really gods backyard or anything. ;) It has no more, and no less, rights that all the people living in that region. :twocents:

Anyway, the President has his best chick on it. :D I'm sure it all it work now.

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Originally Posted by WIlDuce1883

Yeah man, it does seem like there is a lot of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc. fans here. Does not matter though because anything mainstream spouts out lies.

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:D no doubt. full disclosure, I only watch fox news. :rastasmoke: I mean what else is there, MSNBC???? :silly: just kidding, CNN is getting better lately. but they are all very biased in their own ways. :twocents:

I got home early yesterday and actually watched Glen Beck for a few minutes, it was like grade school for really dumn adults. :D