first grow log, I WILL need help

wow those pics from from your previous grow at 19 days no nutes and your new pics with nutes do look quite bad
the set up you have will create wind burn with that fan blowing down onto them in the bucket like that you always want your wind gowing across them or coming from the under side of them sort of blowing the leaves from underneath with that large fan blowind down on them it will cause the wind burn and kill your plants and stunt the growth think about the wind out side when you look at plants its always blowin across them or from a slight angle up from the ground blowing across but up at the same time this will always work best for instance if you were to cut a nice size whole in two sides of your bucket so the air could come in one side and go out the other while setting your fan pointed towards the bucket and the hole instead of down into the bucket it should eliminat any of the wind burn that may cause the plants to wilter and stunt in growth
As for the nutes if you are not using soil like mirical grow or something that has nutes in it good for the first 2 months or so of growing i would still wait till the plants are at least sprouting 5 pointer leaves before adding any nutes and than only at half what is recomended per gallon of water till u see how they react I have grown in mirical grow and never had a problem with the plants needing nutes for at least the first 2 months than i would add once the plants were about 8 to 12 inches tall and i have always had great results i also used cfls

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Originally Posted by jkilla420

wow those pics from from your previous grow at 19 days no nutes and your new pics with nutes do look quite bad

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are you blind? are you saying there is no improvement or they look worse after adding nutes? Shows how small of a person you are:thumbsup:

I went through your journal again to help out.The only things that i can tell of been told to you already,so i'm going to explain how i do it,maybe you can get something out of this.It's a plant and you seem to have a problem growing
and shouldn't be this hard 'so here it goes.
I start by putting seed in a cup of ph'ed water about 5.8,my tap water is 8.2
I done this for about 3 years with 100% success.About 1 to 4 days i get roots
I then put my seeds in a cup of perlite and vermiculite carefully with the seed shell sticking out of the medium,and water with tap water brought down to a ph of 5.8,and soak the medium with water until the water comes out the hole in the bottom of the cup.Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.my tap water is about 150 ppm on its own,so there is some nute's from my tap,like rust,calcium etc but very little and unknown exactlywithout a test,(no chlorine).At about 3 weeks i start with the nutes,i use dnf 2 parts nutes at about 200 ppm to start, watering every 3 days.Now my tap water is 150ppm,so i am only adding 50ppm of dnf grow nutes,not much at all,you don't want to shock the plants with too much nutes to start.As your plants grow bigger,you bring your nutes up at roughly
200 ppm every week(i'm estimating here, sometimes more, sometimes not at all depends how your plants look).now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top.Check your plants if they move just a little bit every couple a seconds then you know there is air flow.
The temps could be a problem at 85 or more,give them 18 hrs of light 6 hrs of dark, you don't need 24 hrs lights at this point.take them out of the box and put them on a window ledge or in a bright room for a few hrs a day,the will like it.
I'm not a expert but have had some good luck going pot,stick with it Mike,it will come through,hope this helps and good luck bro
P.S if i think of something else i will get back to ya

those plants need help with more light

thanks cheapguy, yeah i have switched my lights to 18-6, I know my temps have alot to do with it but I have no air conditioning and it gets pretty darn hot some days. lately it has been cold and raining outside and cooler in the house and all my plants are doing quite a bit better. The setup they are in right now is only temporary, when they go under the 400 watt hps they wont be in a stupid box.

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Originally Posted by mazman1989

those plants need help with more light

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thanks man but I dont think so. As far as I know lack of light causes stretching and not sickly plants.:jointsmile:

I've experienced that the height you have your light and strain your growing causes stretching. Sativa is the worst as far as stretching goes. As soon as you put them into flower they go crazy with growth! The lower you can get your light to the tops of the plants the shorter they will be.. That will get the nodes growing closer together..

Ga Grown!

Posted by cheapguy

Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.

now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top

THESE ARE THE SAME POINTS I MADE TO YOU IN AN EARLIER POST SO WHY ARE YOU TALKIN SHIT TO ME AND NOT CHEAPGUY WHEN HE IS SMART ENOUGHT TO POINT OUT THE SAME STUFF GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PLANTS LEARN HOW TO TAKE SOME ADVICE

BY THE WAY IM NOT BLIND YOUR PLANT LOOK LIKE CRAP WITH OR WITHOUT NUTES

hay michael... are your lights on during the day time when its hotter outside..if so change to the night time,this will help the temps... and get a hydrothermometer,they are cheap and essential. if you dont know the temps and humidity how can you fix anything? best of luck with them,they are perking up..:)