I'm not sure what you mean by "a four-complete cycle 24-hour period".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother
Do you mean 4 separate timer schedules for your 4 separate light sources (spectrums)?
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I'm not sure what you mean by "a four-complete cycle 24-hour period".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother
Do you mean 4 separate timer schedules for your 4 separate light sources (spectrums)?
Sal... I think she was responding to what you wrote in your other post... "Can any of them perform 4 or more complete on/off cycles per day?" :thumbsup:
Yup, that's what I was talking about. You read my mind, Dog. :-)
Sal: I guess I should back up on my assumptions ;), and ask, how would being about to complete 4 on/off cycles in a 24-hour period help at the end?
Mother, my first responce to your comment was to think of stepping the spectrums at least at Nightfall, in order to hasten or delay the Nightfall process. After looking at last quarters pile of data, I'm still realling a bit and feeling sort of overwhelmed by it all. My rist has been laming my brain a bit lately to.
As per our question about using four cycles, it primarily has to do with changing the gene time used and/or the energy used for a duration or even a interval process.
For instance leaving the Blue signal on while while trimming one of the other spectrums here or there, reduces the energy input while maintain the Blue schedule unchanged. This would be more for energy concervation than reducing stem elongation in one such application.
Two of the flowerings I just went back and looked over had the same basic schedule that you just used, but they used less than half the energy to achieve the stem elongation slow down during pre- or early flower. In these two examples the number of cycles was not changed but the synchronizing between them was alterred to tune the plant percieved Darkness duration. The schedules were changed (minimally) 4 times, one for vegging, one for early flower, one for bloomiong and one for finishing/ripenning.
As far as suggestions, I can take you too far forward at the moment (I asked), but I can take you a bit laterally.
Although it results in a bit of subcanopy stem elongation, I would suggest that you consider using more Incandescent. Even if you used nothing but a regular clear Incandescent for your Blue signal, the increased tip elongation would provide you with enough new tip growth to observe the changes in morphology (leaf/flower formation) to know what the results of your Darkness schedule are, new growth wise.
Also during this preflower phase, you could reduce the amount of LED wattage used and still similar results, and if you are using Red Inc.'s during the Darknesss interval, reducing the Red LED wattage could give better results, but the timer would have to be reset to adjust to the gene clock speed increase.
I know what a shock the growth slow down can be, but if you can hold on till Halloween, I'm sure you will see what fruit this beastly thing ultimately bore.
Dog, I just reread you question about Reducing the Time Factors, sorry I didn't answer that one as I had thought.
To reduce the Time Factors lower than that of the Red Incandescents you're using, you can exchange one for a Incandescent Blacklight or even dim the Red Inc.'s. There are other options, but I'm limited in that direction at the moment. (Don't worry Dog, even you will have some surprises coming).
As always consider what changes in the timer might have to be made if you change the spectrum.
Personally-
Less than three months to go and I can't wait for some time to brain chill when it's over.
Some interesting news, I've been sellecting stock in my Low Haze breeding project, but now Rauber is calling it LED Haze since the seeds where bred using Rauber's methods and there are no current plans for using any other method for breeding the next generation, making this a LED bred strain. I should be making the next Inbred generation within a month. I'm hoping this will turn out to be a nice strain for LED, HPS and outdoor tests.
I hope that coverred it all.
Take care, Sal.
Sal I can't wait till Halloween.Quote:
Originally Posted by salmayo
We currently are getting good results with 10 hours of PAL lighting using 210w of cfl's and a 100w clear halogen inc and a 400w hps setup. We run the cfl's and the clear halogen inc for the first half of the blue day and then we run the hps only for the second half of the day. After the first two weeks of flowering are over we start to use 4 hours of red PAD lighting for a 14on 10off type of schedule. This seems to work great for us. Produces some fine hash bud. Thanks for your help :thumbsup:
Just to clarify the above statement...
The first two weeks of flowering we use a standard 12/12 schedule. Then we use a 4/10/10 schedule..
Whew. Been testing samples and this enhanced THC thing is starting to feel like work, so Rauber told me to take a breather after a weeks testing. I hate to say it, but I'm kinda relieved to be able to take a break.
Dog, initially a few of the other Beta's preferred 12/12 to start flowering, which is not surprising considering the drastic slow down demonstrated by some of the introductory experiences, as Mother's posts show.
Glad to hear things are developing nicely for you Dog. Gotta love those Trich's.
But (take heart Mother), refinements to the process have helped take the shock out of this early flower technique, by providing a limited amount of growth for the sake of the observers nerves and the ability to observe the progression of flowering developement.
Mother, don't get too worred about multiple cycle schedules for early flower schedules, two cycles (one Day, one Night) are plenty if they are dialed right. Rauber wondered why I was discussing using four cycles, and the truth is I was just trying to distinguish between removable pin timers and push/pull pin timers (the removable pin timers seize/jam at durations under 45 minutes).
One of the main functions that we manipulate, for the initial flowering Day duration turn down, is to reduce the total number of gene clock ticks per complete Day cycle in order to reduce overall stem elongation. Everything else being equal, stem elongation is directly proportional to metabolism or number of gene clock ticks (gene time).
We also limit photosynthetic activity to slow elongation at this turn down stage. The difference is that we limit photosynthetic input with a higher utilization of input energy, as opposed to what you've just observed, which is primarily limited by low utilization of a higher input energy.
Break time's over. -Back to stone mines. (Ever notice that it's difficult to maintain objectivity when you're higher than a kite!)
Take care, Sal.
This is an understatement IMO. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by salmayo
Sal....Back in the day (LOL) when my uncle and I used a standard 400 watt HPS 12/12 type of flowering. We could get this Diamond we have to get a slight hash taste to her after about 10 weeks of flowering. Now using 4 hours of PAD lighting and 10 hours of slightly altered PAL lighting we can get this Diamond to scream a sweet blond hash taste in 8 weeks flat. Plus I think my uncle and I only have this method about 60% to 70% correct. IMO we still have alot to learn.. It's been a fun 8 or so months...
Ya we've been using some of the blue light you suggested on the PAL side in the first two weeks of flowering to combat stretching and still trying to maintain some good speed. It works but I still got a lot to learn.. Can't wait till Halloween.Quote:
Originally Posted by salmayo
Long time no see, mother, dog, shake, weez, sal, hope you all had a good year. Anyone see anything about the halloween publication about martian method? Maybe I'm missing it, but I searched around a bit, so a link would be appreciated :)
Still wondering, here ya go:
"Rauber Enhancement is the response between two saturating spectrum durations that occur within ninety minutes of each other, where the responses based on each time duration, rather than a response to an intermediate combination of the spectrum based on the wattages of the two spectrums." (from chapter 3 of â??Photosynthetic Articifial Darkness, Rauber Enhancement, and Rauber Enhanced PAD. 1st Edition AKA: The PAD Manual. Copyrighted 2009 Shawn Rauber, as a representative of Temporal Photonics and of the author, I have express rights to reproduce this citation of the authorâ??s copyrighted work.)
It may not sound like much, but it solves every gripe I ever heard about indoor lighting, and is a God Send to LED growers.
"PAD Manuals" will be available on eBay shortly they are currently converting from CD to paperback, due to a CD production flaw (resulting in a recall of the first batch of disks, disk will also be available in the future ~ slight delay).
Sorry for the delay, but I'm rolling with the random as it comes.
I should be back online regularly to answer your questions as best I can within the consent of the author.
Take Care, Sal.