Obama says torturers may face prosecution
uhh...flowers and sunshine is all i took from that.
ive been to iraq, ive dealt with the enemies of the US firsthand. dont give me that moral highground shit, when shit hits the fan and we need to know something fast, give me a pair of pliers and a blow torch and we'll get some answers out of haj. war sucks. its not for cry babies and soft ass lefties. bad things happen, good people die, and mofos get tortured. thats the way it is, and thats the way its probably always going to be.
i saw a bumper sticker on a vets car once that said: if you havent been to iraq or afghanistan, then shut the fuck up.
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by psychocat
A simple question of logic dictates that if torture is wrong for others to commit (this is something all civilised societies agree) then it is wrong no matter who is doing it.
Twist and whine all you want but the truth is you can't take the moral highground as a hypocrite.
calling it torture doesn't make it torturous. a rose by any other name is still
a bunch of leftist bullshit
maybe you should leave American politics to Americans
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
calling it torture doesn't make it torturous. a rose by any other name is still
a bunch of leftist bullshit
maybe you should leave American politics to Americans
The bullshit you smell is most definately your own.
I couldn't care less for people if I tried.
Americas politics are as corrupt and retarded as any countries politics, all politics is bullshit.
I am however a pedant when it comes to hypocrisy.
Since your own goverment uses the word torture to describe the acts carried out how is it even possible to argue with that definition ?
BTW
The only things that motivate me are logic and honesty, they are the only things that count, everything else is secondary.
I have no political affiliations as that is simply a way to choose who you want to get screwed by for the next however many years.
What do you call 500 politicians at the bottom of the sea?
A fuckin' good start. :thumbsup:
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by psychocat
Since your own goverment uses the word torture to describe the acts carried out how is it even possible to argue with that definition ?
That argument isn't as valid as you would like to believe. Seeing as Obama and his administration seem to have alternative motives with all this, their calling it torture doesn't really mean much. They are sucking up to the international community as they have been doing since they took office, they have also been trying to demonize the Bush administration at every possible turn.
Had Cheney and Bush referred to it as torture your argument would be valid, but seeing as Obama is desperately trying to portray all our nations problems as a result of the Bush administration, their calling it torture clearly benefits them in this way.
I agree a lot of our problems are a result of Bush, as well as the democratic controlled congress. Unfortunately, the democrats in power today aren't willing to share the blame. They need a scapegoat and the Bush administration is the perfect target.
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
Waterboarding has been considered torture for over a century and the US military is banned from using it.
For some reason (known only to those who decided it) the CIA is not banned from torturing
Does that clarify it better ?
I do like the wrangling with definitions that the lawyers are pursuing.
Enhanced interrogation technique LMAO
Do you think I could use something similar and claim that I was only guilty of extreme body modification if I should ever feel the need to chop someone up ? :D
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by dossantos
A couple of thousand people got killed...
In europe and the middle east people have got used of war and bombs...
Was it that much of a shock that after years of doing what u wanted around the world somebody kicked back..
i've never been much of a flag waver (in fact, i've been known to burn a flag or two in my time), but i do believe in giving credit where credit is due and damning those whose world view is tinted by prejudice and popular opinion.
where you ever got the idea that people anywhere in the world ever get used to the destruction of war is beyond me. every wayward bullet and stray bomb fragment is followed by screams for retribution and reparation from a seemingly infinite number of voices. a mis-aimed american missile is enough to call down howls of derision from every corner of the world, even though a suicide bomber killing dozens or even hundreds of innocents is seen as a proper response to the slightest of insults.
i've also gotten pretty damn sick of the universal blame that has settled on the u.s. for all of the world's woes. while every third world cesspool with an axe to grind seems to be claiming that the corruption of american capitalism has stolen their wealth, they seem to conveniently forget the trillions of dollars of aid that has always flowed from us to every corner of the world in times of need and to ignore their own rampant corruption. while the world's economies reel from the shock waves of our economic collapse and look to us to clean up what they seem to feel is our mess, they all prefer to forget how willing they were to go along for the ride in better times and make their billions on america's coat tails. while the american military is berated as the cause of violence across the globe, no one wishes to point out that that violence is growing in even those corners of the world where american influence is almost nonexistent and to conveniently forget (once again) the number of times that that same military has been called upon by the world to quell that violence.
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I think Obama has to be good for the world..
He has improved the image of the US...
He has got a real positive image in Europe and i think it really is time for change...
as JE has already pointed out; brak is not the world's president, but ours. that positive image is being built on apologies where none are warranted. he builds up the egos of second and third rate powers by genuflecting before their arrogance and illusory moral superiority, seeking to send us down the path of their socialistic stagnation. these has-beens, scurrying desperately to regain their past glories, have taken the road of mediocrity and the messiah sees their failure as the success we should be aiming for. where he should be finding ways to strengthen and support the ideology that has placed us in the position of a world superpower, he instead seems determined to tear all of that down and and replace it with failed socialist dogma and a totalitarian bureaucracy. that change you so long for seems to be the entropy of a world society and the destruction of the individual.
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The world wants to love the US..
only a fool could really believe this. the world wants us to fail. though they are willingly dominated by a robust america, they would prefer to see us broken and ripe for their scavenging. they may be more than happy to use our strengths, but they would rather see our wealth decline and our liberty decimated as a warning to any who should revere the power of the individual. brak seems all too eager to trade our heritage for the feigned respect of a greedy world community.
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
Whoooo.....
Pity whoever does eventually invade the USA if even the stoners are militant...
Respect to u for your patriotic views..
U r true Americans..
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by dossantos
Pity whoever does eventually invade the USA if even the stoners are militant...
Respect to u for your patriotic views..
i have no use for the blindness of rabid patriotism nor for that of its opposite. i find it difficult to defend the use of harsh interrogation techniques, even when i see their necessity, and i see this country as only a means to an even better end, with even more freedom and an even greater reverence for the power of the individual. my days of militancy are long since past.
the invasion began long ago. we are in the process of being taken over by the indolence and avarice of the ignorant masses, led by a power hungry bureaucracy that uses the ignorant as figurative cannon fodder in their quest for a totalitarian regime. violence is of little use against such an onslaught, only by example can we hope to show that the tide can be turned. the herd may willingly follow their masters down the path of least resistance, but there will always be those that see the virtue of the hard road.
damn, stoned again.:jointsmile:
Obama says torturers may face prosecution
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Originally Posted by dossantos
Whoooo.....
Pity whoever does eventually invade the USA if even the stoners are militant...
Respect to u for your patriotic views..
U r true Americans..
I for one, believe in what this country was founded upon and would be willing to risk my life in defense of our sovereignty. Unfortunately it appears an invading force isn't necessary, it appears our leaders are happy demolishing it from the inside.
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property/Happiness. Our current administration is already threatening our three most basic and cherished rights. I will fight my own government as well as a foreign army to protect those and other rights.
