Oil !

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Originally Posted by psychocat

You must have been hiding in a hole for an awful long time if you don't know that the whole WMD has been done to death and the conclusion is still the same, it was a bullshit excuse .http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/11/in...t/11intel.html

The two illegal wars that were started under false pretences have cost lives on all sides.
Do you think anyone should pay for wars that America and Britain started other than America and Britain and if so why ?

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Your economy is in the shit because of mismanagement and bad decisions by US companies, what has Iraq got to do with sub prime loans ?BBC NEWS | Business | Q&A: Sub-prime lending
What has Iraq got to do with Ford or GM ?Ford Unveils Deeper Cuts To Fend Off Financial Crisis JOSEPH B. WHITE & JEFFREY MCCRACKEN / Wall Street Journal 15sep2006
You can believe whatever you want but the reality is that America is in financial shit because of America not because of anyone else so why should anyone but America pay ?

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Note that I said partly the reason. How much money would we have to help stem off financial disasters likes this if we hadn't gone to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? If having a stable democracy is good for the people of Iraq , what is wrong with everyone working towards a common goal? Is not everyone pulling together better than someone pulling alone? I do not see why you are so against the people of Iraq being able to choose for themselves, Or do you like the ways of old better? I am not saying invading Iraq wasn't a mistake, because it was,but If they are giving this cash up voluntarily what is wrong with that? Maybe they see the need to help us out for our logistical support, as they basically have none. So of course our operations are going to be much more costly than their own. How many life's might that money save instead of sitting in a bank somewhere? Why waste a resource when everything today is so strapped for cash?

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Originally Posted by Cederfern

fort knox is going to be converted to a refinery some day... :mad:


how much time do we have before the USD is backed by oil?

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LOL, since when is it backed by gold? Or anything for that matter?

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Note that I said partly the reason. How much money would we have to help stem off financial disasters likes this if we hadn't gone to war in Afghanistan and Iraq?

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None because the retards running the finances of your country are as inept as they possibly could be, the money spent on the war went to certain US companies, Backwater and Haliburton have done rather well out of it all.
The list of US companies involved is staggering so therefore the money spent on the war goes to US companies.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

If having a stable democracy is good for the people of Iraq , what is wrong with everyone working towards a common goal?

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Who told you the Iraqis want to be like the US ?
A common goal determined by the US you mean.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Is not everyone pulling together better than someone pulling alone? I do not see why you are so against the people of Iraq being able to choose for themselves,

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What choice was given when the US and Britain invaded ?
Are you saying that the Iraqi people wanted us to invade because I simply do not believe that.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Or do you like the ways of old better? I am not saying invading Iraq wasn't a mistake,

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You bet it was, even dumbass Bush admits that.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

because it was,but If they are giving this cash up voluntarily what is wrong with that? Maybe they see the need to help us out for our logistical support, as they basically have none. So of course our operations are going to be much more costly than their own.

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Where did you get that idea ?
Why on earth would Iraq give control of it's oil profits to a blindingly greedy nation like the US ?
Remember that a man with a gun to his head will agree to just about anything.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

How many live's might that money save instead of sitting in a bank somewhere?

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Are you saying that the money the US takes will be used in Iraq ?
How does it benefit Iraq if the money ends up in America ?

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Why waste a resource when everything today is so strapped for cash?

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It wouldn't be wasted , it would be in the hands of the rightful owners instead of being thieved by the west.

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Halliburton ,Veritas Capital Fund/DynCorp , Washington Group International , Environmental Chemical , Aegis , International American Products , Erinys , Fluor , Perini , URS Corporation , Parsons , First Kuwaiti General Trading & Contracting , .

Just some of the companies getting thier slice of the pie.

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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt

Tell that to someone who saw their son's guts blown over the road in the holy name of the American economic agenda. Yes, I know Hussein was a dictator and that he killed a lot of people, but not nearly as many as have been lost and will continue to be lost in this invasion. There was at least a basic stability--with the situation now, we'll have insurgents running amok killing people until the Western presence is completely gone.

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Then what was in all those mass graves that were found? Hussein killed millions, we did not.
Pakistan has bombings every day despite a lack of western presence. These terrorists will not stop until either they are all dead or we are. Better them than me.

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Originally Posted by McDanger

Then what was in all those mass graves that were found? Hussein killed millions, we did not.
Pakistan has bombings every day despite a lack of western presence. These terrorists will not stop until either they are all dead or we are. Better them than me.

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I fear that some people have fallen victim to the propoganda and paranoia.
I am increasingly suprised that stoners who have seen through the whole war on drugs bullshit simply cannot see that the war on terror is just as big a crock of shit.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

I fear that some people have fallen victim to the propoganda and paranoia.
I am increasingly suprised that stoners who have seen through the whole war on drugs bullshit simply cannot see that the war on terror is just as big a crock of shit.

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I just take the terrorists at their word. They want the entire world ruled by sharia law.

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Originally Posted by McDanger

I just take the terrorists at their word. They want the entire world ruled by sharia law.

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Really !
You're going off topic but I will answer anyway.

10 million potheads want legal cannabis but it hasn't happened yet, what makes you think a few extremists are going to get what they want.
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We live in a time where the media is simply a propoganda tool and the truth is distorted to fit the agenda of the people in charge.:mad:

I buy into and believe in the war on terror about as much as I buy into and believe the bull about the war on drugs .

These wars were never about terrorism and all about control.

We both obviously our dead set in our views so when the conversation runs in a circle, I think it is time to end it. As always I enjoy our debates and look forward to more in the future.