First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Hey Dude,
I don't mind hitchhikers at all. When it comes time for you to start a full grow, I'd recommend a separate grow log if only for clarity's sake, but until that time, more info is always welcomed here!
As for the Far Red emitters from Marubeni (or Epitex, or Roithner, or whomever) keep in mind that you're going to pay about $150 for an emitter that takes 5.4 Watts (electricity) and emits 1 W (light energy at 735 nm). I've been holding off on buying one of these or building some of my own until I know what level(s) of FR I'm going to need. Meaning a 1 W emitter is great until you need 10 Watts of emitted light. :-) That's my only caution there. I certainly think FR from LED is a good idea. I just don't know how good of a value it is for the time being.
And if you're a hobbyist/experimenter with electronics, you can build better arrays than the Procyon for cheaper by buying the LEDs yourself, can you not? I haven't built any LED arrays myself (yet) but it seems that buying 52x2W Cree LEDs and a driver is probably way cheaper than buying a Procyon and taking it apart. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by thedudeman
Am I mistaken in thinking that a 89% Red to 21% Far-red would be good during the day and inversely perhaps 89% Far-red to 21% Red during the Martian night time on a 24/12 flowering schedule. I could be way off here but i'm just postulating a bit. We know that the absence of the light in the blue (<500nm) has to do with making the trigger to flower happen. It seems like all that really leaves us to play with is our Red/Far-red ratios during day and night.
89+21=110. You mean 79:21 or 89:11? Either way, reversing it between day and night seems a reasonable guess. Considering blue light, I am working from a different assumption though. I believe that the presence of blue light triggers vegging rather than the absence of it triggering flowering. I'm not sure I'm right, but consider it both ways and see what you come up with. :-)
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
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Originally Posted by Mother
Considering blue light, I am working from a different assumption though. I believe that the presence of blue light triggers vegging rather than the absence of it triggering flowering. I'm not sure I'm right, but consider it both ways and see what you come up with. :-)
Hi mom. I'm with you, I think the blue light thing is confusing for me also.
I keep going outside at fall time (outdoors now) and the outdoor spectrum is getting more blue and more blue each day that passes. Not to mention it also keeps getting shorter and shorter each day by about 2 min's. I think this is the reason for this, Without the strong blue outdoor spectrum at fall time we as humans would starve IMO. The strong blue spectrum is what gives our food it's bulk and our favorite plant it's large yield outdoors. I now think of blue in a whole new light. I think of the blue light as being the horsepower of the mix. I know that really doesn't help much but that's my mind set now on the blue light.. Mother nature can't be wrong can she..:thumbsup:
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Hi Mom and Dog. ;)
Great to hear from both of you.
Mother, sorry for my poor math there. I always try to give 110% But it doesn't always work. :P On the level of modding the procyon you are right. Had i made this discovery of a possible Martian night earlier, i would have likely just started from scratch with cree's and drivers. Now that i have one Procyon i'm looking for a convienent way of utilizing it in this martian application. Also have plans to experiment with modulation of the pulse and gate in the frequency of the light. I have played with this on my home made arrays and there are some definate efficiency gains to be had in finding the right resonance in the circuit.
There are some interesting aspects to the penetration of light that can be obtained through frequency modulation. 660nm LEDs are being tagged as having a healing effect that can increase cell growth and repair in humans though dialing in a resonant frequency that different parts of our flesh respond to. There are lots of studys on this subject. I don't know enough to be an expert here at all i might add.
I am dying to have something to test on here! I could bring in some clones, but there will be a good chance of spyder mites coming with them. (drive me nuts) I guess for now I am forced to exhibit some patience and learn from your observations.
On the subject of the blue component, as long as we know that we don't need any in a Martian night, I feel pretty clear. That is the case no light above 500nm is required in a martian night?
Heya Sal, i don't envy your position in this. I believe you do have the answers we need. I understand your discrettion, but at this point I have to believe that we are still missing a pretty vital and substantial change in our experimental model that you can not disclose. I'm equating what your doing here to a warmer....colder....warmer (you know the one) game.
Peace.
And thanks for including me in this discussion. Great group here at Cannabis.com. :thumbsup:
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
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Originally Posted by Mother
89+21=110. You mean 79:21 or 89:11? Either way, reversing it between day and night seems a reasonable guess.
Yes Mother i was refering to part of an explaination that Knna gave in the "Perfect LED Grow light" thread.
I'm not positive of the context that he was using but i'm pretty sure he was refering to the nominal level of Red to Far-red during daytime lighting to achieve balanced photochrome levels of pr / pfr. I believe he was stating a phi ratio of .89 : .11 for normal daylight. ( I will attempt to find an exact quote)
My instincts are telling me that because we are already observing a response to an increase in Far-red to shorten the transisition to Flowering at night, then an increasing level of Far-red should prevail through out a prolonged Martian night if we are expecting to have the plant remain in a flowering state. *note* This is all purely hypothetical. I'm merely trying to think about how the plant might metabolize this light in nature. I'm just guessing that if we could have the Red / Far-red levels operate in an inversely proportional state at all times , then establish our optimal day time and night time levels and have them transisition over an 1hour peroid durning sun rise and sun set. This transistion would be executed at its mid point with one turn in the cycle of blue illumination (night/day).
This is the model i am preparing to develop. Please, anyone advise if this is in conflict with our general understanding of how a Marian night works.
Its another beautiful day! :stoned:
Peace!
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
:wtf: Opps. i wrote photochrome. Meant to say Phytochrome.
:stoned::stoned::stoned:
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Hi everyone. I was going to save this but here it goes. My uncle has been flowering a clone under an old 250hps unit he has for the past three weeks and get this. He is using this light cycle..... Are You Ready!!!!!...... 6 hours on 6 hours off and 6 hours back on again then 6 hours off. LOL... This is his light cycle for 24 hours. To my surprise the clone is flowering normal as can be.. He also is doing another clone under some t5's on this silly schedule. 3 on 3 off 3 on 3 off for the first 12 hours and then this light schedule repeats itself. Talk about funny. This plant is also flowering but the leaves look kind of different. I think it's the light coming on and off so many times doing this to the plant (not sure though). This light schedule is not to economical for an HID light IMO... You think..lol
What this has told my uncle and I is that plants calculate light in a 24 time frame. It don't matter to the plants what time of the day they recive it's light source just as long as the light on time doesn't go over the time frame for flowering. Did that make sense.
Didn't make sense to me at first ether..LOL SAAALLLLLLL help..
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Sal.... Have you ever seen this light. I saw it on ebay and the auction was going to end in 3 hours so I just used the old copy and paste mode for every one here too see;). Is this some sort of martin night type led light?
By the way the price WAS $2,500 wow.
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Rotary switch programming
Programs 0 -> 15, switch positions 0 -> F load with DOUBLE flash.
Switch Position Program
0 slave mode (momentary main bank on, push both switches; momentary IR on, push off switch)
1 24 hours on
2 22 hours on 2 hours off
3 20 hours on 4 hours off
4 19 hours on 5 hours off
5 18 hours on 6 hours off
6 17 hours on 7 hours off
7 16 hours on 8 hours off
8 15 hours on 9 hours off
9 14 hours on 10 hours off
A 12 hours on 12 hours off
B 10 hours on 14 hours off
C 24 hours off
D 24 hours, mains off, 24 hours Infrared on
E Demo, triple flash cycles with IR flashing 1/2 seconds
F Demo: 5 minute cycle: 2 minutes on, 1 minute of IR, 1 minute of dark, 1 minute of IR; Cycle again
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0 18 hour day @ 12 hours light; 6 hours darkness, IR flash 1/2 sec on 1/2 sec off
1 18 hour day @ 12 hours light; 6 hours darkness, IR flash 1 sec on 1 sec off
2 18 hour day @ 12 hours light; 6 hours darkness, IR flash 2 sec on 2 sec off
3 18 hour day @ 12 hours light; 6 hours darkness, IR flash 4 sec on 4 sec off
4 20 hour day @ 12 hours light; 8 hours darkness, IR flash 1/2 sec on 1/2 sec off
5 20 hour day @ 12 hours light; 8 hours darkness, IR flash 1 sec on 1 sec off
6 20 hour day @ 12 hours light; 8 hours darkness, IR flash 2 sec on 2 sec off
7 20 hour day @ 12 hours light; 8 hours darkness, IR flash 4 sec on 4 sec off
8 22 hour day @ 12 hours light; 10 hours darkness, IR flash 1/2 sec on 1/2 sec off
9 22 hour day @ 12 hours light; 10 hours darkness, IR flash 1 sec on 1 sec off
A 22 hour day @ 12 hours light; 10 hours darkness, IR flash 2 sec on 2 sec off
B 22 hour day @ 12 hours light; 10 hours darkness, IR flash 4 sec on 4 sec off
C 24 hour day @ 12 hours light; 12 hours darkness, IR flash 1/2 sec on 1/2 sec off
D 24 hour day @ 12 hours light; 12 hours darkness, IR flash 1 sec on 1 sec off
E 24 hour day @ 12 hours light; 12 hours darkness, IR flash 2 sec on 2 sec off
F 24 hour day @ 12 hours light; 12 hours darkness, IR flash 4 sec on 4 sec off
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Nice find Dog. Had a look at the pictures. I really, really wish i had 2499.00 to spare atm. :P
Wow.
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
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Originally Posted by thedudeman
Nice find Dog. Had a look at the pictures. I really, really wish i had 2499.00 to spare atm. :P
Wow.
Ya I know :wtf:....
What about the little guy.:rastasmoke:
First attempt at a 24-hour "Martian Method"
Mother....This light has some clock info for ya.. Also it looks like this light is not using the Martin Method from what I can tell. But put this light and the martin method together and......BAAAMM.:giggity:
