What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
You don't understand creationism. Not all answers in creationism/intelligent design refer to unknowns as "God's plan".
I'm agnostic btw, I don't believe in god but I don't deny the possibility of god or a higher being having influenced us.
Let me clarify.
I do not trust the judgement of the people who DO deny observable facts. For example, I do not trust the judgement of people who DO claim that the earth is actually 6000 years old, with the reason being that it says so in the Bible. There are methods for measuring the ages of things that show this to be false.
I do not trust the judgement of people who DO claim that all livings things were created in the exact form that they hold now, with the reason being that it says so in the Bible. There are fossils that show this to be false.
If someone wants to characterize themselves as a "creationist" but doesn't deny observable fact then I don't have a problem with their judgement. For example, if a person believes in intelligent design as the ultimate driver of evolution but accepts the actual facts that point to the age of the earth and that life has evolved over time, then I have no problem with that person's judgement at all. They are not necessarily a scientist, but they do not close their eyes to observable fact.
I would have a problem if they felt that thier personal belief should be taught as science, because their belief it is not rooted in the method of science.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
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I would have a problem if they felt that thier personal belief should be taught as science, because their belief it is not rooted in the method of science.
Even if that course was not a mandatory course but an elective course that students can OPT to take?
Also you keep seem to insinuate that Sarah Palin believes the world is only 6000 years old. Which is why I brought up you don't understand creationism. This seems to be one of your ultimate arguments against it; which in all honesty you don't know how extreme or reasonable she is when it comes to creationism and science.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Even if that course was not a mandatory course but an elective course that students can OPT to take?
Well it's absolutely not a science course, regardless of whether it is elective or not. Perhaps is it could be taught in a course about the scientific method itself, as an example of a belief that IS NOT a scientific theory. I kind of doubt that would get very far.
Even if it were not taught as science, I would not be in favor of it being taught in a public school. Generally, I think it is better that public schools steer clear of religious curriculum.
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Also you keep seem to insinuate that Sarah Palin believes the world is only 6000 years old. Which is why I brought up you don't understand creationism. This seems to be one of your ultimate arguments against it; which in all honesty you don't know how extreme or reasonable she is when it comes to creationism and science.
I had read it either in an earlier post or on another forum, so you are correct, I do not know from a credible source if she believes in an extreme form of creationism or not.
She did say in her 2006 campaign for Governor that she thought creationism should be taught as an alternative in schools, which I adamately disagree with. I do not think she actually pushed it as a policy once she was elected.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Not so fast Rusty! I know that Breukelen is anything but left wing.
There has to be more to this.
Was a poke at the vocabulary of the "average" (left wing) citizen. No slight to Breuk intended. :jointsmile:
Last I heard, Creationism was a religiously motivated political movement protected under the rights we all hold dear. Personally, I'd vote-in a Creationist, a Mormon, or a Bhudist...before voting in someone that has no "Higher Inspiration" than the polls, and the morals of the San Fransisco, Hollywood, or Chicago elite. But hey...that's just me. I'm guessing those in Alaska are aware of every nuance of her service and private life...and 80% of them harbor no ill will twords her. In fact they seem to like what she's done. Kinda hard to beat-up on that.
Reaching for straws...that seems all the democrats have left.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
I think Palin is probably going to have a big political career (just not VP!).
Mostly I don't think the VP picks add much to the ticket, but they can hurt. I don't think people change their vote to vote for a different presidential candidate based on the fact that they like the VP. I don't think Biden brings Obama very many votes, for example.
But VPs can hurt the ticket. I'm going to vote for Obama, but I think McCain is a decently respectable guy. Given a different Democratic candidate, I might have considered McCain, because he is a moderate and reformist and he himself is not an over-the-top social conservative. But I DO NOT like Sarah Palin's social conservative agenda. I would never consider voting for that whole ticket, especially given McCain's age and health. I don't think she will sway any on-the-fence voters for McCain, but she probably will help excite the unenthusistic social conservatives. And there is probably a good number of on-the-fence voters who will be repulsed by her.
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I think Palin is probably going to have a big political career (just not VP!).
McCain in "08" with Palin taking over in "12". She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska for a reason.
Have a good one!:s4:
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Please - lets not have another Creationism/ID debate... :wtf:
Must .... resist... posting
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
Please - lets not have another Creationism/ID debate... :wtf:
Must .... resist... posting
Ha ha! Be strong! I was weak and look what happened to me!
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
Creationist museum brings dinosaurs on board Noah??s Ark
The Winged Bull
Tom Baldwin in Washington
A vegetarian Tyrannosaurus rex frolicked alongside human beings only a few thousand years ago in the Garden of Eden until Eve decided to munch on that apple, according to the Creation Museum, which opens in Kentucky today.
The $27 million (£14 million) exhibition is funded by evangelical Christians, who apparently believe that by reclaiming dinosaurs and fossils for their literal biblical interpretation of natural history, teenagers are less likely to look at internet pornography or get pregnant out of wedlock.
This sprawling 50-acre (20hectare) site is the latest effort to counter the evolutionary science taught in state schools that Answers in Genesis, the religious group behind the museum, claims has chipped away at the nation??s moral fabric.
It uses much of the same technology seen in mainstream museums. There are realistic moving, roaring dinosaurs and a lifesized model of a ship being built by animatronic craftsmen. In this corner of northern Kentucky the dinosaurs get to go on the ship, which happens to be none other than Noah??s Ark.
Inevitably the museum, which hopes to receive 250,000 visitors a year, has attracted criticism from members of the scientific community, who plan to stage a ??rally for reason? outside the entrance today. Two petitions are in circulation among university lecturers complaining about the inaccuracies of the exhibits and efforts by the ??Religious Right to inject creationist teachings into science education?.
Although attempts to reintroduce an element of creationism ?? rebranded as ??intelligent design? ?? into science lessons have foundered, three of ten Republican presidential candidates said in a recent debate that they did not believe in evolution. Opinion polls show consistently that half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve but were created, along with all living creatures, by God 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.
The museum has a series of rooms depicting the darkening of a world that abandons a literal interpretation of the Bible. Two teenagers, apparently indoctrinated with evolutionary teaching, are shown at home. The girl is talking to Planned Parenthood and the boy is looking at pornography on a computer. These images culminate in a wrecking ball, labelled with the words ??millions of years?, smashing down a church.
Ken Ham, the Australian-born founder of Answers in Genesis, believes that the battle for minds should be fought among the very young because of children??s fascination with dinosaurs. These creatures have long since posed a ??test of faith? for creationists because of fossils suggesting that T.rex and suchlike walked the Earth ?? and then disappeared ?? millions of years before the Book of Genesis says that God spent six days making everything.
??Dinosaurs are one of the icons of evolution, but we believe they lived at the same time as people,? Mr Ham said. ??The Bible talks about dragons. We believe dragon legends had a basis in truth . . . We like to say, ??You??ve captured them for evolution, and we??re going to take them back.?? ? All those fossils, some of which are exhibited in the museum, were created not millions of years ago but by the biblical floods.
In one exhibit two palaeontologists ?? a light-skinned creationist and a dark-skinned evolutionist ?? are shown digging up a dinosaur skeleton and, of course, reach different interpretations. The message is that it is OK, even scientific, to defy evolution.
Eugenie Scott, director of the National Centre for Science Education, calls the museum ??the creationist Disneyland?. Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist at Case Western Reserve University, accuses it of spreading ??documented lies?.
Mr Hams says: ??Why do they worry about my little museum? They??ve got museums all over the world.?
Literal truth
?? The basis of creationism is belief in the Bible??s literal truth. Most creationists believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old
?? They believe that life did not evolve gradually through natural processes but was formed supernaturally by God
?? The only changes possible in plants and animals are negative ones of degradation or extinction
?? Natural processes are seen not as self-sustaining but as maintained daily by God. Miracles are thus seen as God's choice to do something differently
Sources: creationministries.org ; clarifyingchristianity.com
What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
I just want to say that I spent that last 30 minutes pouring my heart out... trying to explain my personal view on this topic. After all that time, and to be honest emotion, I accidentally clicked something and lost it all.
I'm late for going back to work now....
I just beat the fucking SHIT out of a notebook. I used to destroy things like doors and walls when I would get this mad. Luckily I've broken my knuckles, hands, and wrists so many times that I've downgraded to softer materials.
I don't think you all understand how :mad: I am right now. You know those posts when you know you said everything you wanted to say?
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!
hA HA HAha ha! That sucks! Yup I know exactly how that works!:D
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Reaching for straws...that seems all the democrats have left.
Reaching for ANYTHING! Get your forks out folks! The Democrats are DONE!
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
McCain in "08" with Palin taking over in "12". She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska for a reason.
Have a good one!:s4:
Exactly! I don't see McCain running for a second term, so whom better to defeat Billary in 2012. You do realize that she is the new "Bush Bag" for liberals to beat on for the next 8 years though!:jointsmile:
Breuk, I understand what you are saying, I don't agree with everything you are saying. I have never ever been to any church service of any kind to speak of. I am not real religious as you could probably tell from the "sweet feathery baby jesus" remarks and so on. I still don't agree, but thanks for the explanation, good guess on the religion thing huh?:jointsmile:
As for everyone else.
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