wait wait wait.....growing in an apartment complex?
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:wtf:
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wait wait wait.....growing in an apartment complex?
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:wtf:
You should kiss the ground and start to pray if you don't We are all modern day bootlegers but man she is not your mule. You should be paying her fees and hope for the best. That's the nobel thing to do.... Good Luck
If anyone should hand money over... I think she should pay him... for the value of the bud his plants would've produced. Her extreme recklessness resulted in his plants being stolen. And if he gets charged, she should cover his legal bills.
No one forced her to do anything. She agreed to watch over his plants, and she performed that duty with extreme recklessness and in a completely and wholly unreasonable fashion. Whatever may be said about how unreasonable it is to have a friend watch your plants for a couple days... blasting music/television in a grow location until the cops are called while smoking out the entire place is 100 times more unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by GreenLeaf420
I just want to say thank you to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Nothing new yet, her first court date is the 14th, I'll be there to see what goes down and report on that.
As far as her legal bills go, I could never even think about paying them. I think I already said we both go to a pretty prestigious (top 10) school and the tuition is well over $150,000 a year, I thankfully got some pretty good financial aide, but I am still going about $30,000 more into debt every year, and my family does not come from any sort of money. Neither of my parents graduated high school and I am just a guy who worked really hard to be able to get where I am thus far. That said, this girl has had to do none of this. She went to one of the most expensive private schools in the country and basically got her way bought into university. Her parents are pretty much rolling in the cash, so not only do they pay for all of her schooling, pretty much anything else she wants/needs. So I assure you they are already paying top dollar for this lawyer and its not hurting them any, and me paying them isn't going to help them in anyway besides furnishing new deck chairs on their yacht.
So I will not be paying for her legal bills. Not to mention the fact that because the cops came, a lot of my shit got destroyed including my bed and they completely trashed the place, also taking everything I had invested into my grow op, and some things that had nothing to do with the grow op like my airbed pump. It's all worth it to me if they don't come and arrest me in the middle of the night.
I pretty much bj said what's important to him in his post above.
jsn...I completely disagree with your analogy. ..paying him......lol. Please.
I'm done with this thread.....sad commentary on morality and personal repsonsibiliy in today's world.
It seems to me that what's done is done, and there's no point in making a martyr of yourself when it won't help another. Everyone is the wiser.
From the tone of all this, it sounds like Bijnas and Silly Girl are still communicating- that's good. Shit happens, and friends get each other THROUGH it even if they can't get each other OUT of it. If she misses classes because of court dates, hey, go pick up her assignments for her. Look out for her while she is otherwise occupied, the way you asked her to look out for you while you were away. That would be a reasonable thing to do.
Actually- there's an analogy.
Silly Girl misses class for xxx avoidable reason.
Silly Girl asks Bijnas to pick up assignment.
Bijnas gives her the wrong assignment through some stupidity or carelessness.
Silly Girl turns in a paper that gets an F because it wasn't the right one.
Whose fault was it that she failed? It was a dumb move on his part to give her the wrong assignment, but she should have been in class herself. They can now play the blame game until graduation. Or they can say, oh crap, we both fucked up, good thing we are still friends.
Bijnas, I sentence you to wear a hair shirt (monk fashion c. 900AD) until your friend is off probation. Self-flagellation optional. ;)
I got a dwi.. I do not feel it was my fault. As a matter of fact there is evidence that it was not my fault. The reason that initiated the officer pulling me over was that I swerved to avoid a pot hole at 1am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
At the time of arrest and testing I blew a .075 which is under the legal limit here. After blowing several times (officer kept telling me to retake the test) I finally hit .08.
Now I still contest that this wasn't my fault as I was not legally drunk.
After going through hell, paying $6k for my lawyer and having the case dropped I still feel ithis was not my fault.
To say I have not learned anything from that would be ignorant and foolish. Although I was below the legal limit the entire situation has made my wary and cautious. I rarely drink now and even if I do it's only 1-2 drinks before I stop.
Give the guy a break. I'm sure he understands the circumstances of growing in an apartment and I'm sure he'll learn plenty from this situation.
The only thing I take from your posts is that you're placing all the blame on bjinas; which a great portion is his. They were his plants, it was his apartment, and he did ask the wrong person to baby sit. All of this he's aware of and i'm sure he'll learn to go about it a different way.
I guess in a way I'm saying I don't think your posts have been very helpful and could be more of a stressor to him than anything else as you are only stating the obvious and berating him over it (or at least that is the way your text comes across to me, but this is the internet and you can never tell a persons demeanor through text).
Bjinas, good luck. You know everything that was wrong with this situation (whether it be your fault or not). Should you continue to grow I hope that you will be able to go about things better and more stealthily.
Actually it is a non issue. He's aware of the consequences. We all know what will happen if we get caught. If the *grower* is ok with that then it should not be an issue. It also shouldnt be an issue for anyone that is asked to babysit and then get's caught due to drawing attention by their own actions because they are also aware of the consequences yet they accepted the duty. She could've easily said no.Quote:
I can't agree, it is an issue. I understand (and sympathise) with your point about the cost of buying property where you live, but you need to remember that if you decide to risk growing in an apartment you don't own, you're increasing the chances that you could get caught.
So I can't agree with you. I do feel the situation could've been handled better but everyone involved knew what could happen and accepted those terms. There is no finger pointing needed here IMO.
Actually, Legally it's his responsibility. Morally everyone knew what was going on in that apartment. It's not like they were clueless parents who got arrested because their kid was growing in their house secretively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Everyone has the ability to say "No, sorry I'm not comfortable with that". In which case he obviously had to tell people what he had in his house. They knew of the consequences of getting caught.
So while part of the blame is on Bjinas, Morally... his friends getting caught is not his fault. They accepted the responsibility and the consequences when they agreed to help him.
While this might sound cold and callous I don't feel that it is.
the only two real mistakes Bjinas did was
1. Growing in an apartment and not concealing it well.
2. Picking the wrong person to assist him.
Anything else that happens to the other person is on them as they have accepted what may happen if they were to be caught by agreeing to take part in the grow (babysitting).
That being said... I don't think I would involve someone else in my grow, but that's because I'm secretive about it.. not because I think there is a moral dilema in it.
edit: Just to let everyone know I'm not some cold asshole. heh.. I would definitely feel bad about the situation but I wouldn't feel I did something morally wrong. Just legally and I would do everything in my power to help my friend; even if turning myself in would free them of charges (which it never would/will).
My argument was based on morality vs legality.
No one puts me in a bad situation but myself... I reserve the right to back out at anytime. I'm my own person and reserve the right to not do something if I feel uncomfortable or for whatever reason really.
This poor girl had the same rights.
This I don't agree with. She's already been taken to jail, have to pay a lawyer and will have this on her record for a little while. I feel this is enough to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
Money and buds can be recouped. Your legal record and freedom are a bit harder to regain.
While I agree with you that each party is responsible for themselves when they agree to participate in anyway.. I don't agree that she deserves more punishment than she's already receiving.
I do believe Bjinas should help her in any way possible (and I believe he is trying to help her in ways that he can.. at least judging by his posts).
I just have to say I'm amazed at how calm and restrained you've remained to all these other posters here Bjinas. You have more self control than I would've had in this situation.
I just want to be clear... I was not saying she should pay bijnas. It was claimed that bijnas had some moral responsibility to pay this girl. I disagree with that, and to make my point even more forcefully I said "if anyone should pay the other person she should pay him". That was a big "if". In reality, I don't think either of them needs to pay the other.
My only point is that it is not morally irresponsible to ask someone to watch your plants for a couple days. All indications are bijnas has been stealthy enough and there was no police surveillance of his grow or anything like that. In hindsight it turns out he didn't know the person as well as he thought he did. So he should never do that again... probably with anyone. He has learned, sadly, not to trust anyone every again concerning his grow.
But this girl was completely reckless and irresponsible by smoking out the entire house, blasting music or whatever at top decibel, ignoring neighbor's complaints, and practically begging the police to come find the plants she was growing for the weekend. She the primary person responsible not only for her own legal charges, but also for the plants being stolen and the apartment wrecked.
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Originally Posted by daihashi