John McCain

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Originally Posted by slavetopot

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
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Originally Posted by Beefer86

Because as a white American I find that the drug war is in the backburner of my priorities for a president. Because voting Barack Hussein Obama will do nothing to aleviate the drug war.

BECAUSE DECRIMINALIZATION OF CANNABIS IS PENTIARY AT BEST IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF LIFE. Get it now?

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

Yeah apparently not to everyone! That would be sad if that was absolutley the only thing you had any focus on in your life and that you made it the most important thing when considering electing a president.:wtf: If you do that, you might as well stop voting, you will be in for a life of dissapointment!:jointsmile:
You are better off concentrating all those energies locally and doing what you can locally to accomodate your marijuana passions.

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It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?

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hahahahaha well put!

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?

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somewhere, that there are rational sane liberals, well almost.;)
Being a fanatic myself though I know the truth!;)

If you aren't careful they are going to ban you from being a democrat, at least here on this forum!
I don't agree with alot of your political views at all, but I really admire how you bring conversation and in a sane rational manner, it's always a breath of fresh air to read your posts! I question how in touch with REALITY our community appears to be to the outside observer?
Our base in this community seems to be made up of really far out extremists, I support this with the fact that they all seem to think they are majority and are shocked when they hear any other kind of political opinion on these forums. Like, "oh my god!" "he's part of the neocon nazi douchebag conspiracy to get me seeds that poison small furry creatures" That so far to date, have done zilch advocating politically for marijuana, and have in fact set it back. Extremist need to mature, and come check back in with reality, figure out how to accept and work with the more mainstream people that are obviously apart of this community and will advocate for marijuana on both sides of the popular political spectrum. Once everyone realizes that you need to participate within the system as opposed to it, then we will see real change. Until then a very few will work for that while an apparently large enough numbers of others in this community will continue to be turds, thus continuing to reinforce false stereo types and making others ashamed and less creditable, thus continuing the tradition of doing nothing! 60 years and counting!:thumbsup:
For everyone person that may be a positive example of advocacy, there are 10 that are piss poor examples, at least that has been my first hand experience personally. :(
I think that's apparent in these forums as well.

Bush comes into office with the economy in fantastic shape, fucks that all up,Bush comes into office with over 5 billion dollars in the black, now we are $7,354,811,136,104.77 in the hole

The RepuGlican party is the party of Enron, career corporate criminals like Lay and skilling, government parasites like Frist that spend 40 years working for the government, sleazy televangelists that scam their congregations out of their hard-earned money like Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed/Weed and Jerry Falwell, hysterical screeching shrews like Phyllis Schafly and Anne bin Coulter, phony perverts like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh that pretend to be working class, Catholic priests that abuse little children, and Saudi Arabian sheiks.

Im surrounded by republicans, Its SOOO hard to keep a cool head when ANYTHING political comes up because they all re-gergitate the talking points they hear on fox noise and when challenged on the standard stupidness of those points they just start yelling, demonstrating that they really have very few points to stand on if any. My favorite thing these days is this animal like hatred for Hillary. I asked a reublican friend to actually tell me why she is so horrible (Just for the record I am voting for Obama cuz I think hillary has ventured too far to the right for me trying to look tough) but anyway I asked why and he couldn't give me a straight answer. I KNOW the answer ...it's because she didn't "know her place" when she was 1st lady and that drives the Jesus Freaks crazy and the Jesus Freaks drive the GOP so there ya go


A working person voting for a Republican is like a Chicken voting for Kentucky Fried Chicken as their favorite eatery!

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Originally Posted by slavetopot

Bush comes into office with the economy in fantastic shape, fucks that all up,Bush comes into office with over 5 billion dollars in the black, now we are $7,354,811,136,104.77 in the hole

The RepuGlican party is the party of Enron, career corporate criminals like Lay and skilling, government parasites like Frist that spend 40 years working for the government, sleazy televangelists that scam their congregations out of their hard-earned money like Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed/Weed and Jerry Falwell, hysterical screeching shrews like Phyllis Schafly and Anne bin Coulter, phony perverts like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh that pretend to be working class, Catholic priests that abuse little children, and Saudi Arabian sheiks.

Im surrounded by republicans, Its SOOO hard to keep a cool head when ANYTHING political comes up because they all re-gergitate the talking points they hear on fox noise and when challenged on the standard stupidness of those points they just start yelling, demonstrating that they really have very few points to stand on if any. My favorite thing these days is this animal like hatred for Hillary. I asked a reublican friend to actually tell me why she is so horrible (Just for the record I am voting for Obama cuz I think hillary has ventured too far to the right for me trying to look tough) but anyway I asked why and he couldn't give me a straight answer. I KNOW the answer ...it's because she didn't "know her place" when she was 1st lady and that drives the Jesus Freaks crazy and the Jesus Freaks drive the GOP so there ya go


A working person voting for a Republican is like a Chicken voting for Kentucky Fried Chicken as their favorite eatery!

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4 democrats have been elected since the 60's movement. None has done anything to ease our weedsmoking pleasure.

The reason for the surplus is the increased overall taxes of B. Clinton machine. The taxes I pay so that Obama may use it as hand outs if he were to be elected, just like Clinton did.

And those republicans you are talking about are slandering McCain and hoping for Huckabee. McCain is divorced and that doesnt sit well with the far right christian whackos youve described. Im not telling you who to vote for, but voting for someone solely because they may claim to legalize weed should be punishable by death.

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Originally Posted by slavetopot

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

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That is a good question. aside from the whole weed thing i agree with pretty much everything McCain stands for, no torture, fight a war to win or get the hell out and i even agree with him and 43 about the border, and i like that fact that he seems to be gunning for the lobbyist that control DC-land and this really has them peeing their panties. :D

but most of all McCain promised not to leave any of the terrorist hiding in the weeds . . . i take him at his word on that.

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Originally Posted by Beefer86

4 democrats have been elected since the 60's movement. None has done anything to ease our weedsmoking pleasure.

The reason for the surplus is the increased overall taxes of B. Clinton machine. The taxes I pay so that Obama may use it as hand outs if he were to be elected, just like Clinton did.

And those republicans you are talking about are slandering McCain and hoping for Huckabee. McCain is divorced and that doesnt sit well with the far right christian whackos youve described. Im not telling you who to vote for, but voting for someone solely because they may claim to legalize weed should be punishable by death.

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Actually Jimmy Carter was pretty damn close. If it wasn't for his aid with the coke scandal, marijuana would've been decriminalized to a degree. Then Jimmy lost, and well Reagan launched that hardcore anti-drug campaign.

"Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear that in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use."

Jimmy Carter to Congress, 8/2/77."

It's easy to say that Obama would use "handouts." Handouts is such a dumb thing to refer to such a program. The welfare system is pretty corrupt, but those who oppose it forget who's in place for. I doto being productive in society. It's for those that are unable to work, deteriorating health conditions and such. Imagine getting a long-term illness, that causes you to not be able to work. Should we let the person die because "I don't want to give a handout." When you refer to such programs, you don't have a firm grasp of what the purpose of this program is for. It doesn't mean to raise taxes, but to call for more efficient, and stringent standards to get these "handouts.' There is a huge amount of fraud, abuse and waste going on in local, state, and federal levels, but instead of complaining about corruption, you imply the system should be dealt away. America is no longer 1789, lots of land and resources yet to be found. Now there are limits, and we must learn to live within our means in regards to everything. America income taxation rate is the same as countries in Europe and we get half the services they do. It's because of inefficiency and corruption of this government. It's particularly dreadful. When I refer to corruption, I refer to fraud, waste, and abuse of funding.

But whos to say that weed isn't a singular issue with some people. People want to live free and in peace, without worrying about destroying their lives just because of a little dope. It could cause great financial, and social implications. To some it would be important, as someone with a serious health ailment would have health care as a priority. Issues like this don't come up from thin air, people's life experiences surround them. It's a bit harsh to announce that voting for someone solely for legalizing weed should be punished by death.

Legalizing marijuana is not the only reason I dislike the GOP, I will attempt to give you a few of the reasons now.
The 28 GOP Senators that voted to eliminate the US minimum wage. In a vote that showed just how contemptuous many republicansâ?? have become of poor and working class Americans, the following Senators (who â??earnâ?� $165,200 per year plus generous benefits) voted to eliminate the federal minimum wage on January 24, 2007:
What about Alberto Gonzales? In the history to the United States, no attorney general has disgraced the office more spectacularly than Alberto Gonzales. Rather than serving the interests of one man: George BUSH. For egregious violations of constitutional and statutory laws, for attempting to remake the justice department into an arm of the RNC and for brazenly perjuring himself when called before congress to answer for these crimes, Gonzales should be indicted, tired, convicted and imprisoned.



Owing his election as Democratic leader to a time when the Dems were in the minority and it just didn't matter that much, the "leadership" of Harry Reid has proved nothing short of disastrous for those hoping to reverse the excesses of the Bush regime. This has been glaringly illustrated by the recent controversy over telecom amnesty. In brief, the Bush regime wants to indemnify the telecom companies for their complicity in illegal spying on American citizens. As expected, Senate Republicans are enthusiastic about rubber-stamping this amnesty -- without even knowing the full extent of the abuses. Oddly, Senator Reid (along with Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller,D-WV) also seem eager to embrace this amnesty. Luckily, principled senators like Dodd and Feingold are resisting this shameful sell-out to powerful corporate interests.


I got a whole lot more examples of why I don't support the GOP. When Bush sends his own daughters to the army and they spend some time in the mid-east in a tent, than maybe I will listen to him. Mean time he is a bad leader.

I take it back, Slavetopot. You are not just a slave to pot. I don't agree with everything you said, but obviously you've thought more about the election than just asking, "who's goonna legalize weed?"

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Originally Posted by slavetopot

... For egregious violations of constitutional and statutory laws, for attempting to remake the justice department into an arm of the RNC and for brazenly perjuring himself when called before congress to answer for these crimes, Gonzales should be indicted, tired, convicted and imprisoned.

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I completely agree. they might also want to round up carl and george while their at it. From what I understand, nearly all Presidents weed out the judicial section and plant their own new crop at the beginning of their term, but what happened here, late in the term, is new and exploits one of the many mechanisms of the "Patriot Act". It is a disgrace, and as you mentioned, one of the many reasons to distrust the GOP and one of the many many reasons that I am an independent.

The last several presidents have had no respect for the Constitution of the United States. I am hopeful McCain will have a bit more since he did go to combat to defend it.

As far as Cannabis laws go, I am happy with each State setting their own standards that work for them. Some have called this the stealth revolution thinking that the real agendy is the breaking down of all federal law, but I disagree. There is certainly a place for the federal gov't in building interstate highways and keeping our collective air and water clean, but the size and scope of it need to be pruned back significantly.

let freedom grow