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another thing is if guns are illegal they will still be on the black market and they will still be around, but just a good family house hold wont beable to defend themselfs, what are they supposed to do call 911 and wait 10 minutes, tell the robbers to wait 10 minutes to start shooting til the cops get their with equal ammunition
Guns do increase the risk of violence, and if more responsible people owned guns they would be shooting the criminals that deserve it. I have no problem seeing violence against criminals increase ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ATrain
Banning guns is against the US constitution, it will never happen without a revolution which would result in far more violence than giving guns to every citizen would. Trust me, I am an American, and I know the American mentality. There is a good reason we have that saying "If you want my gun, you will have to take it off my cold, dead body." Giving up our guns would be giving up on a core American right, it just won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATrain
Exactly, it is illegal to have firearms on airplanes. However, if the crew on the airlines were armed in the rare event of a hijacking, they could have defended themselves, as well as their hijackers targets. 9/11 could have been prevented if the crew was allowed to have a system of self defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATrain
But the primary reason people should own guns isn't so much because of terrorism, terrorism is extremely rare, but what isn't rare are robberies, freeway shootings, etc. Many of these instances could be settled by an armed citizen, but instead we must rely on an over-stretched police force and weak laws that don't serve justice and therefor don't discourage criminals from their behavior.
This is a prefect example of the bad side of the internet, discredited nonsence gets repeated over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATrain
Handguns are 43 times more likely to kill a family
member than a criminal
Fact: Of the 43 deaths reported in this flawed study, 37 (86%) were suicides.
Other deaths involved criminal activity between the family members (drug deals gone bad).
Fact: Of the remaining deaths, the deceased family members include felons, drug dealers, violent spouses committing assault, and other criminals.
Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator.100 This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed than hurt a family member.
Females are more likely to be murdered when a gun is in the homeQuote:
~ Domestic violence is more likely to be lethal if there is a gun in the home. For women, the risk of being killed if there is a gun in the home is increased by 172 percent. (Firearm Related Deaths: The Impact of Regulatory Reform)
Fact: This ??study? used three non-random counties, a limited (266) case file, began with only cases where a death was involved, and had many other statistical weaknesses.
Fact: This ??study? also notes that the majority (54%) of the homicides were committed without firearms.
Fact: This ??study? concluded that ??household use of illicit drugs and prior domestic violence increase the risk of homicide.?
You are more likely to be injured or killed using a gun for self-defense
Fact: You are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun. In episodes where a robbery victim was injured, the injury/defense rates were:
Resisting with a gun 6%
Did nothing at all 25%
Resisted with a knife 40%
Non-violent resistance 45%
Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women
Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.
Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed,compared to 32% when unarmed.
Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.
Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.
Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.
Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year.
I just want to add that the reason why our right to bear arms is so important is that it keeps the government from getting to big and controlling. When every citizen is armed, the government fears the people, and that is the way it was meant to be, not the people afraid of the government.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
Food for thought;
**In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated. **
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**In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated. **
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**Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated. **
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**China** established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated **
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**Guatemala** established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated. **
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**Uganda** established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated. **
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**Cambodia** established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one
million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated **
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**Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million. **
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**It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in: **
**List of 7 items: **
**Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent **
**Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent **
**Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! **
**In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! **
**While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed **
**There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. **
**You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information. **
**Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. **
**Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! **
**The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
them of this history lesson. **
**With guns, we are 'citizens'. **
**Without them, we are 'subjects'. **
**During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED! **
^Excellent post! By the way, I don't own any guns, (yet), but my friend has a decent little collection. I always joke with him that I'm going to his house when China invades us lol
I'm really surprised by what a vast majority supports allowing assault weapons. Would anybody like to enlighten me as to why you feel they're necessary? Assault weapons are generally automatic right?
I just don't understand it. Having Ak's available, you could mow down 30 people with ease and take on a whole group of cops. I would think handguns, shotguns, and rifles are more than sufficient for defense.
Handguns, shotguns, and rifles are for sport.........
Assault weapons are weapons of war..... they are best left to law enforcement and military
ITS NOT ABOUT THE OUTLAWS HAVING GUNS IF THEIR IS A GUN BAN
the problem is you take away a citizens guns, now that citizen must fully rely on the government for their protoection. If the government want to force you to do something, they can cause the citizens dont have guns. Why do you people just say "America nope we will never be fascist state, cause its America. Its happened before, many democracies have become fascist regimes and its always done through laws, executive orders, and presidential directives. Everything hitler did to obtain power was legal. Dont take your freedom for granted. Everyone should have guns. Our democracy is a system of checks and balances and an armed citizenry is that check on government and according to HR 1955 i could be considered a terrorist for that statement.
Gun Control doesn't work. Drugs are illegal, yet people continue to use them. What people fail to grasp is psychopathic serial killers who shoot women shopping in malls don't abide by gun laws. Hell, Virginia Tech was a "gun free zone". Hence the reason he killed 20 or so people with a 9MM.
In todays world it is not only a right for responsible trained citizens to own a firearm and get a concealed carry, it is becoming a responsibility. A defenseless public is not a safe one.
Statistics in the United States show that criminals are more likely to rob/rape you/murder you if you aren't armed. On top of that, Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns.
Lastly, over 56 million people have been murdered by their own governments in the 20th century.
Also, I think we've all read the horror stories of holocaust victims hiding defenseless in dumpsters and attics, only to be escorted to deathcamps by the nazis.