How were you created?

My mom and dad combined their egg and sperm.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

But of course God doesn`t need a creator. God is the only thing that gets a free pass on this implication because it suits your view. Why does the rationality stop at god, why can it not stop at the existence of a universe?

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It doesn't stop at God. If I didn't believe that God created the world, I could easily accept that the world has always been.
But since I know that God created heaven and the earth, and the world was formed by God, I know that God existed before the heaven and the earth.

But who's to say that the universe hasn't always been? God is invisible. Why can't Gods' existence consist of the universe? To me, it's very logical that the universe is a part of God's existence. I mean since God always existed, didn't he need to be somewhere? I think God always existed in the universe. I think that if God is eternal, so is the universe. Food for thought. :jointsmile:

Imagine that you're walking along in a field, and you come upn a watch on the ground. You pick it up and admire its complexity, apparently contrived by an intelligent designer for a particular purpose - that of telling time. It would not occur to you to imagine that such an object had literally been there forever and had never been brought into existence at all. That would be ludicrous.

Nor would it enter your mind that such a complex set of interworking parts just happened to come into their structural relationship and thus come into being as a watch merely by the outworkings of chance.

You'd assume instead that the mechanism had been designed and assembled by a highly intelligent and very skilled being - a person - and that it was such a being who most likely was responsible in some way for its being in the field.

The natural world around us contains many apparently complex and seemingly well-designed working structures that appear to serve well various purposes. Again, it is improbable that these natural processes and structures have been here forever or ot have been produced by blind chance, as it would the watch to either lie in the field forever, or to have come together by chance. The conclusion, is there is a divine watchmaker, a divine designer, behind the mechanisms of nature responsible for the designs we see there.

As a house imples a builder, and a garment a weaver, and a door a carpenter, so does the existence of the Universe imply a creator.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

Imagine that you're walking along in a field, and you come upn a watch on the ground. You pick it up and admire its complexity, apparently contrived by an intelligent designer for a particular purpose - that of telling time. It would not occur to you to imagine that such an object had literally been there forever and had never been brought into existence at all. That would be ludicrous.

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But if I walked through a field and picked up.... let's say, a rock, would I come to the same conclusion? One could literally come to the conclusion that "Wow, this thing seems like it's been here forever!" Your example only works if one picks up an object that they deem to be complex.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

Nor would it enter your mind that such a complex set of interworking parts just happened to come into their structural relationship and thus come into being as a watch merely by the outworkings of chance.

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Given billions of years (and billions more), sure. Since time keepers exist naturally in the real world (like the quartz from a watch), why can something not happen accidentally? there have been many inventions that happened from accidents, not every invention was thought up for a specific purpose.

Would a watch be crafted the way a human would make it? probably not, but could something arise that has the same function. Again, quartz is a good example. it keeps time because of its vibrations. our invention turns the quartz' vibration into the way we keep time.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

The natural world around us contains many apparently complex and seemingly well-designed working structures that appear to serve well various purposes. Again, it is improbable that these natural processes and structures have been here forever or ot have been produced by blind chance, as it would the watch to either lie in the field forever, or to have come together by chance. The conclusion, is there is a divine watchmaker, a divine designer, behind the mechanisms of nature responsible for the designs we see there.

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Again, complex is generally subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

The wheel could be viewed as complex, yet can occur naturally. A somewhat straight tree, on its side, functions as a wheel.

Levers can occur naturally. A Tree that falls onto a rock can become a lever.

So wheels and levers have existed for quite some time, man just figured out how to use what was already there.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

As a house imples a builder, and a garment a weaver, and a door a carpenter, so does the existence of the Universe imply a creator.

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do you copy and paste this?

I have no problem in someone believing that the universe was intelligently, that's fine. But to say that it was the *only* way, and then to say that you know *for sure*, and then proceed to *know* what is in this beings heart, drawn on conclusions based from assumptions... that is something that I have a problem with.

I was just saying that since God is omnipotent, he is the universe. The universe is filled with his presence. There had to be substance and evidence of his existence. I'm not saying that the universe is where "God dwells", I'm saying that he was always there. Therefore his existence (substance and evidence) was always present. You can't put a beginning to his existence, nor did he need anything for him to exist. I'm saying that what we see as "life" has always been, cause he has always been. I'm reasoning because the word "universe" is not in the bible. I think that what man has labeled universe, has always been there. This is different than him creating the heavens and the earth. I'm just saying that his presence was always there, so why do we have to put a beginning to the universe?

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Yes, jokes mean immaturity. none of us have discussed this much at all in this section of the website. And besides your poll asked how I was created, not people or life in general.

Having said that, my mom and dad boned each other, :D

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boned each other?? only men can bone...am i missing something ??daddy/ daddy=mommy?? who knows

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Given billions of years (and billions more), sure. Since time keepers exist naturally in the real world (like the quartz from a watch), why can something not happen accidentally? there have been many inventions that happened from accidents, not every invention was thought up for a specific purpose.

Would a watch be crafted the way a human would make it? probably not, but could something arise that has the same function. Again, quartz is a good example. it keeps time because of its vibrations. our invention turns the quartz' vibration into the way we keep time.

Again, complex is generally subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

The wheel could be viewed as complex, yet can occur naturally. A somewhat straight tree, on its side, functions as a wheel.

Levers can occur naturally. A Tree that falls onto a rock can become a lever.

So wheels and levers have existed for quite some time, man just figured out how to use what was already there.

do you copy and paste this?

I have no problem in someone believing that the universe was intelligently, that's fine. But to say that it was the *only* way, and then to say that you know *for sure*, and then proceed to *know* what is in this beings heart, drawn on conclusions based from assumptions... that is something that I have a problem with.

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really anything worth using was crafted by people, and with out manipulation of diffrent things nothing would exist. so wrong again as usual, cause it takes something with a brain or higher knowledge to try diffrent things out or there would still be just trees and rocks.so from the way u believe if we wait long enough buildings will build them selfs like humans evolved into them selfs right i mean if u wait long enough the food will cook it's self too i bet the bottom line is if sumthing with a higher knowledge does'nt manipulate "matter" meaning god then none of this would be here now.name 1 thing that man has not touched that has advanced humans foward in anyway??

You want deep, Reefer Rogue?

I merely cultivated from the land. I'm a biological product of the planet's waste. Actually, no. I was hand crafted by the Lord. He stuck his mighty fingertips into clay, brought them to a point and viola! A spiritual being was created.

God created Adam out of the dust of the ground and we are all offsprings of him. :s2:

How was the universe and humanity created except for God? Has it been here forever? Has humanity? What was before the big bang? It seems illogical that i was simply thrown into existence, on a whim, on a chance.