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Love. They don't want to see their fellow man in a lake of fire. My dad's side of the family is constantly trying to convert me, but they're only doing it because they love me. They mean well, so I never question their intentions, as i know they're good intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
If there is a god, this is the only doctrine i'd be able to see as truth, because it makes sense. The almighty, a truly perfect being, has no place for an ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
I love your cogent argument. And your isomorphism tickles me pink!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Thanks, now I have to look up the word "isomorphism" :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bhouncy
There are quite a few definitions, but I'll take it to mean something close to "analogy" :p
I made the example up on the spot too :D
what you just said proves my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhouncy
Please remind me of your point. That nobody knows what is going on and people can be easily led to believe in absolutely anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
thank you for proving my point exactly...
also, this part actually did make me lol... you have no proof either... and i never claimed to have proof... i also clearly stated i'm not trying ot change anyone's opinion i'm merely stating my own..Quote:
You need to follow your own advice and humble yourself to the things that are true. You come to the table without any evidence at all.
this is a message board after all.. and message boards are for sharing opinions....
but yeah, that made me lol... you don't have proof, and neither do i... cuz it's literally impossible to obtain proof either way... it's literally impossible for me to once and for all prove he doesn't exist, and he still has not shown himself for all to see clearly.... as in say, appearing in a mile high body of celestial appearance.. you can say he's everything and all around, but until he shows himself in soemthing that cannot be explained by ANYTHING (such as a mile high half transparent figure) you don't have proof... you have faith..
perhaps you should REALLY look up faith in the dictionary, then look up proof... hell.. i'll do it for you...
FAITH -
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
??Idiom9. in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.
PROOF -
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.
7. an arithmetical operation serving to check the correctness of a calculation.
8. Mathematics, Logic. a sequence of steps, statements, or demonstrations that leads to a valid conclusion.
9. a test to determine the quality, durability, etc., of materials used in manufacture.
10. Distilling. a. the arbitrary standard strength, as of an alcoholic liquor.
b. strength with reference to this standard: ??100 proof? signifies a proof spirit, usually 50% alcohol.
11. Photography. a trial print from a negative.
12. Printing. a. a trial impression, as of composed type, taken to correct errors and make alterations.
b. one of a number of early and superior impressions taken before the printing of the ordinary issue: to pull a proof.
13. (in printmaking) an impression taken from a plate or the like to show the quality or condition of work during the process of execution; a print pulled for examination while working on a plate, block, stone, etc.
14. Numismatics. one of a limited number of coins of a new issue struck from polished dies on a blank having a polished or matte surface.
15. the state of having been tested and approved.
16. proved strength, as of armor.
17. Scots Law. the trial of a case by a judge alone, without a jury.
??adjective 18. able to withstand; successful in not being overcome: proof against temptation.
19. impenetrable, impervious, or invulnerable: proof against outside temperature changes.
20. used for testing or proving; serving as proof.
21. of standard strength, as an alcoholic liquor.
22. of tested or proven strength or quality: proof armor.
23. noting pieces of pure gold and silver that the U.S. assay and mint offices use as standards.
??verb (used with object) 24. to test; examine for flaws, errors, etc.; check against a standard or standards.
25. Printing. prove (def. 7).
26. to proofread.
27. to treat or coat for the purpose of rendering resistant to deterioration, damage, etc. (often used in combination): to proof a house against termites; to shrink-proof a shirt.
28. Cookery. a. to test the effectiveness of (yeast), as by combining with warm water so that a bubbling action occurs.
b. to cause (esp. bread dough) to rise due to the addition of baker's yeast or other leavening.
religion has not been tested to a point to where anything is proof... and quite frankly that's all there is to it... a 2000+ year old book is not proof... proof is something solid, something tangible, something that can be tested, and confirm... there are no tests you could apply to faith to make it proof... well not that will help us anyways... the only real test is following the teachings and finding out if you were right when you die. but since no one's going to be able to confirm either way after they die to the rest of the living world, there is no test applicable here....
dunno why you're having such a hard time understanding this concept...
LOGIC -
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.
5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts.
6. Computers. logic circuit.
just for the record.... we are more 'logical' becuase there's alot more proof pointing towards no god, then there is of a god existing... that's called logic... does logic mean it's always right? NO not by any means or in any way... but with the solid evidence present to us, the logical answer is he's not here. simply because the book is completely contridictory... he loves his chlidren, but lets them suffer. he's all forgiving and loving, but if you do wrong he will condemn you to eternal torture... there is no real case for there beign a god... you just have some words written in a book.... a book which makes alot of statements, but hardly ever coincides with life as we know it...
First of all, words have a natural and a spritual meaning to them. Faith on an earthly level can go in and out. People can believe in God and then after learning more they stopped believing in God. Faith on a spiritual level is a person, and he has comforted us and told us that he would never leave us. So if someone was truly baptized with the Holy Ghost, the word of God tells us that it's a permanent thing. So my proof always go back to the word of God. So if you can try to understand, Faith being a person is the substance and evidence inside the person. The spiritual being himself makes the substance and evidence. Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Alot of religious people on here don't get it about Jesus being the Holy Spirit. He's not only God the son. He tells us that where two or three gathered together in his name, that he is there in the midst. How can this be possible? He does not mean that he will be there physically, Jesus is claiming to be the Holy Spirit.
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On a completely different topic, :stoned:
I was out watering and saw a beautiful rainbow. It is comforting to know that the waters that destroyed the earth, will never happen again. What does science tells us about the rainbow?
All of which is generally up for interpretation on a person by person basis, because what we see as a rainbow is just our perception of light traveling through something that causes refraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
What I see as blue, might not be the same thing that is blue to you. And we have no way of ever knowing what another person see's and how they see it. Colorblindness is a lovely thing that caused lots of debate in one of my philo classes back in the day.
How do you explain to a person who is color blind what colors are, and what they look like? And how do we know that they have the problem, and we dont? Also, if no one had told this person that colors did exist, how would they have ever known? They couldnt know what colors are unless an external force explained or showed them to them. So they could live their entire lives, without ever knowing colors existed in the way we do, and that would be their reality.