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I like cheese, and I like bacon. All those around me shall like cheese and bacon, for it is what our Lord says is true. Those who do not share me and my lords love for cheese and bacon are sinners, and shall burn in the firey depths of Yoko Ono's recording studio.
- Me... about 20 seconds ago
I dont understand nor do I wish to, so I'll just post random shit.
Yep, the guy who has a Major in Philosophy and a minor in World Religions doesnt understand, nor has any desire to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
Understand that you can not make a valid point by referencing quotes from the bible or anything similar... It wasnt written by God, but by man, who is flawed, and susceptible to many faults.
"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
..uh i didnt major in philosophy or even take world religeons, but if I did it wouldnt matter because human knowlage is irrelevant.
Human knowledge is all we have. Its due to your "irrelevant human knowledge" that you even know anything these things in regards to religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
See what you are doing right now is backpeddling. You didnt get the joke, or choose to ignore it for the sake of commenting back, that I made in regards to your religious quotes.
Just to spell it out for you though...
Anyone can make up quotes. And the wonderful thing about a book such as the bible or any scriptures is there is no way to prove or disprove anything that happened. Minus the whole great flood thing, unless im mistaken they have proven that it couldnt have happened when the Bible said it did.
Quotes from the bible, hell even the bible itself are meant to be things to help you through life. Not something to take completely literally, but something to help you lead a good life. Anecdotes and such to help bring some clarity to what a good life should be, in regards to that specific religion.
If Gods exist, and lets for the sake of fairness assume that any and all gods that have been believed in exist... how do you explain the differences in rules and practices that each God has laid down? Is one God wrong and the other right? One arguement might be that they are all the same God, but if that is true, then that just means that anything written down about a God(s) can not be true... because why would the same God tell different people different things in regards to how it all went down, and the rules that must be followed? Sounds to me like men meddling with other men through the use of a "greater power"'s voice.
And yes, I know you have repeatedly stated that religions themselves are corrupt and whatnot, but if you truely believed that, why are you not quoting from other religions scriptures instead of just ONE specific religion and its texts?
PS: I know I might seem combative in my posts, but I truely am not. I just find that being "soft and kind" in a discussion doesnt get anyone anywhere.
Looks like a struck a nerve, human knowlage isnt all we have, its all you care to look at.
What else do we have? Faith? Faith is based on proported knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
One of the definitions for faith from dictionary.com. Without knowledge, you wouldnt be on this computer. Without knowledge, odds are you wouldnt even know about any such thing as Gods as are known today, or in the past. You wouldnt have "immaculate" records such as the bible, or anything else. Without knowledge, you could not speak, without knowledge you could not think, without knowledge your life would be more pointless then a rock sitting in the middle of no where.Quote:
the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
Even animals hold knowledge, and those with the most knowledge are found in positions of power, with the other animals recongizing their knowledge and yeilding before it.
One entire modern day religion is based upon the idea of knowledge. The first Buddha was a normal man, such as you and I, who through meditation and other methods, gained knowledge and arised to become The Buddha. He learned of nirvana, and was able to obtain it. Without knowledge, he wouldnt even know what the word nirvana was, or what a word was for that matter.
As has been proven time and time again, man interjects God and religion into his life when he lacks the knowledge and answers he needs to comprehend the things around us. Roman and Greek gods anyone? Or do you think that they existed as well? If so, wouldnt that mean that christian God is a liar? Or if nothing else, a very jealous protective person, not wanting to lose any of his flock, or why else have a commandment stating that you can worship no one but him?
And apparently you have some reading comprehension problems, as I flat out stated that I am not upset, nor have you "struck a nerve". I am having, or at least trying to have, a normal, competent, legitimate discussion with you. There is no need to try to bring in a person's emotional state, or what is running through their head in such a conversation, unless one is standing on a weak arguement, or has no interest in having a legit conversation to begin with.
I disagree that knowledge is all we need. I strongly agree that knowledge is power, but it is what we do with that knowledge that counts. How do we apply it for our benefit and the betterment of mankind?
Also, it is experience that teaches us how to apply our knowledge. Reality has a way of tempering 'knowledge', and it can be difficult to merge the two.
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel J Boorstein
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Albert Einstein
Caveat: I believe in learning something new every day, so I treasure knowledge and encourage all to seek it. Just understand that raw knowledge (information/data) is only useful when we have a known pattern to view it in, it is that experience which gives that knowledge usefulness to us.
Peace.
Our experience, which we use to teach us how to apply "knowledge", is knowledge in itself. Knowledge doesnt have to be about knowing the equation to explain the universe and all that happens in it, it can be as simple as knowing how to read, knowing how to breathe, or anything else that you can apply the word knowing to, bam, theres knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajMike
Now knowledge isnt neccessarily right or wrong. A person can know something, and know it wrong, just as easily as they can know something and have it be right.
PureEvil knows that there is a God(s). It matters little if he is right or wrong, that is his knowledge, everything he does is based upon it. You cant base something in your life on something you dont know, you dont know it, so it cant have an effect on your life by your decision.
I'm sorry to announce out today that the Bible and Jesus are indeed fiction..oh well..Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760