Ugh, BOYS piss me off.

Heyhey, guys suffer their share of unfair double standards, too.

Women can bash the shit out of men, (as BFA has done), and it's generally accepted. Now, in one of the 100000000 examples of straight white males getting fucked over in today's world, the vice versa of that would not be tolerated.

Also, while I am very against violence, I think guys get a harder time for it. Girls hit their boyfriends all the time and yet no one gives a shit!! And I know what the counter-argument will be, but not all women are 5 feet tall...some that I know are 6 feet tall and pretty damn strong!

Not once has a person of the male gender ever insulted me or tried to make me feel inferior based upon my female gender. However, I have seen and heard many disrespectful, hurtful things aimed at men, coming from women. In my opinion, it is men who are quickly becoming the most discriminated against group, and I am sick of hearing about sexism against women. "Sexism" doesn't exist in my world because I refuse to acknowledge or participate in it. If it happens to exist in your world, talking about it and how angry it makes you only perpetuates it.

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

Heyhey, guys suffer their share of unfair double standards, too.

Women can bash the shit out of men, (as BFA has done), and it's generally accepted. Now, in one of the 100000000 examples of straight white males getting fucked over in today's world, the vice versa of that would not be tolerated.

Also, while I am very against violence, I think guys get a harder time for it. Girls hit their boyfriends all the time and yet no one gives a shit!! And I know what the counter-argument will be, but not all women are 5 feet tall...some that I know are 6 feet tall and pretty damn strong!

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Agreed! If it is acceptable for a man to defend himself against another man by hitting him, than it is acceptable for a man to defend himself against a woman who is attempting to harm him.

Any woman who thinks a man shouldn't hit her back if she's hitting him is an idiot. 1. Don't hit people in the first place. 2. By claiming that you are a poor weak female who can't handle getting hit by a much stronger man, are you not acknowledging inferiority? At least in one respect?

i think most men are stupid and they should be beaten and bludgeoned. i think the same goes for most people, penis or vagina regardless u should have the shit kicked out of u if ur a stupid fuck

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

BFA did make a generalization about the entire gender, which isn't fair, it's true. Fortunately there are lots and lots of great men out there. What BFA was responding to, however--and you'll probably better understand her reaction after reading this, 420Marijuana420--was this particular post, including information above and below it.
http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality...ml#post1479936

Down below, he backpedals and says he was addressing a problem with the direction of mass culture. But in the previous thread, he was specicially identifying what he saw as a problem with women and their lack of "training" by men. You can try and sprinkle sociological sugar on it now, BA, but it still reflects really frightening attitudes, no matter how harmonious you profess your relationships with women are.

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When I started reading this thread I said to myself, I'm simply going to post "This is Slow, not saying anything" but uuuugggggg!

Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?

so, yeah, this is me trying oh so hard to keep my mouth shut. Only one thing original I want to add..

The people of the world are a rainbow. There are politically correct men and women who love them. There are knuckle draggers and women who love them as well. Then there are the rest of us who simply try to love our women as best we can, for all our faults and all the faults, real or imagined, that we see in them. BFA, you need to find out who you are and what kind of man you can love, then go find him.

- Slow -

Well I'll clarify on my "never EVER" hit a girl policy, and remove the "EVER". I'll never hit one no matter how mad, I'll restrain one that attacks me, and if that's not possible because she's nuckin' futs, then yes I'll bust out the kung fu:p

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Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit

When I started reading this thread I said to myself, I'm simply going to post "This is Slow, not saying anything" but uuuugggggg!

Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?

so, yeah, this is me trying oh so hard to keep my mouth shut. Only one thing original I want to add..

The people of the world are a rainbow. There are politically correct men and women who love them. There are knuckle draggers and women who love them as well. Then there are the rest of us who simply try to love our women as best we can, for all our faults and all the faults, real or imagined, that we see in them. BFA, you need to find out who you are and what kind of man you can love, then go find him.

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EXCELLENTLY put! One of the best defences of men will be men that I've heard.

Oh and btw, BFA is pissed off by boys, but she's fine to bang a crackhead loser. I think the original statement loses all credibility with that knowledge.

(Sorry, I just can't tolerate an attack on males in general).

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Birdgirl, didn't you just say in your previous post that neaderthal behavior in men is usually attributed to the less educated??? Do we men need more training by the liberal, politically correct intelligentsia? Is this not what set BFA off in the first place when A guy said it about women?

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Slow, I swear, more and more I have a hard time believing you when you say you don't smoke. Or that you're a teacher. Whatever point you're trying to make is about as clear as mud in your first two paragraphs, only one of which I will requote above. I can't tell, but I'm pretty sure you've taken what I actually said and run it through the Slowlickity distortion filter, particularly taking into account your disdainful comment about the liberal intelligentsia.

Again, I can't be sure what point you were trying to make in the top part of your angry post. But what I said earlier was fairly simple. I said there lots of educated, evolved men who're able to treat women as equals, both professionally and personally. Take a moment and some deep breaths, take off the anti-feminist filter, and reread my actual words in this post and the one below it. Reread the entire thread, in fact, and take some deep breaths before you react:

http://boards.cannabis.com/womens-is...ml#post1480035

I certainly didn't say "all men" were Neanderthals or that all educated men are not, which, again, was why I chose the word "lots." Goodness knows there are plenty of educated men who cannot regard us as equals, too. There are men of all socioeconomic and education stations who cannot. This is again why I used the word "lots" and thanked my husband for not being among the small-minded idiots of the world.

Domestic abuse/spousal-partner degradation occurs against both men and women, although it is reported 8 times more frequently against women. And while it does occur to a slightly lower degree among people with more education, probably because they have fewer financial woes, those situations cross all socioeconomic boundaries. We serve both abused women and men in the crisis center where I volunteer. And they come from the fanciest neighborhoods to the poorest. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, the attitudes about domestic abuse actually stem from exposure and modeling in families of origin rather than from cultural exposure or outside teaching.

Above all, Slow, you don't seem to have noticed that I spoke against the unfair characterization of all men as unlikable or as bad guys and against the generalization of hating them all based on one loser. I know from being familiar with BFA's history why she herself may have developed that attitude, and she clearly created this post having run it through the filter of her own personal experience and also after having read a post that articulated some offensive attitudes (http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality...ml#post1479936). She's allowed to express such an opinion if she wants to, offensive as it may be to others, because she's not breaking any forum rules, just as BA wasn't breaking any rules with his comments, either.

These negative generalizations are why Demeter and I and lots of others, men included, stepped in to caution against making sweeping statements against all men. It's interesting to me that far fewer men stepped in to speak against the "training women correctly" comments in the thread that partly motivated BFA's posting this one.

This may be a women's forum, but those of us who know, love, honor and respect men, and we pretty much have to if we're going to be online here, need to help prevent male-bashing when we hear it just like we need to be very keen on the characterizations of women on these boards as "bitches" and "sluts" and as needing to be "properly trained."

Like it or not--and I understand why you would not--this thread came from a young lady who was not only responding to BA's comments, which she correctly saw as insulting to women. But also from someone who has been "bashed" multiple times by her own intimate partner. Actually, I suspect by more than one. We're hoping the self-esteem issues will get better there so she no longer chooses people who treat her that way.

You won't get any argument from me on the last part of what you said. That was understandable and more logical. There are indeed knuckle-draggers and people who love them. Knuckle-draggers of both genders, by the way.

Hardcore Newbie and Cannabis=Freedom, I have some real problems with what you're saying, but I have them because you seemed to be saying that hitting or physical abuse in any direction, female against male or male against female, is justifiable if the other person hits first. It is NOT. People of both genders need to refrain from physical abuse of any kind, and that's the bottom line. (They need to refrain from verbal abuse, too.)

Finally, I want to second what Demeter said. If you guys are going to get your panties in such a twist about comments that women make to each other in a women's forum, particularly under circumstances such as motivated BFA, you might want to stay in the more male-dominated areas of these boards. While you're out there, you might want to work on being just as vigilant about female-bashing comments that are made throughout these boards. They're out there in shameful quantity.

ventings healthy keep at it