How much further can you pull back?

I just want to know why everyone cares so much? If you die and end up in hell, that sucks. If you die and end up in heaven, thats great. If you die and cease to have awareness, awesome. If you die and becoem a ghost or some sort of apparition, cool. The idea of Gods and stuff is created to gives us a sense of protection, purpose, and well being. A lot of humans view things alike, I assume it's our instincts. But for those of us who have different views(which would be everyone I suposse), a lot of stuff cotradicts itself. Everyone experiences shit in their own way, and interperets in their own way as well. I personally believe we should all just accept eachothers expereinces/perceptions because there is no way to prove them false/true. So go ahead, and believe what you want to believe. You will never know the real truth, except maybe when you die. And I guess since the truth sets you free, death sets you free. And sorry i'm not good at putting stuff into words, my thoughts are really disorganized.

When that does happen then science will become the "new christanity" don't you watch south park

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Originally Posted by A Scanner Darkly

First God was in the sky. We explored the sky and learned what was really up there.

Then God was in space, beyond the sky. We explored space and learned what was really out there.

Now God is in another dimension? Come one. When we're able to explore other dimensions, where will your God run to hide from science?

In other news, here's a fun video: YouTube - Rational Response Squad takes on Christians on ABC

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ok, to follow up my posts...


scientifically prove that thought exists.

scientifically prove that i am thinking.

and most of all, scientifically prove the source and nature of thought.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

ok, to follow up my posts...


scientifically prove that thought exists.

scientifically prove that i am thinking.

and most of all, scientifically prove the source and nature of thought.

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Go read a biology textbook. Once you understand a few key basic principles, move on to Psychology.

eh, i dont happen to hany any suck books on hand, care to help a stoner out? lol


i really dont know what you're getting at though.

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Originally Posted by Matt the Funk

I just want to know why everyone cares so much? If you die and end up in hell, that sucks. If you die and end up in heaven, thats great. If you die and cease to have awareness, awesome. If you die and becoem a ghost or some sort of apparition, cool. The idea of Gods and stuff is created to gives us a sense of protection, purpose, and well being. A lot of humans view things alike, I assume it's our instincts. But for those of us who have different views(which would be everyone I suposse), a lot of stuff cotradicts itself. Everyone experiences shit in their own way, and interperets in their own way as well. I personally believe we should all just accept eachothers expereinces/perceptions because there is no way to prove them false/true. So go ahead, and believe what you want to believe. You will never know the real truth, except maybe when you die. And I guess since the truth sets you free, death sets you free. And sorry i'm not good at putting stuff into words, my thoughts are really disorganized.

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Hell-FAKE, experienced astral projectors have explained what hell is in multiple books. Heaven-FAKE same deal. Ghosts are just imprints of dead humans, they have no real consiousness. Saying you will never know the truth is a false statement, if you search for the truth you will find it, the only place to find it is within yourself. Its true we cannot prove our own spiritual experiences, but the people that have them are the ones who look inward instead of outward like 99% of humans.

half-skeptic? Half? I'll have you know PureEvil, that I am 100% skeptic... I just happen to realise the limitations on that particular mode of inquiry and (hopefully) avoid making a dogmatic ass of myself quite as much as some of the other skeptics...

And Darth. Cute example. I don't have a gun so you'll have to provide me with something else. Personally, what I'm really wondering is how you know the axiom:

"believing in something because you were told to, without having evidence is bad"

is true? You spit that out like it's some straight muthafuckin a priori shit, but I'd hoped that you'd recognise the incredible hypocrisy of your statement. Where's the evidence?

Could you point out the hypocrisy ?

I've pointed out to you one example of how believing something because you were told to would have ended up negatively affecting you. I can do it with pretty much any other situation (getting in the middle of the road, jumping out of the window head first, get in the bear cage @ the local zoo, let yourself burn, you pick).

If I (or any1 else, even a "divine" voice in your head when you're high) asked you to do any of the above, do you think you're better off with faith or with rational thought ?

If you answered faith, then we have nothing else to discuss.

But hey, if you need a bigger example, just ask yourself if the 9/11 hijackers would have had the balls to kill themselves if they seriously did not believe there was an eternal life of joy with i-dunno-how-many virgins waiting for them in heaven. Now you tell me that is not bad and is a fucking hypocrisy :)

poly i said half cause i know you believe in some spiritual things, not necessarily God.

Darth, would you like to live in fear or walk in love?, I already see you made the choice of fear so I'll discuss stuff with you if you want but u got some pretty big false attachments with ur self. U said before i was tripping off acid or somthing, no I have never done acid only drugs i ever did was weed and coke, and i was not on any drugs accept maybe nicotine at the time of my divine experiences..and no there was no "voices" involved in any of them.
Also after a couple of these experiences I felt better than I ever felt in my life which is very hard evidence for me.

Im sorry your an idiot.

One was seeing the Holy Violet Flame, do a search for it on google and u will see im not the only one that has seen it.