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i've never actually considered that....Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
but then again, fi tthat's to be true, then the god every religion knows is false.... becuase first and foremost... god is ALL KNOWING so he'd of known what his creation was going to become...
Thats why I belive in a self sufficient spiritual life, it's all about the state of mind you put yourself in. None of this what god wants us to be doing stuff, none of that for the greater good crap. Just taking care of you and yours, and respecting other peoples space. There is no reason you should live your life in fear, you should not think about how and who god is going to punish. I miss the Wild West. . . . .sure there were crooks, but there was a gentlmen law. . . .
Seriously though, if you were to live in any time under any religous rule when and where would it be??? Is there even a time you think is worth seeing. . . Religon is nothing but bad news no matter who is preaching. Me personally I would go back to the 1700's and live with Native Americans. There life was perfect in my eyes, at least till God showed up. I would go back in time and help them fight off any settlers. . .
LOL, they are false, or should I say fictional?Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
You got to think about it, Are you going to belive that a man heard the voice while he was up in a mountain when everyone was below? or do we belive that the book fell from the sky? or even that Jesus designed the perfect pyramid scheme? I'm sorry people are hard enough to trust as it is, and I'm suppost to follow a book that was writen by a guy I never met, saw, heard, or know anything about other than what they told you about themself. . . . that's an on-line predator in this day and age. . .lol
People do not hate "god", they hate religion because it endorses ignorance. Also, most people do not hold a grudge against the eastern "religions", but are rather pissed off at the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) because their priests use religion to fulfill their egos and desires, causing suffering unto others.
I don't hate God.
I just hate the image of God that people have come to accept without question.
there r some good point's 2 ponder here
but im with jdmarcus 59
i didnt use 2 believe in God
but i have decided 2 change my way of thinking, and my life has changed dramaticly(4 the better)
i believe God created us all perfect
man is destroying man
drug's, incest and other thing's have a part in our self destruction
like i have said b 4, God gave us all the abiliy 2 make decision's
when eve took that bit of the apple, it was the beginingg of the end 4 mankind
so all he can do with this is 2 just sit back and let us destroy ourselves and everything around us
and we just keep on doing it
so the only 1 that can change me ,is me
i chose 2 belive in God
my life is just better all around
there is no1 in this world that can change us but ourselve's
none of us have the rite 2 judge eachother
but we do need 2 respect each other's opinion's
what a wonderful world this would b if we all did this
God will b the judge in the end
God didn't create us all perfect. The most I'll allow for is god created some bacteria that happened to evolve through countless generations.
Man is destroying man, because evolution is not a finished process. Man is continuing to outgrow his previous limitations and always this seems a painful, tearing process.
The apple was the beginning of the beginning. And the end of man will be the beginning of something new in turn.
In short, I think you've got it all wrong... Man is the father of god, not the other way around...
It depends on what God you're talking about. If you're talking about the God of the Bible, that is truly an abominable creature. As Richard Dawkins so succinctly put it in his excellent book The God Delusion:
If this being were truly real, I would have to hate it. His commands to the Jews to slaughter the Untermenschen of their Lebensraum is morally indistinguishable from Hitler's command to invade Poland for the good of the Germans.Quote:
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
The God of the New Testament (personified in Jesus) is just a pussy. He doesn't seem to realize that sometimes you have to fight for good, instead promoting unwavering pacifism. He acts like the moral beacon of humanity, yet none of his moral ideas are original. The Golden Rule is just common sense; pretty much everybody agrees that being nice is a good thing. He could have easily promoted feminism or the abolition of slavery or tolerance for homosexuals or democracy, but these moral ideas were way past the thinking of first century Judaea, so nothing of the sort is found in Jesus. I can't really say I hate the Jesus character of the New Testament, but I think he is rather naïve and unoriginal.
The God of the Qur'an has similar problems to the God of the Old Testament. If that God exists, and it hates women and homosexuals and non-believers with the fierceness portrayed in the Qur'an, then it is worthy of my hatred in return.
There are some religious figures that I can dig, though, even though they have been mythologized to a large extent. The Buddha, Laozi and Kongfuzi, for example, had a lot of good non-intuitive ideas that I think can really help someone lead a happier life. They're not infallible of course, but they provide a lot of constructive food for thought.
It seems to me that everybody needs something or someone to hate God whether he exists or not is just an easy target, if he exists then being the good sort of bloke he is supposed to be then he will forgive you for hating him. If he does not exist then there is no harm done on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Hope you understand what I'm getting at.
Cheers
NCM
Just thinking about how delicate an herb plant is, and how easy it is for us to just screw up shows the intricacy of our life on Earth. It is a very delicate balance, and evolution fails to explain how atleast 30 physical constants ( gravity, weak and strong nuclear force, electromagnetic force, magnetic force) are so finely tuned. Physicists have compared the range of what gravity could have been to a ruler stretched billions of lightyears across the universe divided into inches. And gravity is on an inch mark somewhere on that ruler, if you were to move the coefficient of gravity an inch either way life couldn't exist. Random mutation accounts for none of this, and even the Big Bang in a roundabout way disproves itself. The red shift in our galaxy shows us there is a rate at which the universe expands ( known as the cosmological rate ) this rate in itself is finely tuned, if it were altered 1/ 1000 trillionth life would be impossible. Too fast matter is too thin, too slow too compact. God has shown himself to you in the intricacy of our planet, we are therefore held accountable for our actions. God is a just judge, and a just judge wouldn't forgive those guilty, someone had to pay the price, and that someone was Yeshua ( Jesus ) the Messiah spoken of in prophecy 1000 years before his birth. Psalms 22:16-18 ( penman was King David around 1000 B.C )16For [like a pack of] dogs they have encompassed me; a company of evildoers has encircled me, they pierced my hands and my feet.(G)
17I can count all my bones; [the evildoers] gaze at me.(H)
18They part my clothing among them and cast lots for my raiment (a long, shirtlike garment, a seamless undertunic).(I))
He prophecies the Christ will have pierced hands ( crucifixion wasn't around in 1000 B.C. ) He would not have a broken bone ( in Roman crucifixion it was routine to break the legs to ensure the prisoner was dead, but Jesus' bones were not broken because the gaurds knew he couldn't have lived through the flogging and crucifixion), and also his clothes being gambled for is another prophecy. Jah Bless and may all come into a relationship with Yeshua eternally.