Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
I'll sum it up with this. You are denying that Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. He was seen after his resurrection by many. When you can prove to me that all the different witnesses that have left their testimony of what happened are liars, I'll consider your view.
But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.
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It always comes down to faith. Science is just like religion, there are many branches and they all disagree with each other. If it were about logic and proof, everyone would agree!
erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.
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And by the way, when you feel love or hate, it comes from your heart not your brain.
In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
So let me get this straight, you are righteous and God is evil right? This is another common trend with unbelievers. They feel that they are a "better person" than God. So tell me, why do you think women support the bible, including my wife? :wtf:
Nope, never said I was more righteous than God, because of course, I don't believe in God; thus I cannot believe I am more righteous than something I don't believe in. :thumbsup:
I'll tell you why, because I don't think that a lot of women have actually read the entire bible (in fact, a lot of people havent, women and men). Either that, or they disregarded those parts. I guess it would make sense for a believer to disregard such insanity, because it would go against the core belief. Wait, does that make sense? Sounds like Christianity has gone off course...
The Bible is repulsive, sexist, and supports the use of slaves. Instead of dodging what I asked, maybe you can answer. Why do you believe in such a thing? Clearly God is not completely benevolent if he supports the murder of drunken adolescents, just because they are drunk. There are many other instances, too.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." - Exodus 31:15
For the first commandment, here is what it says to do if it is broken:
"Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." - Deut 17:2-7
"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it." - Deut 13:13-19
So it looks like there was a reason for the crusades after all. Because the bible told them to do it!
"Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him." - Lev 24:16
So, anyone who believes in God must be put to death? Oh, right, but I'm sure you'd support that, wouldn't you?
"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:9
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:13
"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall ... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21
"If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." - Matthew 18:7-9
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." - 1 Tim 2
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life." - Leviticus 25:44
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." - Exodus Chapter 21:20
"Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity." - Titus 2:9
"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes." - Isaiah 13
"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." - Hosea 13
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31
This isn't all of it, there are tons more. Now tell me, why do you support this kind of thing? And if you don't, then you are not a true Christian. I think this is pretty good evidence that the Bible was not inspired by any God, but rather tyrants.
Totally repulsive. You cannot deny this. Look those up yourself.
Oh, and just to tell you... these aren't metaphors. They really mean what they say in it. It is quite obvious that these are to be taken literally.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
I'll sum it up with this. You are denying that Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. He was seen after his resurrection by many. When you can prove to me that all the different witnesses that have left their testimony of what happened are liars, I'll consider your view. But since you don't have a single trace of evidence to prove that all the testimonies are lies, I'll choose to believe that they were honest men and spoke the truth.
Heres the thing.. I follow the scientific method when I address an concept and that requires following some rules.. Let me try to explain this to you a bit. First Proof has a specific meaning, Evidence has a specific meaning. And in the proving you never address the negative.
What you have done is to take someone word as Proof. It would not matter if 100000000 people SAY they saw a space ship land in there back yard.. That does not constitute proof.. for something to be proven it must be reproducible and falsifiable. The human species is very poor at understanding what they see as you can never be sure what they say they say is what was really the event. That why ,in science, no ones witness of events are give more than a passing consideration
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Just about everything you said is because you believe it, not because you can prove any of it. It never comes down to logic or proof.
No, thats just not true. I do Not Believe it. There is many aspects that have been Proven some parts are theoretical. Its you that do not know of or except those proofs and theory. As for Logic you have shown ,IMHO, that you have no idea what constitutes Proof nor do you understand Logic. You seem to think Logic is what ever makes sense to You.. Thats not it. Logic, Proof, Evidence, have specific meanings that are not left to the individual to make up as we go.
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It always comes down to faith. Science is just like religion, there are many branches and they all disagree with each other. If it were about logic and proof, everyone would agree!
In Religions it comes down to faith. And to some in science they do approach it like its religious dogma but If you understand the principles of scientific method then it never comes down to Believing in anything.
NO they would not.. because some people have no idea what constitutes Proof or Logic. If you have no idea what those terms really mean then you will always Believe in ghosties and goblins even when presented with logical argument against it.
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And by the way, when you feel love or hate, it comes from your heart not your brain. :jointsmile:
And I'm not referring to the blood pumping organ![/QUOTE]
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Can you show me this bodily organ on an X-ray.. When you feel hate or love, jealousy and greed, Hot and Cold it happens because your brain fires neurons which sends electrical signals to the synoptic connections between and causes a chemical to cross the synoptic gap firing the next neuron. When you smoke a bit of bud it locks a molecule of de-hydrated THC-9 to the receptor matching its surface chemistry causing those neurons to alter the firing sequence .. Biology class is not over... :beatdeadhorse:
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.
erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.
In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.
Finally someone that Does understand the scientific method.. Well stated responce...... :thumbsup:
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by mfqr
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." - Exodus 31:15
For the first commandment, here is what it says to do if it is broken:
"Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." - Deut 17:2-7
"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it." - Deut 13:13-19
So it looks like there was a reason for the crusades after all. Because the bible told them to do it!
"Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him." - Lev 24:16
So, anyone who believes in God must be put to death? Oh, right, but I'm sure you'd support that, wouldn't you?
"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:9
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:13
"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall ... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21
"If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." - Matthew 18:7-9
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." - 1 Tim 2
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life." - Leviticus 25:44
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." - Exodus Chapter 21:20
"Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity." - Titus 2:9
"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes." - Isaiah 13
"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." - Hosea 13
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31
This isn't all of it, there are tons more. Now tell me, why do you support this kind of thing? And if you don't, then you are not a true Christian. I think this is pretty good evidence that the Bible was not inspired by any God, but rather tyrants.
Totally repulsive. You cannot deny this. Look those up yourself.
Oh, and just to tell you... these aren't metaphors. They really mean what they say in it. It is quite obvious that these are to be taken literally.
I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:
And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.
erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.
In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.
Are you saying that the entire bible is one story with one witness? Cause there were many different men who testified of God from different generations and so there are MANY witnesses who say the same thing. Are they all lying? They're either telling the truth or they are telling lies. There is no gray area. Something is either true or it's not. God is true! :jointsmile:
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:
And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.
He made his point and you seem to agree.. You and your version of god are both psychopaths .. You think because god said so you should take babies and thrash them against a rock because their fathers don't believe in what you think they should. And you don't even understand that..
You started this thread and to my humble mind have shown exactly why , to all that have followed this, that religion is irrational and in many cases dangerous to mankind. History is re pleat with Believers getting to the point that they elect themselves to take over if gods a bit slow at thrashing the infidels.
What you are writing is not much different than a Mulah teaching little Abdul to strap a bomb on his chest and blow up them damned infidels.
The sad thing is that you have no idea of what I and other have told you. You , in your head, cannot comprehend any of those that try to logically and rationally address the question that you started in this thread.
To this point your basic response to logic and evidence is "God Did It" and any explanation of the reality around you that does not fit that mental image is no more than gibberish to you.
With all the light and beauty in the universe you wish to see man killed, drowned, burned and mutilated .. might as well start chanting "Alla be Praised" over and over.. same difference...
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Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Quantummist
He made his point and you seem to agree.. You and your version of god are both psychopaths .. You think because god said so you should take babies and thrash them against a rock because their fathers don't believe in what you think they should. And you don't even understand that..
You started this thread and to my humble mind have shown exactly why , to all that have followed this, that religion is irrational and in many cases dangerous to mankind. History is re pleat with Believers getting to the point that they elect themselves to take over if gods a bit slow at thrashing the infidels.
What you are writing is not much different than a Mulah teaching little Abdul to strap a bomb on his chest and blow up them damned infidels.
The sad thing is that you have no idea of what I and other have told you. You , in your head, cannot comprehend any of those that try to logically and rationally address the question that you started in this thread.
To this point your basic response to logic and evidence is "God Did It" and any explanation of the reality around you that does not fit that mental image is no more than gibberish to you.
With all the light and beauty in the universe you wish to see man killed, drowned, burned and mutilated .. might as well start chanting "Alla be Praised" over and over.. same difference...
sad...ver sad
You're stretching it quite a bit. What I believe, doesn't hurt anyone. I don't support the violence others do in the name of God. GOD IS NOT TELLING THEM TO ACT LIKE THAT. God is the judge. We are not. We need to do our part and he is the one who will judge everyone in righteousness! Just because I agree with his judgments, doesn't make me the same as the ones you bring up. If they were like me, they would follow Jesus, instead of trying to kill who they feel is the enemy.
It's not that I don't hear or understand what you guys are saying, It's that I completely disagree with it. See, life forevermore is a blessing. It was commanded upon the mountains of Zion, so there's no way to stop eternal life from coming. And I'm very thankful for it! :pimp:
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
This thread is getting close to being closed. Remember to respect each other and not to attack each other.
Quantummist, I only have one contact in so I might be missing something but you are standing out so this is your warning. Watch what you say about other religions and other members here. You are new to the forum so I hope you have read Psycho4Bud's sticky on respect in this forum.
Don't make me have to come back in here.
