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Ok,....under plant problems there is a thread called Zinc Tox. I will bump it up to the top. The very last thing listed is a photo of nuteburn....edges curled down, leaves feeling crispy, tips yellowed/curled downburned etc...you should look through it.....lots of signs mimic each other.....these are your plants so you will have to make the call and what you think.....without seeing the plants it's very hard for me to say.
The leaves themselves have more of an overall curl to them like a banana but I wouldn't say the edge is more curled than the rest of the leaf...there is no edge yellowing to speak of and as for leaf texture they definately aren't that wet leathery feel like when they were little but I don't think I'd go as far as to say crispy either I'd settle on the dry somewhat stiff side
hmm...well again I've done several things so I'm not quite sure but they look/feel healthy to me a bit darker green than before maybe...adding mylar might have encouraged the plant leaves to start growing sideways (I can see this pronounced with a few near the corner)...and the heat stress with the water off definately made the stems/leaves shrink a tad, curl, and stiffin up quite a bit...since the dehydration stint I have noticed (although it's kinda slow) that the leaves especially near the top are starting to lift/flatten up more and more...I'm still monitoring pretty closely and once I change the res I'll start it at a lower ppm to see if the plants dump some out and look happier...
All in all I'm happy content with the progress Eve is looking like bud is starting and Zola still seems to be pulling away in bud production. The c99 x sweettooth#3 is probably just a longer flowering plant than the bagseed indica...if the person bought the indica to sell I'm sure they wanted a fast finishing high yielder...
Lemme check that zinc tox thread I'll post back in a bit
After looking through that link which was pretty extensive by the way...it was nice to see some different pictures of a specific problem...hard to find those things usually they are all copied from the same source...Good find WH ;)
I figure I'm just at the upper limit of fert...I don't see any spotting or brittle issues and the curling isn't as bad as before...I'm figuring even though it's probably overfed a bit it's not severe and should be cleared up with the res change...I'm planning to add a 1/2 dose of koolbloom to this res as I'm approaching the halfway mark and next time I'll probably go just under the recommended strength...do you normally just follow the instructions for the bloom boost food?
I'm really gettin excited now that I can see what looks like bud rather than just hairs hehe can't wait...
ASD........back to those notes you are keeping next grow:D :D You will know what your RH was for the entire grow and you simply mirror it for the next crop or tweak one way or the other and see if it changes your end result. I dont know if pushin the 60% window means more bud or not. My concern was havin show pony unit sized buds gettin moldy. That would fug my whole day up. Again, I always err to the safe side of the numbers.
To ponder as well, some strains are almost immune to bud rot, while others are very suceptible. Again, notes notes notes..............
By the way, I do not comment on your plant problems for the simple reason 'Hound is doing an excellent job working with you. And I am a firm believer that more than one cook ruins the pot of soup. You start trying to do 4 different things at once from a few sources you are going to make a fuckin mess.
Well, I hear the whip crackin, lunch break must be over. If I dont get back out in yard the beatings will continue around here.......damn ole lady is a mean ass boss to work for. Pay sucks, too.......lol:D :D
Think I might even have to hit up one of the new jars this afternoon when I get chores completed. I am in the mood to get a little tuned in I do believe.:rasta: :rasta:
Keep em green,
b0nger
Bonger you made my day with that statement.:D The second (and also brilliant) statement you made in my opinion (no...not the beatings comment) but staying on the safe side of the numbers. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: That is so much easier to do than damage control. ;) I don't push humidity for the exact same reason you state Bonger....I am terrified of mold, fungus etc. That few grams I may get are simply not enough of a carrot to me to risk the crop over......way too much work to end up with nothing.
ASD the bloom stimulator I use is Hydroplex and goes with the Botanicare line. I follow it the way hydro J told me to but keep in mind I use RO water. At the end of blooming my ppms are pretty much as follows:
ppms.....1300 total
CalMag....500ppm...Replacement for calcium etc.. for RO water
Pro bloom..250ppm...reg bloom nutes
Hydroplex ...250ppm...bloom stimulator
Liquid Karma....150ppm...supplement
Sweet....150ppm....supplement
I would probably just follow whatever directions are on the KoolBloom as I have not used it so... It does seem to be a pretty popular thing so perhaps Bonger or others have an idea how best to use it.
If your leaves are sort of stiff vs dry, crispy feeling than you are probably dealing with heat stress as opposed to overnute.....especially if problems began after......the episode.....:D
I agree Bonger...Hound is living up to her name beautifully :D I'm definately starting to see how much better it is to error on the safe side especially given all the new things I'm messin with
Thanks again for all the help Hound I wouldn't have made it this far without ya :thumbsup: I'm gonna have to lookup those supplements and compare them to what I'm using so I know which compares to which
The res change is goin down tomorrow...I believe it will be 15 days since my last change so it's definately time...probably a bit late actually but I'll just keep the notes on plant reaction...I'm gonna go with a total of 1300ppm I'll put in the recommended dose for koolbloom & bcuzz stimulator and adjust the rest with maxibloom I'm also planning to put the airstones in the res and hookup the airpump etc
The door is the only thing left to put on and then I can work in the room itself *pats his own back* actually framing out stuff was a pain but it was a good place to learn since it doesn't have to look all pretty
I'm soon to tackle the job of ventilation cause the room will be pretty much air tight once the door is hung
Hope everyone is enjoyin the weekend...ttyl
Hey ASD - how are ya? Hey just wanted to let you know - on the GH site its says that you are supposed to add the kool bloom in the last 2 or 3 weeks of flowering. Kool Bloom is some really strong stuff - I wouldnt want you to hurt the girls. The liquid is 0-10-10 and the dry stuff is way potent. Which one do you have? I am using the Kool Bloom with Humbolts Gravity Hardener - The kool bloom is nice - the plants drink that shit up. The gravity stuff I just put on today - I will let you know how it works. Peace out homie. Growing weed is the shiite.
Tom I have that gravity and have been afraid to use it.....I've heard some very scary stories about it but at the same time that if done right it's the cat's meow and can really make your yield kick ass! I would be very interested to see how that works out for you.....maybe I'll get the guts to try it this grow. I'm trying the "don't touch" approach this time so hopefully without me poking at them so often they'll do well with it; especially with the "purebloods" in the set-up. (Bonger!)
Thanks for the kind words you guys; I really do appreciate the feedback. Makes me feel...:cool:
Yeah I have heard some scary stuff too - we will see what happens. I have been spending a lot more time in the grow room after I put the gravity in. I want to make sure nothing wierd happens so I have a bottle of flushing solution standing by. I have only been running it for 1 day now - I will let you guys know what happens. I actually started running it about a week later than it recommends but they should be ok. It might be an illusion but the buds do seem to be filling out a bit more...
interesting Tomas I got the dry stuff...it's like 2-45-28 so like .5-15-10...I'm thinking about doing a very small amount maybe cause I'm not adding any other supplements this grow...so I was wonderin if I could get away with adding maybe 1/2 a teaspoon for the 10 gallon res...it says 1/4 tea per gallon so that would be like 1/5 strength...today is day 25 flowering and I did notice the plants getting on this lift with the light and by the end of the day they seem to want to drop back down before the light goes off...I'm wondering if that's cause of my high ppm...
you know you got yer setup goin on WH so I'll keep up with the advice of experience ;)
I'll let you guys know how the air pump and res change go a bit later today...I just read the label and it says to start this kind at the halfway mark so I'll check back to see the thoughts on possibly adding a touch of the koolbloom or just holding off all together before I do (are there multiple kinds of koolbloom?)
'Hound is a chicka ???.....Hell, learn summin every day. Not that it matters, but I didnt know that. Sorry if I have addressed you as a d00d, 'Hound.
Gotta love them bluebloods:thumbsup: :thumbsup: I am a firm believer in starting with good genetics. I even believe if FIRST grow you should start with quality. Learn to grow quality from the get go. I am sure most disagree, but such is life. Pissin with bagseed to grow herm's makes little or no sense to me. I know not every plant herm's, but bagseed is a crap shoot in my opinion, for what its worth.
I am looking at starting flush Wednesday and chop Saturday. According to my bible (notes) that will be perfect. Trichs right about where they need to be. Time then to clean everything up and shut things down til fall. Of course I'll keep my mom's going for next season. I need to fix them up with a simple drip system instead of hand watering which wont take much. I keep them in Coco.
If I didnt grow hydro, I swear I'd grow in Coco before I EVER fugged with dirt. Stuff is amazing and plants grow like crazy in it. Cant overwater it, one brick makes a shitload, blah blah blah. It has all kinds of advantages. I think perfect medium for a newbie to use. Most newb's either drown or evaporate plants, tuff to do in Coco.
I think next winter I am going to do a 3'x3' ScroG with a 400 watter in Coco. Will find some exotic connsieur (I know I dint spel that write) strain that is ScroGable (new word) for it. Might get me a pack of Vortex from T.G.A. and grow them out in 'dro til I get me a mom. I read it works great in ScroG setup, and its a great smoke. Plus I really like their genetics. I grow Jilly Bean and thats a beautiful plant and a whip your ass smoke. I have a perfect mother with the qualities of a runway model of her.
I burnt about 1/4 of a d00b yesterday of absolutely perfectly cured Jilly Bean (around 10 weeks) and it destroyed my azz. Was too damn high to even put the tractor back in the shed til last night..........LMAO
I need to get a pack of NL for next year, too. Read nothing but good about, but never smoked it. I gotta see whats its all about. Like to grow NYCD, but I am not sure I need anything that potent.........LOL I read it makes you throw rocks at your OWN house......:D :D
Love my Whites (Rhino, Widow) as well. Problem is, I want to grow so many strains but dont have the room. And I have to keep a mother of anything I grow. Growing from seed sucks wind real bad. I hate it, but gotta do to get new strains in the stable, I know................
ASD, I never was sold on that weekly change of rez. Now I think if you got small rez it is probably necessary, but only then. Of course the nute companies suggest weekly change, but they love you pouring their product down the drain, too. I change mine every other Sunday, and my plants seem as happy as a pig in chit. I have done weekly and bi-weekly, see no difference.
When I put laundry sink in grow room I put a straight Y (different than standard Y) right before trap. glued a piece of pipe just long enough to hold end cap to it, fastened end cap with band clamp, not glue in case I ever need to take off for whatever reason. Drilled hole in end cap the size of hose, 5/8's I think, cut hose just long enough to reach valve on rez furtherest away, and fed hose through end cap. Then put new plastic ends back on it. Holds the hose in there so when I need to drain rez's I screw hose to valve, open, and run each one right in the drain. Makes life so simple, and I dont have water slopped all over the place anymore messin with buckets. Another handy tip for y'all.
Hope everyone had a great weekend.
Keep 'em green,
b0nger
Bonger - you grow the jillybean huh? I am jealous. I just started some dannyboy seeds that I won on a breedbay auction. I hate growing from seeds too - such a pain in the ass. I am looking for Mrs. Right - hopefully she will give me an assload of dannyboy cuts throughout the next year. Subcool and TGA is the bomb! I want to cross the dannyboy with this banana kush cut that I found - we will see what happens.
ASD - You know what, I am not a Kool Bloom expert but yes there are two different kinds of Kool Bloom! The dry version seems a lot different than the liquid version also. Maybe you should use it now? I dont know. Im sure a little probably wouldnt hurt anyway. Just watch what happens to the plants and let us know ok?
Tom, keep me posted on Danny. I have done some research (not nearly enough I know) but in order to cross a plant dont you have to keep crossing and growing them out in order to get a stabilized strain or am I full of condensed monkey shit with this idea ? I swear I read that the reason it takes so long to get good genetics is because it takes years of crossing and recrossing of the two plants.
If I crossed Rhino and Widow I'd have a Widowed Rhino........<groan> That was sad for a joke.......
I'll do some more reading on the breeding thing one of these days. For now I am happy with clones from my moms. Seed grows <shudder>..........
By the way, glad ya are posting here, Tom. This is an excellent thread IMO. We just have to keep ASD from uppin his PPM's to 3500, but 'Hound keeps him in check on that......:D :D
Anyways, keepin it green,
b0nger
Bonger - I think you are talking about strain stabilization - which would take a long ass time and I dont have the room. I was basically just thinking about keeping the dannyboy males that I have and pollinating the banana kush to see if I could get some cherry kush or some banana taco or maybe even a cherry banana type cross. Its not really breeding for stability or an IBL, its just a cross to see what happens. When subcool breeds his plants I think he just selects good a good mother and a nice looking father but doesnt really do alot of stabilization work - that would take forever - and he comes out with new seeds every year or so. I agree - this is a good thread. It seems like we are all learning from each other which is cool - we gotta help each other grow that danky dank. ASD is doing good huh?
My hydro J just frowns at me for growing from seed...."youre STILL growing from seeds? EVERY time???" But quite honestly I like it.....when those first little puppies pop their skins I always feel so proud. :D Plus, as bonger mentioned with cloning.....have to keep Mom around, a seperate set-up for clones etc... But my real reason is simply that I do not want to be tied down to one type of the green.....there are simply too many choices out there for me not to want to partake in as many as possible. :thumbsup: All the different kinds.....all the different highs. Could be a life-long project (hopefully :D :stoned: )
Bonger, everyone says that about me.....maybe it's my sailor mouth, lol.
I have some White widow seeds I am wanting to try next grow. Somebody mentioned to me that WW seems rather sensitive to nutes....he ended up using about 20% less nutes than usual. How did yours grow when you grew them?
Latewood has a formula listed under indoor growing about GH nutes and the lucas formula. I studied it at some point but found it rather complicated for my taste. It is supposed to be a very popular method however and from my understanding the rez changes are very minimal throughout the grow....just topping off rez. So that is definitely an accepted theory; fewer rez changes. I actually change mine more often..... I really like the pump it seems to give my plants and probably do rez changes twice a week. For me it's actually easier to do everything from the central controller than to check each individual bucket. I'm quite sure I am wasting nutes but it's a hell of a lot easier on my back. ;)
Things seem to be going well...I got the res changed today it's sitting at just under 1300 total...160 starting...50 of bcuzz...130 koolbloom...rest maxibloom
my water was clean and no smell or cloudiness this change was like 15 days so I'm keepin notes...how does the coco break up? could I use that as the medium in the net pots of aero instead of hydroton? I'm not happy with how wet the hydroton got before the roots grew to hang in the air but the airstones/airpump might help that
I can't deny that sense of accomplishment when I see a little seed break out...I didn't see anymore seeds pop unfortunately so I figured after a week I'd crack them with a plier gently as possible and see if they grow...if not they're gettin tossed...still have a few more I can try so it'll be ongoin...I'd like to use rockwool if possible instead of the organic plugs just to keep the res cleaner and avoid somethin that could clog the pump...
I think I'm gonna need several little setups...germination/seedling(possibly 2 seed&clones)/veg/flower
I'd have to say after checkin the pics I'm pretty psyched found a fan leaf with 11...I can't wait to see them tomorrow morning after the res change takes hold...first 2 are Zola (Cola & Bud shot) last 2 are Eve (Cola & Bud shot) Lemme know how they look
look a them girlie girls - thas what Im talkin about home slice. Them the tasty little hosnatches right there, what?
ASD.....amazing what happens when you keep the PPM's under 7500, huh..................LMAOOOOOOOOO:D :D
I love rockwool in hydroton. That trips mah trigger. Read how I told whoever it is in Emergency Room Help Needed or whatever that thread is called in this section on how to make a handy dandy light proof cover for the top of ya pots.
I keep my moms in Coco, and I am going to put on drip system that runs to drain, not drains back to rez. Dont know if its going to work very well (not sure how much water I am going to use or how often I'll have to add), but I am going to try that way. I guess if you used a filter bag you could drain to rez. I wonder if Coco fibers in the rez promote or grow any kinds of funky shit after a while. GUess I'll just need to add some Hydrogaurd like I do to my aero rez's if I drain to rez. I need to think this over for a few days.
I am looking to put my moms on autopilot or close to it for the summer. So the less hassles I have, the better.
'Hound, I iz with ya on new stuff all the time. And if thats to yer liking, have at it. Late summer I'll be crackin some new stuff to have around for next fall/winter enjoyment (getting headache just thinking about it). Really wanna do that Vortex in ScroG setup. For some reason that excites me.
Was looking at some post on seeds. There is a strain called Thunderfuck (love that name) and one called Bubba Kush, 240.00 and 300.00 respectively. I wonder if they are all that GOOD ? Dr Greenthumb is seedbank if ya wanna check out.
Growin it green (my lawn),
b0nger
thanks tomas :stoned: now all I gotta do is make them bigger
ppm @ 1350 and ph is at 5.4 it climbed all the way to 6 in 24 hours so I'll have to check it at lights out to make sure it's stayin down
I finished playin with the airstones/pump...it's installed now just under the intake of the pump...one airstone on each side...it's definately got little bubbles forming all over the place so the roots better be happy haha should help with the issue of younger plants too but I got a while before I can test that...
I'm not positive but I think the ph of the tank climbed because of the air...if anyone else has experienced this lemme know
lemme know how much a mess the coco makes if ya do a recirculating hydro with it I'm thinking the dehumidier is helping cause I can see more of hairs on the leaves at the colas
Those are some expensive seeds...for now I'm just happy to be in motion with everything...once ya get it started the rest seems to come so easily...I'll probably just use the seeds I got till I run out & I'll most likely keep 1 mother from each strain maybe 2 if characteristics warrant it
I definately wanna get some cool colored strains eventually...definately a few that are more sativa than what I have now white elephant looked like a cool strain ooooh all those crystals :D
be back later I still have tons to get done today
SPEAKING OF WHICH........SCROG set up Bonger...if you need photo I will start new thread. Can you think of a way to do scrog on my waterfarm set-up? My main issue is trying to do something that will still let me be able to lift pots out if necessary but do not know if that is possible?
ASD your plants look GREAT! We will all be there to partake of the harvest....probably leaving you with nothing...lol. No kidding though they really do look excellent. Nice color and nice bud production. :thumbsup:
Bonger right now the selection of seeds I have inclues W widow, Ice, Crystal Limit, Master Kush-X, some Haze (which I am going to try to grow outside this year due to long flowering time) Bubblegum, and possibly some Blueberry-X . :thumbsup: Also a buttload of my "Blue russian" bagseed (named by the dealer so god knows but the weed really kicks ass) and some seeds from bagseed that I'm positive is a version of CatPiss. Smells like catpiss when growing, just sitting there, after you smoke it, no matter what.....catpiss everywhere. Makes you wonder what the Thunderfuck smells like....? :) There were also a couple free seeds that came with the original seed order....called Sweet Dreams or something. It's really hard not to just throw them all in some soil so I can have them all at once but the reality of that is......I will kill them in soil. AGGGGGG!
ASD your rising ph is perfectly normal at this point....it is due to the higher nutrient needs of your flowering plants. There is no way to stop the process that I know of and I've looked cause adjusting those waterfarms' ph gets old especially when the plants get to largeness and flowering All you can do is keep adjusting it back and it will continue to rise on you so heads up. From here on out (as if you weren't before) check your ph often often....and keep your ph down close by. ;)
Well, my ScroG will be not til late fall at earliest. I need to germ, veg, grow out and get a mom going from this pack of Vortex. Maybe when times comes I'll post a pic or so, I may not either as I never have for obvious reasons.
Anyways, no, I have no idea how you could remove pots once you have your babes trained in the screen. I am going to do the Vortex ScroG in Coco with drip, not aero for the very reason once you weave them in the screen, you cant move.
I am going to use them plastic coated twistie thingers they hold bread closed with to hold plants to screen. Paper falls off the cheap ones when it gets damp and I am betting they rust, too. I bought 7000 of them (thats roll size, and I aint kiddin) for 47 bucks or something.
Those Waterfarm thing-mah-bobs are self contained, not a seperate rez????
I dont like that idea much if so........but, such is life.
Dont forget, 'Hound. I am a ScroG virgin, so this first one and anything may happen.........LMAO But I am sure I will dial it in pretty easily.
b0nger
No one else has figured it out either Bonger so .....I just keep hoping cause it would be great to do if I could figure out how. May start a new thread somewhere with some photos and ask for suggestions. :)
The waterfarms are all seperate but hooked together in a line which leads to central rez and draw the nutes etc from main bucket but since it pretty much works on gravity there isn't any recirculation between buckets unless you create something. My hydro J warned me that I would have to keep tabs on them seperately although the ad from General hydroponics insisted I could "do it all" from the central rez.
Guess who turned out to be right?
The scrog sounds interesting...I'm sure I'll end up stuck in that web of difficulty eventually but for now I'm just stickin with the simple things...
WH do ya think the scrog setup would let the plant grow more bud with less roots? if so it might help with that clogging issue...I bet you could set up a screen attached a certain height above each bucket...like if you make a square frame and staple the screen or chicken fencing and fasten that to the top of the waterfarm bucket this way if you need to take the top off the screen will move with the plant...
Actually on a similar topic I noticed how bendy the c99 is so I decided to use a coat hanger with a weight on the end to bend down the main cola into the dead space toward the corner...it seemed to be successful although I was so nervous the whole time of just snapping the cola right off...I did it at about 3 and by 6 or so the top was already starting to bend back to the light in it's new unoccupied space...it looks like all those little buds a few leaf sets down from each top are getting much more light so I'm hoping that'll increase the yield...it also allowed me to get the light a bit closer to the shorter plant
The short plant has very stiff stems but the c99 can almost be tied into a knot
I do have a quick question if anyone has used airstones in the res before I can hear little pockets of air continuously now...like if you just turned the pump on and the air was escaping but now it's like a constant slow crackle almost of air passing through the nozzles...that should definately keep the O2 level in the root chamber high enough but I was curious about possible pump damage...I'm leaning toward no cause it's probably 90 to 95 percent water with just a few air bubbles...I'd assume the problem with running the pump completely dry is getting hot and no water to lube...lemme know if it's a definate problem and I'll move the airstones further away from the pump intake
I'll be back a bit later time to watch 24 ;)
Is this you standard air pump.....like fish tank air pump?
yes WH it's a tetra 10-30gallon style fish tank really cheap and quiet...I'm not sure how long the air stays in the water or whatever so I figured I'd just get it right near the water pumps intake
Cute pups by the way :)
Lemme take a better look into scrogging and I'll let ya know if I come up with any ideas
Oh that's plenty....and if it's making noises don't worry about it....just airflow. I've never had one overheat on me either and have had several here and there so no probs.
As far as scrogging I'm leaning toward setting the system up to completely recirculate as some others here have done which would sove the problem of having to take each bucket out and check things individually......the main problem with scrog to me. The other thought is the same issue I had last time however.....how much room do I need for roots for scrog? I had great makings in my last grow but ran out of root room. :(
Have you thought about making individual scrog screens? You could make one per pot or bucket that would go where the bucket goes. You could attach the frame directly to the pot or bucket - I have seen it done before by a few growers on overgrow.com. But why do scrog when you can supercrop?! Eh - Im just not a big fan of scrog b/c why would you want to make the crop more of a pain in the ass to deal with? Seriously - can you imagine twist tying the plants down everyday? What about the plants way under the screen (if you do one big screen) the middle plants you are really gonna have to reach for?
I'd say it depends on situation...supercropping (from what I've seen) definately gives a high yield but you have to wait for the new growth everytime you cut them...this is fine if you have a green sea operation where ya can be prepping the next crop of super bushes but if you wait till harvest to drop in new 1 cola'd trees yer gonna have a long time between chops
A screen method seems just training...similar to hand moving the branches to open areas so you get more of the bud sites bathed in light and higher yield without the delays of cutting...I'd say the screen is just an effective way to get light to the majority of the plant's buds...it's not all that much different from tyin down branches to direct growth...
As for your root issue...I think the scrog would help slim the roots down a bit but probably not too much the more I think about it...I'd still be worried you'd max out your chamber anyway cause the more mass the plant produces like the main stem sideways and all the branch shoots going up will make the plant root for drinking/feeding...
Someone with experience can hopefully chime in with the compared root structures of both...it's possible the extra roots that grow when you crop/prune/top are just wasted and don't really work to draw up solution anymore(although it seems unlikely mother nature would stand for such an event) if that were the case though the plants would get much bigger before root issues
I'm gonna do some more reading on this tomorrow I can't think anymore at the moment heh need sleep
Actually I bought everything except the very last part ASD.....I think it is the other way. I think the plant makes roots for the leaves. If you tear too many leaves off (supercropping) the plant has to make a bunch of new leaves....but has to make new roots for them first. And while those roots will still uptake nutes (maybe..just guessing here) unless overcrowded there isn't anywhere for those nutes to go.....like sending energy to an amputated limb. I think that's what put so much time on my last grow. Roots WERE wasted...but it was the original roots for the leaves that were no longer there. Make sense or am I just blowing smoke? God this pontificating is makes my head hurt. :jointsmile:
I agree WH I wasn't sold on the last part cause I dunno just doesn't sound right...and over 1000's of generations I don't see why a plant wouldn't be able to just suck up food/water through any root and port it where it's gotta go
on the other hand I do think supercropping as opposed to scrogging would lead to atleast slightly more roots vs plantsize because the plant doesn't know immediately that it's leaves are gone and I doubt root growth would stop instantly...although now that I'm thinking of that, if roots grow at a specific time maybe it would be best to crop after the root growth time period has just ended for the day?
Just really grasping at straws here so don't hold me to anything ;-)
Have you ever thought of changing the buckets yer using for yer farm? you could probably reuse everything else tubing/pumps etc just connect the existing lines to the bigger buckets
Eve is doin well after the tie down the cola has already bent itself back to the light and started growing again...I can see that the little bud sites did end up with much more lighting and I'm hopin that means more bud
One funny thing I've noticed with Zola is that her leaves definately lift towards the light in the morning and throughout the day but seem to start to fall back down an hour or 2 before the light goes off...does this mean that she might prefer less hours in the light cycle or is it normal to start relaxing before bedtime?
Eazy, 'Hound. Cant have ya blowin a gasket.....lol :D :D
ASD....I notice you are not experiencing a daily disaster lately. See how easy this really is? 'Hound got you dialed in and rockin now.
Tom, ScroG is about getting nice buds from every available budsite on the plant, I think. As I said, this is new to me for now. I, for some reason want to do one. Why? I dont know.
Supercropping is of little or no interest to me. I am more than happy with the yields I achieve from my aero's. Isnt supercropping a technique used by commercial growers where they reveg and then reflower plant ?
I like messing with my plants. So next winter I can work on getting 4 topped and very well trained plants established to put under the screen. Tying them down and weaving them in the screen will not be a chore in my eyes. I want to see a 2.5'x2.5' screen FULL of bud, one for each hole in screen. Ever see SeedlessOnes ScroG's ? That d00d is impressive to say the least. And, he gets one helluva yield out of a fairly small screen.
400 watter over a 2.5'x2.5' (64 watts sq/ft) should get me a decent yield even tho I will probably have plenty of fug ups since this is my first attempt. And, if it only yields a half ounce, thats ok, too. My regular grows will be going, and I have that setup almost to the point of autopilot.
Tom, I read on your thread you are a very busy person, and I agree this setup is probably not for you. Hell, I am old and mostly retired........lol But I have plenty of time to tinker with whatever trips my trigger. Indoor growing and building/designing alll kinds of neat things to make my grow area as tricked out as possible does exactly that.
I am a firm believer that if you have those handyman/fixer upper skills you can do some really kewl things in this hobby. I just wish it were legal for christs sakes. I feel if Tequilia is legal, pot should be legal........END OF THAT STORY!!!!
Drunks kill people, stoned peple only miss their exit!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I blundered 8 miles off the topic for whatever reason I did. Wife is gone til late tonight and I smoked 1/4 d00b after my eggs this morning and I am still wasted........LOL:D :D <looks at d00b layin in ashtray>
Lovin it green,
b0nger
Dont want to waste that nice little tidbit laying there Bonger........:stoned: ;) I will look in my book and see if I can find the answer to the root question. I'm very sure that supercropping will cause more root growth as opposed to scrog which I do agree with ASD on....I consider it a version of tying the branches down to expose them to light which is the biggest thing to me. More light.....more bud. And I don't think doing that causes as much root growth as the plant having to create new branches etc...
And bonger while ASD not having a daily disaster IS a good thing.....it's not nearly as much fun. :D
The girls are lovin life at the moment and I couldn't agree more on the credit due hound...the canoe lookin shape of the leaves has started to flatten out and I'm starting to notice those white specs creeping out on a few more leaf sets *claps* I must admit I've been toying with the idea of 10k ppm baths for the girls, just a few minute dip shouldn't hurt em right? :jointsmile: Don't worry once I get a few different systems going I'll be sure to have a catastrophy per week for ya'll
Only thing to mention is the slow rise of ppm to 1380 or so...next nutes I add will be a bit low to help bring it down a little more
Bonger I definately want info on the scrog pros/cons/yield when you eventually get it running just thinking about it gets me all tingly...Do you have a certain strain in mind? I was thinkin if ya picked a nice up high sativa you could counteract the low yield Having a 400watter dedicated to one plant would be sick...as it is my 2 plants are getting beastly...I'm sure more training would help
I must say I'm astounded by the speed at which Eve bent herself toward the light...the main stalk was at a 90 and she's pointing directly at the light again in less than 2 days...budsites have appeared everywhere on her even some baby ones only on the 2nd leaf set
Be back later...girl is outta town and if I don't keep up on the chores it will be the whip for me
ASD.....I am going to do Vortex, TGA strain. I currently grow their Jilly Bean and its a great smoke and a beautiful plant to grow as well. I will be using 4 well trained, topped plants under a 2.5x2.5 screen with a 400 watter on em.
Sorry.............but I need more time to recover from seein SS pulls 11 pounds off one 1000 watt HPS........
back later,
b0nger
Some questions for everyone
Bonger I remember you mentioning the use of rockwool...I've read that you end up having watch the ph with these and presoak for 24 hours is that really a concern? I read about oasis cubes being about the same only less of a ph headache and better moisture % The seed start tray I have has a bottom tray holding the water and a little site tray with holes in the bottom of each...I've filled the tray so water comes up through the sites about 1/4 of the way Lemme know if it should be more/less
I'm basically looking at creating 1 item to grow matured seedlings and clones...I'll either be making a bubblercloner or aerocloner pretty much with the idea you detailed before...if there is no real speed difference I might just do the bubble cloner cause it's just for the tiny guys...ideally clones would go directly into this unit and seeds started in the starter tray would be moved once big enough...I'd like to just move the medium from the tray and just squeeze the rw or oasis cube through kinda so it sticks in place there...if a site isn't being used I could just use another cube or find a plug of some sort
from there I'll move them to the aero9 for veg/flower stage...eventually I'll make a different system for flower
I just checked the seeds I started before and unfortunately got a very poor germination rate only 10 of like 30 seeds popped and so far only one has grown to be a viable seedling...coulda been the seeds but I'll run through my current germ/seedling method for critiquing
1. I have a 16oz cup filled with 2 day old tap water ( I found that letting it sit for atleast 2 days stopped the climbs of ph that I was experiencing before I guess 1 day wasn't quite enough for some reason ) I added a very small amount of maxigrow...the tap water started at 160 and I raised it to about 200 so lemme know what range I should be in...ph was right at 7 The new batch of 20 seeds have been in this cup since about 3pm a few I just checked and 8 have already sank
2. Should I remove the seed and plant it in the medium (starter tray) after it sinks, cracks open, or has a little root pointing out of it(if it should have a root how long like 1/8"-1/4"-1/2"?
3. Should I remove it from the cup and put it in a moist paper towel till the root develops more or just right to the medium in the tray?
4. I was figuring the nute mix in the tray should be @ 6.5ph and 200-250ppm?
5. Is there a recommended additive that I should be using other than just a touch of the grow food? I've heard of superthrive but don't have any experience on benefit
I figure since WH loves seeds this should be right up her alley :thumbsup:
PS I can't wait till I have have a nice mom each of a few different strains......damn 11lbs off 1000w is unreal
Here is my method for starting seeds and may I say I have had excellent results with it. About a 90-95% germ rate. I will go slow so you can get it. ;)
1. Put seed in rapid rooter hole already in middle and pre-made for me by manufacturer
2. Pour water on seed and rapid rooter
3. Wait. Keep rapid rooter moist but not wet.
4. Wait more.
5. Plant when sprouted.
Works every time......starting with good seeds of course. Absolutely anything else I would screw up so it had BETTER work. After my experience with these PICKY blueblood seeds I would probably start the next batch (if purebreds) pretty low.....say 150 w/ ro water.....1/2 being CalMag.
I've posted two pics of my plants so far.....germed on 3/5 and placed in hydro on 3/10. The close up one I took to give you an idea of nitrogen overfert. I have a pretty shitty camera but if you sort of squint, look close and tip your computer at about 45 degree angle you might be able to see what I am talking about. The color on the edges of the newer leaves is a pretty dark green and the tips are curled down. This plant (it's a Crystal Limit) is on exactly the same ppms and ph as everyone else but for some reason has decided it couldn't handle the heat in the kitchen so I have dropped it back 100ppm. Ph has remained stable so..... PHHHHHHHH to it.
Seems a little better today and the brand new growth is a better color (cross fingers.)
The other photo is the 8 I have going total. The four in the back are C/L...far back left is the unhappy one and the one directly in front of it, while happy, is a funky curling twisty plant right down to the stem. I'm told that's a mutation thing.....wimps. :p The three in the front are Master Kush Feminized and I can't remember if you can see the one in the closest right corner....one of my russians.:)
I'm not sure if I'll be able to remember the entire germination method...I'll just keep checking back to read up after each step hehe
Even that unhappy one doesn't look all that bad looks like yer gonna have another set of bushes before long ;-)
I don't think I did anything to mess with the seeds but it's always good to hear other ideas...I checked again and already 15 of the 20 have sunk so I'm off to a much better start atleast
Well bOnger it seems as though you have you heart set - I wont get in the way of a man and his ladies! Where is it you saw 11 pounds off of one light?!!! How? I want to see this too. If its real, maybe I'll do a scrog too. Fuck it lets all do scrog. Yeah - I am busy right now. I am going to school for biology - I also work at an AIDS clinic and have a wife and two kids. Oh - and I also have this little hobby. I am taking a class right now called plant molecular genetics and biotech. - we are making genetically engineered weeds. I am thinking about approaching my professor about working in his lab but we will see. Also - the school I go to (university of california - san diego) has a department that studies medical cannabis (called CMCR - you can find it on the web) - I just sent them an e-mail asking to help out with the research - I guess we will see how that goes to.
Fuck. This has nothing to do with droopy leaves. Sorry.
how dare you comment off topic Tomas :p I hope they let you help with research that would be the shiznitiest haha
I just realized I must have gone to 12/12 long before the ladies were mature...they were at 5 and 7 leaves per fan and now both are showing a max of 11...that probably means the potency and yield will be much lower than it should I'm guessing...Do all plants max out at their genetic leaf amount or do they just keep getting more slowly as they get older?
All of the seeds have sunk and 8 of the 20 have popped open already...well 21 total now...I found a random seed outside walmart haha I just opened the door and there it was on the white line so I took it as a sign and added it to the mix hopefully they'll all open soon (I decided to put the orphan seed in a shot glass just in case it had something transmittable)
The first couple times I chose seeds that looked ok and saved all the best ones for a later attempt...of the 3 strains I have 4 if ya count the orphan...this is the first time I'm using the best looking ones
Be back a bit later time for work