Comes a Time, First Grow, Please Step Inside -- 2000 watt Sour Diesel

OMG! Those pics are HAWT!!
It's pretty disgusting that I can get turned on by a good pic of something other than a nude woman!
Oh welll... Haven't been by the thread in a while, razzapiggy and everything looks GREAT! I wish I were there.
Getting ready to go out on tour for 6 weeks so I will be lurking about sporadically. Just wanted to pop-in and say "hey!"

Thanks for stopping by. Enjoy your tour, kick some ass and when you come back I will be damn close to harvest! Hopefully I don't run out of head room, these bitches shot up like crazy when they went into flowering, they appear to be slowing down a tad with the vertical growth though. Later bro!

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On a final note, I am considering buying one of the "poor mans reverse osmosis" filters. No waste water which is nice, and I was told it should cut the PPM down 30% from the tap. Anyone used em?

Cheers!

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I have never used one, but you might want to consider investing in a couple of 5 gallon jugs and filling your water up at those machines in front of most supermarkets, all of those machines are r/o filtered as well as several different other types, at my market its like $2 for 10 gallons, not too bad at all, just a thought!

Yeah, I actually bought a few of those recently. They sell reverse osmosis water at the local grow store, I was considering grabbing 10 gallons of the filtered water and then putting 15 of the tap water type thing.

I am not against buying all reverse osmosis water, but it will definitely get expensive when these bitches are going to want a gallon of water per day - 'bout fiften bucks a day!!

I think buying the poor mans reverse osmosis is the better move money wise, because I can pay $150 for it, and take my PPM down by 30% and it will last me this next 7 weeks and then at least the next grow! Soo.....we shall see

Just went in the room and gave the babies a shower! 1050PPM and I also Hygrozime was in the water as well - which doesn't show up on the PPM meter.

Already kind of threw this out there, but I would like to again. I definitely am noticing that a few plants are a darker shade of green, a bit more droopy, and just appear weaker than the bunch. I tried to get a decent picture in my above post, don't think it came out great. The confusing thing about the situation (which I don't believe is a huge deal but I am curious) is that the bud developement ont he ones that appear weaker than the bunch have more bud developement than most of the others.

I can try to get a stand alone picture of one of the weaker ones up soon, but I would like to hear some opinions if possible.

Cheers!!!! :pimp:

PPM right around 1050. Plants seem to be handling it nicely, very happy about that. Going to push to 1200 next time, will this be okay with the Hygrozime as well? I vegged this for a bit too long (about 18 inches on average) before forcing them into flower. I have read most of the veritcal growth during flowering is during the first 1/3 of the total flower time. Given that my strain is supposed to flower for 10 weeks, I am approaching the time where they stop growing vertically (hopefully!) I will upload some pictures later, haven't really heard much from the peanut gallery on this thread for a bit, but I will continue to update for those still following! Enjoy!

::crickets:: Where is everyone at? I got so much help through this procces during the boring parts, and I appreciate that! I thought people would be more interested in the exciting time. For now though, everything is all good.. Hope everyone is doing well

Well, for one reason or another the greener ones may be holding more water than the others. Are they taller or shorter than the others?? Are you sure that they are all the same strain?? Did they all get flushed with the same amount of water?? Because they may be holding on to more N from the veg nutes as well.
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Was told everything is the same strain so gotta believe that to be the case until proven otherwise. They were flushed with approximately the same amoutn of water though the way of my measuring that was my own count in my head.

The ones that are darker appear a bit smaller on average, but nothing considerable. I have started to bend the plants down to allow more light to penetrate the canopy and also prevent and problems with head space.

What I did to bend the plants without breaking them is start at the bottom of a node, move up a half inch, bend in the direction I want the main cola to go in. Move up a half inch, do the same. For any newbies reading this and planning to do the same, the trick is to use both hands, and move up a very small amount each time you bend as to prevent the plant from cracking too far

Two of them bent a bit too far, and I used some tie to get it together in hopes it will rejoin its main stem even stronger!

Just got my humidity therm. hooked up, it reads 66 but the problem is it's not right where the canopy of the plants are. I see no signs of fungus at all, but am considering buying a dehumidifer as a precautionary measure. Question is... if my humidity is at 66 a few hours into their "day" what does it get up to at night? Should I be concerned? I also only have one occilating fan going right now, perhaps I should buy another. Some people reccomend using a heater during the night cycle, others reccomend a dehumidifier to prevent molding... what do you guys think? Also wanted to add I did veg for a little longer than I should have the plants are crowding one another a bit more than I had anticipated....any advice is appreciated.

good luck finding an oscillating fan durring the winter....
as for your humidity and mold, as long as you have constant fresh air comming in you should have a problem with it.

It may be pushing it a little. I think that 40% is ideal IMO. I think I said something about that many plants and the space that they take up at the start of your thread, or one of your other ones, but you live and learn. Put the shorter plants in the middle or the taller ones will rob them of light.
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Yeh, I would like to lower it as well Bear. I had some buckets of water laying around in the room, grabbed em out and now my humidity is down to 63 (lights on) yesterday. I am going to look into a dehumidifier. Really would like to see the humidity go down to around 50 or even high 40s. Given that my plants are crowding each other a bit more than I would prefer, I should be especially careful of mold.

Thanks Bear

fresh air flow and constant air flow through your plants is the trick to defeating mold in my percpective. your relative humidity should be an ideal 60%

Went to the grow store to talk to them about the humidity issue and they told me the dehumifier won't even help much unless the vortex fan is off while the humidifier runs... you guys agree? I have a friend who said he disagrees, thinks it will def. help some. Thing is, I can't turn my vortex off during the day because these plants fucking reek!!

As of now, I don't have a closed circuit, just an open one... and cool air is coming in from a vent in the floor. What I was considering doing is stuffing that vent with something to prohibit full air flow, then the air will be drawn in under the door. This air would obviously be dryer... but the plants may not get quite as much fresh air because it would have to go under the door and also through the plastic I put up. What do you guys suggest?

I am considering just biting the bullet and spending the 180 on the dehumidifier, but if it isn't going to work well because the Vortex is pulling air through the room quicker than the dehumid. can work, then there's no point.

Took the humidity right when the lights came on today... 69% humid....one hour after lights came on it dropped to 63. i then plugged up the area where the air from outside was comin in from (in hopes that dryer air would come in under the door) and it dropped to 61. i am curious to ask people would turning off my vortex for 15 mins out of every 60 mins and then turing on the dehumidifier during its off cyle would that help alot? i am surpiserd covering up the area in which the damp air comes in only dropped i t2%....very interested to hear 3what others have done to drop it a few more degrees. other thing i could do is get the fan on a dimmer and set a timer to have it very lightly going during the time in which the dehumidifer is on...can you set the fdan to dim 15 mins out of every hour or no

I just read a thread today where a guy had his RH in the 60's and in the last 4 weeks he started battling powder mold. Sometimes certain strains are more volnrable to the PM, but you need to keep a close eye on things. You can set the fan to come off and on as long as it doesn't get to hot when it is off, because it will draw moisture out of the plants and make the room more humid sometimes.
Racerx, who has a thread in hydro uses a spray to combat possible PM, I would try to hit his thread up and ask him the name of it. It may be in your budget if a D/H isn't.
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I can afford a d/h right now, the only thing is it won't be entirely effective if my Vortex is on. And without the Vortex on, the house reeks! I could maybe put the Vortex and the d/h both on timers, and have the Vortex turn off for like 10 mins out of every hour and the d/h come on. Still, I do think the house will start to really smell in that 10 minutes not to mention I don't want air seeping through the walls into outside our home. I have a friend coming over tonight who has been doing this longer, he is going to give some advice... will keep ya guys posted

cant find the thread, can you post it? with reguards to the spray, i could def. think about doing that but isnt it bad to spray the plants when they are budding...?

Just bought the 50 pint d/h. Got it for 260 with a 3 year warrenty. It uses about 860 watts of energy. I also plugged up the hole in which cold air was coming in from outside, so now my fresh air is being brought it from underneath the doorway...

Now, outside the doorway is a hallway, a bathroom, and another bedroom. If I keep the bedroom door closed often (as well as the door that seperates the hallway from the house) it should work just fine.

I would prefer have the d/h in the actual room, but my Vortex is going to suck out air quicker than the d/h can work. What do you guys do to combat that? I was thinking maybe setting the fan to go off for like 15 minutes out of every hour and then the d/h turns on? I'm not really sure but I know having a d/h outside a locked door isnt the most stealth thing in the world.

Took all buckets with water out of the room, and today the r/h started at 68 right when the lights came on, it has actually dropped to 56 now that the lights have been on a few hours. if i used the d/h while lights are off and vortex fan is on, could i keep the r/h down to about 55% even with the fan running? is 55 a safe range? i am trying to find out how resistent to mold my strain is so i will post the information i get later on. thanks all

Also considering that the bottom 1/3 of the plant really isnt receiving much light, I am considering tripping the whole bottom 1/3 of each plant off in an effort to protect against mold and increaes air flow. What do you guys think, especially interested to hear what Blue has to say

If you are going to proon the bottem, do it soon IMO, i usually lop off about a quarter of the plant and the top just takes off a couple days later because it has the roots to support a larger amount of branches and now with the extra branches gone it is like putting a over size moter in a little Honda and it super charges the growth of the top portions of the plant. Well for the RH, at least you got it down, I would shoot for less than 50, but it may work just fine for you, so just try not to worry too much, and it won't hurt to put the DH in the room with lights out and see what it does for you and also, the smell shouldn't be as strong with the lights out, because it is the heat from the lights that help creat more stink.
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Thanks Bear. Yeah, I am ready to trim the bottom 1/3 of the ladies, but I am curious should I take off only the fan leaves or also cut secondary shoots that are down close to the bottom of the stem?

I was thinking just stay away from areas that shoot into bud sites? Should secondary shoots be cut off though or just leaves? I am going to set up the d/h in the room for the 12 hours that the lights are off, see how it works with the fan on. i really think it will stink up the entire house with the fan off for 12 hours, but I could give it a shot.

If the shoots don't reach up to above 1/2 have of the plant I usually cut unless they already have some little nugs growing that are comprable to the top nugs. If they are stringy I cut them as well, only nugs stay, not the fluffy stuff that feels like a hairy cotten ball.
I cut hole branches off of the bottem, but generally only the branches with small fan leafs, or dying ones, but all the bottem shoots usually go, unless you are wanting to try to make the hash when done, but I don't really mess with the hash, because it can be messy, time consuming and be a bigger problem if LEO finds it.

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Just went into the room, it's 69% r/h with the lights off. Got down to 51% r/h with the lights on yesterday, but it quickly rose to 58% within a few hours.

With reguards to the clipping, I am going to clip alot tonite, but also leave some as well because I was planning to make some hash. But all in all, I think it's better safe than sorry, get rid of the areas of the plant that aren't going to produce buds in order to encourage more airflow in the canopy and lower parts of the plants.

I gave a few of the ladies a nice little prooning today, will finish the rest tomorrow. I am glad you let me know that they might shoot up with growth on top, I really don't have a ton of space to play around with at this point.

I have been bending them quite a bit, and it seems to be working well as the light hasn't needed to be risen in quite sometime now. I know some people will say it's bad to cut any of the leaves off, but for various reasons I ended up veggging too long, and the growth at the bottoms of the plants is becoming very cluttered. That coupled with my battling high r/h, I think this is the right call.

Speaking of height, how close to the ceiling can you get a 1000 watt lamp without any risk of fire?

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to update for those still keeping track. Hope everyone is doing well. Anyhow, ditched the idea of a d/h in the room, I am putting in a space heater instead to bring my temps up. My temps have been getting as long as 45 degrees during their off cycle (sooo fucking cold) and then within a few hours of the lights going on the temps reach around 61-62 (still not even that high!)

My space heater uses 1500 watts it says, that sounds like a shit load. Is it really going to use 1500 watts while on if I set the therm to like 59 degrees? I know 59 is still cold, but I have read you never want your night time temps to be higher than your day time temps. Considering that it takes a few hours to get to 62 (of course that's from 42, with the space heater at 59 I am sure the room would get hotter quicker with lights on) I have also read that most fast flowering plants will not grow effeciently in temps lower than 60 degrees, I think setting my therm at 59 is just fine, right? I would like for the temps to be higher, but I really want to be cautious of confusing the plant with higher temps during the night than day.

Other news, some very slight nutrient burn on the tips of the leaves, nothing huge but going to cut back 900 ppm from 1100ppm (which blows because tap water alone has 460ppm) I know, I know, gotta start buying r/o water. Some of the leaves are yellowing considerably, I am going to try to get pictures up tomorrow but any clue what this could be?

In other news, the buds are really starting to form! I will get some pictures up for you guys to enjoy!

Hey Razz, now you know why people advise folks to start off small. There all kinds of things that we just don't seem to think about with growing untill we are in the diddle of the swamp, knee high in the stink.
Well, MJ plants do thrive best with stable temps, but http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...coco-coir.html is a plant that gets about 30D when lights off for a few hours and 85D when lights on and you can see that it is still thriving IMO.
Those heaters will nock your electric bill up no question, I have one. Make sure that it doesn't come on when the lights are on or it can trip your breaker if you don't have enough ampage on that line.
With lights on temps you can get a spead control for the fan and dial it down so to not take out so much heat, but still taking out the stink.
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wow bro your plants are looking good.... check out my grow log and help me keep it alive..http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-grow-log.html

Blue, it's funny I went to the Hydro Store today and got myself a Dimmer for my fan, I am going to start playing around with this little guy to see if I can't increase my temps naturally before diving in to the space heater.

As for starting off small, yep, I feel that, and was told that by several people but I chose to jump head first and see how the water feels! So far, it's been a bit stressful but I am learning so much more than I could with a tiny operation.

My plan is to leave the fans almost completely off during their night cycle, to keep the warmth in. Since plants don't put off as much scent when it's dark, hopefully I won't run into a problem. For lights on I am going to try 15 minutes on, 1 hour off. This really should keep the heat in the room, and also hopefully lower the r/h a tad. Will keep y'all posted! Pictures to come shortly.

P.S Link is dead blue bear...

Maybe this time, http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=98699
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Thanks it worked that time.

Well, a score for the home team on this one folks! Bought a pretty expensive r/h therm today, one of the wireless ones. Looks as if my first therm. was way off because I have seen my relative humidity rise above 60% so far tonite!!! Whooo---hooo!! Of course, I expect that will drop quite a bit during their night cycle. For any newbies reading this thread, just buy the expensive wireless therm. right off the bat, much less stressful and it's neat, you set a sensor in the garden, and anytime you want to know the rh or temp in your garden you just look at the home unit that you can carry around with you.

Now, my temps with lights off were reaching as low as fifty degrees, however I bought a fan dimmer and also a timer for my fan. I am trying a little experiment...I'm going to try to keep my fan off the entire time the lights are out. I figure my 9 by 11 grow area will have enough air, and it's very important to my that I keep my temps up during the night cycle. Will keep you guys posted, and I promise, pictures are coming within a day or so!

Glad that is getting a little better.
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I wouldnt say its getting better just yet. I think Im going to need to use a space heater either way during the lights off cycle which is a definite bummer as it will cost me quite a bit of money that I had not anticipated as a cost. I will just have to see how much warmer it stays in there with the fan off, I dont anticipate that much warmer but we will have to see... will keep you guys posted on this one.

Okay, so it's time to get a d/h ASAP. My lights off temps have leveled out at 61 degrees Farenheit and SEVENTY SIX percent relative humidity. I have no clue how this is possible. Can someone explain to me how lights on my r/h is getting down to as low as 43%, and then the lights go off, temps drop about 9 degrees, and it goes up as much as 33%? That's fucking nuts.

i had the same problem razz, the way i figure it is that your exahuast is more then likely off when lights are off due to the fact you want to save your heat and this is why your hummidity is going up. also your lights give of heat which should get rid of your humidity.

Yeah, I figured this much was just curious if anyone could come up with anything else. Now I am kind of in a toss up in my head with using a d/h or a space heater to keep it down. Dehumidifers use alot less electricity, and with my temps at 61 with lights off, I figure the d/h alone would raise that a good five degrees. Hey Cruz... a question you may be able to answer. Most d/h say to not use them in rooms under 65 degrees, was your room under when you used it? I figure it probably isn't a huge deal with only being 4 degrees under, not to mention it probably won't even fall under if I am using the d/h most of the day.

i never new that.. interesting. my d/h runs fine under that temp.
And by the way, a heater uses way more energy then a d/h (most heaters are 1500w). Go with the D/h. it will increase your temp. a couple degrees and keep your humidity down. Get a co2 system going and you can take out your ventilation all together! as long as temps dont rise.