New Wave T5 Grow...IM NOW A BELIEVER !!

Here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

Basically, in this context, imagine two exactly identical boxes, completely sealed and 100 percent insulated, except for their power cables. One power cable is 432W and goes into one box. The other power cable is 400W and goes into the other box. Neither box is transforming their respective energy inputs into kinetic energy (e.g., motion, spinning blades, moving turbines, whatever).

The laws of thermodynamics dictate that the 432W box will get hotter, no ifs ands or buts about it. Read the Wiki for an overview of the laws of thermodynamics, or search Wiki for 'Conservation of Energy'.

Now, if that's not the case with a 400-watt HPS light as compared to a 432watt (or whatever) Teklight -- if the heat output isn't greater -- then there must be a reason for that to be so that does not violate the laws of thermodynamics, especially the law of Conservation of Energy, which to date has been deemed irrefutable. The only way I can think of how that could be is if the Teklights have significantly more moving parts than HPS lights (moving parts would transform some of the incoming energy into kinetic energy, rather than light or heat -- small fans for example, do they have fans in them?). That would also explain why they generate less light for more energy - some energy would be diverted into kinetic energy. Otherwise, I have no explanation if they are, in fact, cooler.

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

The laws of thermodynamics dictate that the 432W box will get hotter, no ifs ands or buts about it. Read the Wiki for an overview of the laws of thermodynamics, or search Wiki for 'Conservation of Energy'.

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Fluorescent tubes operate on a completely different principle from the metal halide systems. Whereas the metal halide system relies on light emission from thermal characteristics, the fluorescent system operates through the principles of electron flow and photo-phosphorescence.

To put it in simple words, a metal halide system obey blindly the Kelvin-Planck Statement (systems have a tendency to increase their entropy - heat transformation content). It is a very dirty IR emitter because its principle of operation relies in the increase of entropy itself thus the production of heat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

The Fluorescents tube vacuum is evacuated (only a small amount of vaporized mercury is added to the tube and an argon stabilizer). That allows the free flow of electrons in vacuum (if you prefer the KINETIK energy of electrons inside a minimum resistive medium - less friction).
Heat in the fluorescent system is a byproduct of two processes:
1. It is produced by the ballasts through the flow of current in its resistive transformers capacitors and other components.
3. Energy is also lost when the fast moving electrons colide with the mercury vapor atoms and the stabilizer. That way, the electrical flow is downgraded to atomic kinetik energy (if you prefer the gentle heat that is emitted from the tubes).

Energy is, also, lost due to Electromagnetic fields that escape from the ballast in the 3D space around. (a factor of the ballasts efficiency)
A complex electronic system with various energy transformations cannot be compared by definition with a dedicated heat production machine (if you prefer, experiment to prove the Kelvin-Planck Statement) like the metal halide systems.

So, back to post #157: Not only light, heat and matter can be present on the equation, as you say!

Shit who needs a university... I got a PHD in pot growing lol

get on with your badself madk

I have to disagree with jamstigator, because if what you said was true than you couldn't hang your fluorescents within inches of plants (which you can.)

Run your fans and your CO2 system on a timer so the fans turn off (except for an oscillating) when the CO2 Turns on, I somehow highly doubt you'll have significant heat problems from turning the vents off for an hour a day to give your plants CO2.

Lookin' good Tico! Can't wait to see how much bud you get.

Quick blip in here, CO2 may work, but with a few considerations, the CO2 is most efficient when in the higher temps, above 95F is nice, the needed level of photo synthesis from using T5's is questionable on weather there is enough to make an efficient use of the CO2. There is an argument on weather or not even a 400W HPS can generate enough photo synthesis in the plant to make the use worth the attempt. When you get to using 600w and 1K, the idea is if your not using CO2 then you are just wasting light productivity.
Well, on another note, the dialog on wattage use and heat put is nice and very informed, and let me throw a question or two out there. Jam I like you and am just stirring the waters a little. It seems like many other factors besides wattage can contribute to heat and out put, for instance, a 1K HPS and a 1K MH are going to use the same wattage, but will have a significant difference in heat output. Also in the area of wattage usage, the electronic balase verses a coil based one will perform with the same wattage, but the electronic/digital will be able to consume less energy because of the efficiency of the ballasts ability to generate and use power in the various ways. Just some food for thought.

Now on to the case at hand, as I pulled in some vanilla smoke threw a cob pipe this morning while sitting upon my thrown I pondered the facts of this compelling case and attempted to weigh out both sides of the argument and as I did that, Like a light bulb a thought hit me. We may have a motive, being that the defendant is a covert salesmen for the product in question, but what would be the method in which he is attempted to bamboozle and mislead the jury? I mean, does he take all the plants out every other day and place them in another area? Under an HPS? Wouldn't they out grow the T5 set up and have to be trained. Does he move the arrow cloner for each picture? Seems like quite allot of work IMO.
Well, perhaps the prosecution will make a rebuttal and shed light on these facts in question.
Adieu

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Originally Posted by ticoblunts

U know just a foot note, I saw the T5 lamps on a CSI episode a couple months ago!! they found a grow room full of these lights!!

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T5's are also used to light up sound stages as well for movie makeing.

So it would be a good light to use for the set since the movie company already has them :cool:

OK well if he is lying he has me bought top reasons why!!!!

1. I previously asked him if he thought the results he was getting was due to the lights he replied "no i think its due to the nutrients i use"
2. someone asked him if the lights they found was the same as his but it wasnt from the same place and tico said those are the same thing and told him to get it so unless he fabricates these lights he didnt care where the person got them from
3. also if you think hps works better for you then use it no one is forcing no one to use ne thing

just my 2 cents at least:dance:

Yeah I know! He never once said "YOU GUYS SHOULD TRY IT OUT!" If anything it's just a mild plug of a new type of grow light he was getting great results with. You guys are fucking paranoid, leave the brotha the fuck alone!

Guess who's back? Back again. Pass That's back, tell a friend...

Tico, where did you get the lights?

Specialitylights.com or your friend?

It seems that most people overlooked when tico posted the "FUCK OFF PASS THAT SHIT" pics. It was a clever way to avoid the challenge. If you go back and read the specific request I made, you will see that tico DID NOT follow through.

Go Tico :thumbsup:

i got mine from specialty lights...might not have met your requests but im sure people got a kick out of it!! Yo im putting no gun to anyone's head...ea person is free to buy or not buy what the please...this light just so happens to wk very well for me...and on a personal note, all this bickering about these plants not being for real just makes me feel better with my grow because to tell you the truth I was still weary of its results... The fact that everyone keeps thinking im using some other light just tells me that my plants look just as good or even better than they were under a HPS !! Like I said in my past posts...I dont have to prove anything to anyone...you believe what you wanna believe!!

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Hey Tico, I'm very surprised the site moderators haven't jumped all over you yet. I guess they don't mind soliciting. It was obvious from your first post. I've never seen an original post directed towards hyping up a light system. You keep plugging away at that system every chance you get. I guess you just had to tell everyone to go and get that light system in your first ever post. You're coming across like a light salesman.

Since it's in my blood to stir the pot, I challenge you to prove that your grow is legit. Why don't you put some white out or a piece of tape on one of your leaves and show us an updated pic of them? Or to make it easier, just cut a leaf in half and take a pic of it showing your same setup. I also took notice how your plants went from 4 days of flowering to ONE WEEK in the same day. At the rate you're going, you should harvest in about a week. You should just have put the link and the price for the T5 in your first post. I didn't believe for a minute that the plants in your first ever post were two weeks old. Has anyone ever had plants look like that after two weeks? Are they on steroids? Or are you just hyping up that T5? Did I say T5? I guess since no one caught on, why ruin a good thing right? Keep plugging that T5 away.

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HERE BUDDY...FIRST A WHOLE LEAF THEN A PARTIAL SECONDS LATER!!

All this bickering. What do you want tico to do, throw his lights out and give up. I thought this site was for sharing our same passion for the hobby, not critisizing eachother. Hell i use flourecents, Lets here all the trash about how crappy they are compared to hps & such. If the t5's are working for you then have all the fun you want with them tico. I thought your setup was pretty neat. The only other thing i can say is ignore all energy but positive energy, cause all the arguing just keeps fueling the fire.

I got your back TICO :thumbsup: you helped me out with some info so your ok in my book.:thumbsup:

I think the bickering makes this thread fun!! I especially like to hear people talk about the fact that these plants are all hype!! je je je Bring it on is all I have to say!!

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Originally Posted by ticoblunts

I think the bickering makes this thread fun!! I especially like to hear people talk about the fact that these plants are all hype!! je je je Bring it on is all I have to say!!

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hey tb, hows it goin man??

Hahaha I cant believe this shit man, anyway keep it up man half of these people are probably just upset people.

hey there trivium...we have a couple of grower haters but Im feeling a lot of possitive vibes!! thanks man!!

Tico you know a bit about aeroponics right? What do you think of my simple ultrasonic fogger clone machine set up? (See pics)
I got my idea from the nutramist cloners/ultrasonic foggers.
I plan on having the bottoms of rockwool cuttings exposed to the humidity/fog. Using mild nutrients, superthrive and h202 in the fog solution. Would it be OK to have it going continuously or should I get it on a timer?

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

PS: Your Plants are looking stupendous! Can't wait to see what the final harvest is like.

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Originally Posted by Buddahbear

Tico you know a bit about aeroponics right? What do you think of my simple ultrasonic fogger clone machine set up? (See pics)
I got my idea from the nutramist cloners/ultrasonic foggers.
I plan on having the bottoms of rockwool cuttings exposed to the humidity/fog. Using mild nutrients, superthrive and h202 in the fog solution. Would it be OK to have it going continuously or should I get it on a timer?

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

PS: Your Plants are looking stupendous! Can't wait to see what the final harvest is like.

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I would probably have them on continuously with like you say a mild nutrient solution...you should see some roots poppin in about 7-10 days!! :stoned:

Thanks for the possitive vibe!!

LOVE TICO LOVE

more pictures!!

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:D hey GK thanks brotha...right back at ya!! As soon as I get home I will try and get some more pics posted!! :dance: :stoned:

heres some pics taken 2day!!

Excellent, Tico. What week of bloom are you on now? 4 or 5?

Very nice pics. Those T5 lights are looking better & better. :D

TGF

Hey there GreenFog:pimp:!! If Im not mistaken these plants are 28days into flowering...still a while to go :dance: I think they look pretty good for their age. Tomorrow they get a water change so that will give them a nice jolt of energy!!

I was looking at a thread on here about excelofizz co2 tabs...Im thinking about using these on the next grow...any reader of this thread have personal experience with this product? I really dont want to invest in a big co2 setup!!

Im glad you like the pics and plants TGF!! Good Smokes to you my man !!

Yea, 4 weeks. Looks about right. Better than mine at 4 weeks, but of course, you are using those kickass T5 lights! :D Hehe. Well, some of mine are starting week 6 and the others are starting week 4. Had a tragedy the other night...broke a stalk. Will post about it in my thread. You'll hafta come check it out. We don't have cool T5 lights, but got lots of CFLs and 400w HPS.

About the CO2, I don't know anything about those tabs, but I have heard of them. Seems to me that CO2 is best administered through the air, but who knows, maybe those tabs will work. The other thing is the heat factor. I know you had almost a whole page talking about this before, so I won't ramble. But isn't CO2 best utilized in higher temps?

TGF

yeah actually i did read that Co2 is better used in higher temps...im such a stoner je je je...ive been following your thread for while now...what a journal!! je je je

Thanks, man. Yea, gotta love pics. I just looked back on the first page of mine. Whoa...what a change since then. SO much foliage...I can remember when 13 plants (seedlings) fit VERY nicely in our wittle veg room. LOL. Oh how they grow. :D

TGF

Wow, you're using that for the whole grow and those buds are looking good for the light you're using...I might just buy that one light and see how it goes for me lol.

I didnt believe it myself when I saw what my buddy's results were!!

Starting to show lots of crystal content!!

That's looking damn nice. How long has it been flowering for now?

I think he said 28 days yesterday. :thumbsup:

NICE plants, Tico.

I know those lights are very good, but it also has a lot to do with the hydroponics system, and the dialed-in nutes. Right, Tico?

Anyway, good sh*t. I wanna see what you yeild off that. Looks like it's gonna be about 2, maybe 3 oz per plant. and you have 6 or 8 plants? I can't remember. Nice. That's 12-24 ounces. :eek:

Keep us posted with the pics.

Thanks for the comment you left in my thread...........not. LOL j/k.

:rasta: :thumbsup:

TGF

Are those CO2 tablets for folyer spray? If not and they are for the soil, they might not really do anything, roots like O2 and the greenery likes and needs the CO2. But I havn't looked them up, just something to keep in mind.
Keep up the good work.
Adieu

I have a quick question for all the light wiz's dont know if this makes any sense or not but why not ask it you know? If you have a HPS lights which generates more heat means you have to place this light farther from the the plant correct? Now if you have one of these light setup's you can place the lights 3" from the top of the plants. I dont know if lumens disperde pending on the distance it is from the plant but doesnt this light setup have more of an advantage compared to a HPS becasue it has to be farther.

Ex. 400HPS = IDK lets say 50,000 lumens but has to be 12" from the plant
Ex. T5 = IDK lets say 20,000 lumens but can be placed 3" from the plant

now you have twice the amount of lumens but your also 4 times closer to the plants then you would be with the HPS .

p.s. like i said i dont know if this makes any sense but seemed like an interesting question to me so pls let me know thanxz

Hi RUSTA

ventilation and temp control is KEY.. when it comes to using HPS lighting..

you are correct.. it is basically a joke to be using HPS lighting and then have it 12+ inches from your foliage (there are exceptions)... it looses 1/2 of its lumens every 12 inches.. YIKES!!!!

BUT it is very possible to have 400-1000 watt HPS bulbs 2-12 inches from your foliage.. and grow some fore arm size NUGS

and NOW you KNOWM

Tico those buds are looking so delicious!
I'm so happy to see these things produce nice buds as well as nice vegetation!

hey tico from what i see in your pics you have 8 bulbs? if so that only generates 400w ?

Buddahbear: these buds do look great!! Still a while to go and things are looking just as they should be!!

Rustafa: 8 bulb system thats correct...the place i got them said 434w i think(little high here)...i will go and check on that for you and let you know...

Heres some pics taken today!! 33 days I think im gonna have an albhino bud...some wierd shit...you will see that on one of the babies thers some leaves with no pigmentation...the fan leaf that i removed from that side was also 95% white!! I thought that it would be just that fan leaf but it looks like the next leaves are the same abd the bud hairs seem to be whiter!! I guess its a fenomenom of nature!

Smoke on people!! Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly!!

how much you think you're gonna get? QP HP?