i can encourage him to stand up for me and our son if i want...okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
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i can encourage him to stand up for me and our son if i want...okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Dear god you people just need to go smoke a fucking bowl. Read my posts. All of them. They make sense. You cant REALLY regulate guns or weapons of any sort for that matter.
Well since it seems that manyof you, including babysnookums dont like to read a lot im reposting my post off the last page.
So has everyone agreed that guns arent the cause of all our violent problems?
If you ACTUALLY believe that guns being outlawed will lower violent crime rates you are FUCKING INSANE!!!!!
If you fucking outlaw guns then some people will just see it as their oppurtunity to start an army and take shit over. When a bank robber screams, I HAVE A FUCKING GUN AND I WILL USE IT!!!, i have this strange feeling that if YOU were in that bank, you would be HOPING someone else had a gun as well. Not a fucking knife or stick or their hands, you would want someone to have a goddamm gun, and you would want them to know what to do with it.
Take EVERYONE'S guns and some big fat and powerful rich fucker WILL make more.
Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.
Also, I think we should outlaw all teachings of the Martial Arts. Will ANYONE argue that the martial arts is anything more than a way of hurting and even killing someone with only your body? Dont get me wrong...I LOVE fights. I even like to fight every once in a while, I watch all UFC fights, but im saying this for the sake of argument.
If one has never been beaten up and one learns martial arts, isnt that equivelent to one going out and buying a gun when that person may have never been assaulted?
The whole point im trying to make is that guns, nor weapons of any kind are the main problem. The human nature is the problem. If someone wants to harm us or does harm us, then we want to harm them back, and many times we want to harm them worse so they "learn their lesson".
If you take all guns away, I do agree, deaths from guns would decline, I wont say cease because of how easy it is to make a homemade gun, BUT it would only be a matter of time before more were made. And if you dont realize this you havent taken a look at the real world lately.
Leaders of countries would only look for ways to kill or hurt people on a larger scale and because you cant also outlaw chemicals and other volitile substances, they would turn to bombs, mortars (simple ones being nothing more than a big bottle rocket) and other types of mass killing devices.
Thats my 2 cents and I think a lot of you %100 gun haters need to read this and think about it before saying guns need to be banned.
You have to look at the consequences of what would happen if they were to be. The world only gets more violent. If people have their guns taken, they are going to look for other ways with which to defend and kill with.
Taking the guns away wont solve much. The real problem is education or lack thereof. Education and helping people are the only ways of actually reducing crime rates. Look at the UK. Violent crime has GONE UP since their gun ban, if you dont believe me go look it up.
As long as mankind lives there will always be someone who wants to get things the free and easy way. Many times that involves violence or the threat thereof. And I personally want to be protected against someone elses insanity.
And in the end All im saying is dont continually cry "No guns! No guns!", instead, cry for education and order to be brought to people, along with a sense of responsibility. Thats what is needed more than anything.
Don't bother bro, they are sheep. They choose to be sheep, unwilling and unable to defend their own lives in the dangerous world we live in.
I will never be unarmed, i will always own guns and if they want to try to take mine they will have to have their own, advance through a wall of lead then beat me down with my own gun cause the motherfucker will be empty.
Call me a fucking redneck cause i said that. thats fine. But i really think some of you should lighten up on the redneck and inbred comments. If you dont personally know anyone from the South and you still say shit like that FUCK Y'ALL, ALL Y'ALL.
Like it was said earlier, you cant take em all away. You cant do it. There are too many. Plus there are too many "rednecks" who just simply wont let theirs be taken.
i just saw on the news at 10 that a man was attacked in his driveway in the early morning, and the attackers were about to go for his daughter, and he went inside and shot the attackers. look it up. stark county, ohio. I WIN!!
HAHA.....thatta boy....way to hit one for the home team.....
you know M4sterchef, the first time I read that post of yours, I thought it was inane. But the second time, since you're just reposting things now... well the second time I thought it was even more inane and redundant to boot. But oh well.
Are guns responsible for all violent crime? No. Has that even come up as an issue? No. Nobody thinks that banning guns will cause a decrease in assaults with knives, or clubs, or rubber bands for that matter. But it will decrease the number of assaults with guns.
You seem to think that by pointing out that other objects can be used to kill people, we should all come around to your view. The fact is, most of those other objects all have legitimate uses. You can't build a house with a gun. And despite DHM's claims about being able to shoot down trees, I don't consider that very practical. A gun is an instrument used solely to kill. Explain to me why, in a society, we should all be allowed to own instruments of death?
Bearing in mind that you obviously have to draw the line somewhere. I mean, we can't all own tactical nukes right? So where do we draw the line for the good of society. Bearing in mind that what is best is not always what is most comfortable. Could you give up your guns for a better world?
Can you encourage him to stop using all caps?Quote:
Originally Posted by BabySnookums
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Just reading all this arguing makes me tired. No minds will be changed, I know this sounds like hippy bullshit but can't we just agree to disagree?
only if the other people stop being idiots :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
yup, guns are for pussies who arent man enough to fight with their fists.:dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by justinsane
quote from m4ster chef - Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.
target practise for what? They plannin on using their guns outside of their sport?, guns shouldnt exist, end of story!
Howdy Y'all,
Guns don't kill--humans do..it's just that simple.
Criminals don't obey the law..that's why they are criminals..it's just that simple.
If yer foolish enuff to place yer safety in the hands of others,then you deserve what you git--call 911...and die..it's just that simple.
If you bring a knife,bat or fists,to a gunfight..yer gonna lose..it's just that simple.
Here in Texas,guns are looked at as useful tools for hunting and gittin rid of predators that attack our livestock,as well as defending our family's and homes,when we are far away from a police response.
I got my first gun when I was only 11 years old,a single shot 22,then I got a semi-auto 22 rifle,I worked for the money and got them on my own,my dad saw how responsible I was and bought me a 30-30 Winchester,when I was 12 or so,and we went out deer hunting and I got my first buck,an 8 pointer. Back in the early 70's,we could even bring our guns to school and as long as we didn't take em out of our cars and trucks,it was okay. Many a time,we brought our rifles to school,so that we could go huntin and plinking,after school. Then modern liberalism raised it's ugly face..and suddenly ,guns were to be feared and the students were no longer trusted to be responsible for their guns. It was one of the silliest things we'd ever heard..I reckon that the liberals couldn't understand that we feared the wrath of our parents,if we mis-used a gun,more than what any cop would do.
Have a good one ...
I could argue that fists are for people that aren't man enough to talk things out, what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Pipes
Forget it people...this guys a hit and run insult machine...
well sometimes you can't talk your way out of a situation, in my town ppl start fights for absolutely no reason, just to entertain themselves, especially at the weekends, even the bouncers at the pubs and clubs will find a reason to look good by beatin ppl down, but i'd still rather defend myself with my fists than with bullets, like i said, guns are for pussies who cant fight, and about those pics u posted torog, if women want to defend themselves they dont need guns to do it, thats what self-defence classes and martial arts are for, a female can handle themselves as well as any male, sometimes better, believe me i know this to be true, i had plenty of kicks to the stones by females;) and seen females kick the crap outta some big lads too :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
I totally agree with what Torog said. Guns are useful tools where he lives. Granted I dont live in Texas but have been there many times, and have lots of relatives there.
Now, polymerize, how do you propose that we control guns? Hmmm?
Since we obviously cant destroy every single one, there must be a method for controlling them.
And as for whoever said that guns "shouldnt exist", you need to FUCKING WAKE UP YOU GODDAMM STUPID ASS MOTHER FUCKER!!! THEY DO! So YOU need to come up with a way to deal with it instead of just saying that they are the cause of all our problems and that they're instruments of death.
And as far as instruments of death, have you ever eaten beef? Just answer me that. Have you ever eaten pork? Chicken? Come on...tell me.
And Im sick of you stupid ass motherfuckers talking about talking shit out with your fists. FUCK THAT! People dont fight fair these days. The last TWO fights i was in i got jumped on AFTER i was already fighting. Im fairly positive that if i hadnt had a good friend there that basically fights for a living, i would've got beat the fuck down.
And polymerize, are you telling me it would be a better world if us law abiding citizens gave up our means of protection (whether YOU want to give up yours or not) against the evil scum that would look to harm us in this harsh world? Are you saying that you would rather someone assault you with a knife (which has been PROVEN more dangerous than a firearm at combat range) than a gun?
This is a quote that i found that fairly well says what i am trying to say.
"I am a strict rule follower, and I always have been. When I turned 18 (legal age), and all my friends were younger, I bought my first rifle. All of my friends already had a few. When I needed a longer barrel to be legal I welded a muzzle break on mine ($50). None of my friends would have cared. The point is gun control doesnâ??t work. It only stops those like me, the rule followers, and the ones that will need to defend them selves. The law breakers will just break another law. We need nothing or all, so if we canâ??t un-invent them then we should be able to have them.
I am a boy scout at heart. Always prepared. I donâ??t know what the future holds. I may go to work tomorrow and need a drill. Or I go to work and get shot at by a disgruntled worker. That is why I have a drill in tool box and a gun on my ankle.
From what I have heard the kids at Columbine broke 27 laws. Would 28 or 29 have helped? I think not. The point is that one law will stop me, but it wonâ??t stop those who break laws.
Now it sounds like I like guns I DONâ??T. If right now I could un-invent them I would. But you would see me tomorrow with a sword on my back. Still as prepared as ever.
So till you un-invent the gun, Iâ??ll be sitting here with two on me, and more at home."
Now i want everyone to read this.
i said guns shouldnt exist, are u condoning the use of guns??? u make me sick, i guess u must support the kind of ppl who massacre innocent kids with guns, if guns didnt exist, gun crime wouldnt exist, accidental deaths by guns wouldnt exist, therefor there would be less death in this world, and when i said guns shouldnt exist, i meant ALL guns that are owned by EVERYONE who uses guns, you can argue that its ppl who kill ppl and yes you'd be right, but its easier to stop a madman who has a knife than it is to stop a madman with a gun, if u cant see that then ur even more of an idiot than i first thought, i have nothin against u personally, but anyone who condones gun violence is as sick as the terrorists who attack innocent civilians.
Well then fuckin make em dont exist. Goddamm it. you cant go back in time.
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Originally Posted by Torog
First off torog, I'm sure it's easy to blame the libs for the fact that guns aren't allowed on school campuses anymore, but face facts. The problem was some of these people decided to start bringing their guns to school and shooting people. They weren't told to do so by the liberals, they just thought it sounded like a good idea.
You're probably right that liberals don't understand fearing your parents. but I don't see why that is relevant. Sounds like a whole 'nother issue for you conservatives to me...
And for you Tadaa, how to control? simple. make gun possession illegal. Sure, cops and military personal can still have their guns, when acting in regards to their duties, but regular citizens can't. All law-abiding persons would obviously turn theirs in then, and so we'd feel fine about "criminals" being busted for firearm possession.
get ready to hear the same thing again... "just becasue guns are illegal doesn't mean you're safe" or.. "then should we outlaw cars as well"Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
seems to be the only thing any of these people know how to say, or maybe it's just because that's the only argument they can put up...
as to torog: i'm going to quote someone....
"the NRA says guns don't kill people, people kill people... but i think the gun helps... you're not going to kill a whole lot of people just saying bam, you'd have to be really dodgy on the heart for that"
^^ hell yeah. Izzard knows how to lay it down. But can you imagine Torog watching one of his acts?
actually that would be hilarious
now that would be funny....Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
in his sexie live special he actally comes out with fake tits... lol....
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Originally Posted by Wesley Pipes
If there weren't any bad people in the world there would be no crime, what's your point? Your views are unrealistic and 100% irrelevant in this argument.
I'm sure you'd also feel fine about criminals being the only citizens with guns, right? You're a fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
1. I'd say probably 75% of law abiding citizens wouldn't turn in their guns, and if the U.S ever tried to ban guns there would be a civil war, but they won't ever try and ban guns so you can get that out of your head right now.
Just know that I am armed to the teeth and loving it, and there isn't a godamn thing you or anybody else can do about it:D
What's the point of baning guns if only the law abiding people turn them in? They aren't committing crimes with them, so gun crime would stay the same. Jesus, are you really that simple minded that you couldn't figure that out on your own?
hey torog,ready to go hunting my friend,i bring the weapons and you bring the truth and reality and some quotes and we will do just fine.let me see where will this one goesQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Generally speaking, fighting in any form (excepting sporting events like martial arts tournaments) is for idiots who can't control their tempers or are too stupid to argue a point with their intellect and simply want to impose their will on others. If some one is coming at me with fists, a knife or club, or any other weapon, all bets are off and I am going to assume that the fool wants to kill me and therefore I will attempt to disable or, if absolutely necessary, kill that person first. Therefore I will pick up and utilize any weapon available to me from a rock to a bowling ball or if it's handy, my trusty 9mm. Especially if said nutcase is in my house. Never lose site of the fact that we humans are still animals and are not nearly as far removed from that animal behavior and instinct as we would like to believe. Your assertion that it is more noble or manly to fight with your fists, as well as your insistance on taking weapons away from law abiding responsible citizens, therefore attempting to force the rest of the world to agree with your views, is a perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Pipes
BTW...nice to see erceg back in the game. hope you're feeling well.
I think this is the most intelligent thing that has been said over these 8 pages of debate. It seems that most people are talking about protecting themselves, their property and loved ones, and using guns as the means. I personally wouldn't choose this option, but as long as guns are legal, others should have the right to make their own choice. Some also use guns for recreation, and that's cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
It's the people that use/have guns irresponsibly, without regard for it's deadly potential that piss me off. Or the (mostly) men who see them as some kind of status symbol, some extension of their masculinity(sp?). Oh, yeah...and the criminals...I don't think you should be happy about criminals with or without guns! Of course, we are all probably criminals here, since we're on a marijuana website. :D The NRA also pisses me off. They don't seem willing to compromise on any issues, or work with lawmakers towards a middle ground on gun issues.
Now, I don't own a gun, nor do I want to. But, I'm glad I have that choice and that others get to decide for themselves.
Howdy erceg,Quote:
Originally Posted by erceg
Yeeehhhaaawww !!! Heck yeah ! I'm ready !
I tell you what,some folks sure do have some funny ideas about guns,I don't know why they don't understand,a bullet is the one thing,that criminals and politicians fear..the way I see it,the goverment and criminals,should be afraid of us,not the other way around.
Have a good one ! :stoned:
do you sell propane and propane accessories?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Polymirize,Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Yup..it's real easy to blame liberals for nutty stuff..lol.
Btw,you do realize that I'm talking about the '70's ?
Since then,liberals have taught a whole generation of kids to fear guns or in HollyWeird's case,to idolize them and make status symbols of em. If some of the teachers at Columbine school,had been armed,it would have saved many lives,if there weren't no gun zones around the school,folks could have rushed to the students and teachers aid. You may as well put up a sign saying "We are unarmed and helpless ",in fact,I dare those of you against guns,to put a sign like that in yer yard and see how quick it is,before you become a victim.
In regards to fearing the wrath of one's parents,once again,the liberals stepped in and said that we should treat our children like little adults and friends..as a result,we see the problems that we have today with children..liberal's answer to behaviour problems,is to medicate the child..rather than true discipline.
So..how many folks are you willing to make victims of criminals,before the toll becomes too high and we realize that folks have the right to defend themselves,with a gun if need be ? Bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight,is sure to git ya killed.
Have a good one !:stoned:
I like guns. I'm not giving up mine because some ass face doesn't know how to use his properly. Gun crime sucks, but what causes more death, accidental gun shot wounds, or cigs?
Howdy slip,Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
Well..I tell you what--it'd be an honor..to sell propane and propane accessories..lol:D Even though I prefer charcoal and wood in my bbq grill.
Have a good one ! :stoned:
I think he thinks you're a serious redneck. But anyway....i see that the anti gunners are quiet...
long live ted nugent and his arsenel.now that music man has some weapons and is proud of it.i went to a concert in nevada on on border of calif and nev in tahoe and ted comes out and tells gray davis,fuck off and he had his guns and that machine gun he has is kick ass.we the ppl have the right so on and so forthQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
i second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
erceg i like the arsenal, it makes me proud! someone has there head on right.
u have a glock airsoft gun? i used to have one... its what persuaded me to get a real one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erceg
innyway... i am not gonna say the same shit over and over again. heres how it is. guns are never gonna be eradicated. there should be some better control, because for every law abiding citizen with one there is a criminal or gang banger to match. i live in an area with one of the worst gun crime rates in the USA. That is why i have guns. i think that if someone has a clean criminal record, they can go ahead and get a gun. hunting is fine. it is regulated so that these animals arent going to go extinct. so all you fucking hippies, please stop bitching. thats my two cents for now.