What strain would you pick?

Rasta = 16? hmm. Im only 18. He is quite educated in this field, and so are you Turtle420. I feel far behind for being a simple hobbyist.

I need to come on the forums more than just a few days a week, I see I missed a bit.
At least I get the benifit of learning.

BTW: It's Seltzer water that doesnt have those sugars in it? I kinda made the mistake and used tonic water on a plant a bit long ago and it kinda left a thin film of sticky substance on her. She grew tho, and it went away..
(I sometimes will do something stupid.)

Hey Bonez,

Thanks for the complements. I trully learned everything I know from these boards and Overgrow's FAQs.

Before these boards, I would have sworn that the best nutes for cannabis plants where Orchid nutes... I just wasn't informed at all. :p

As to the seltzer water... no idea. Sorry. Let's see if Rasta or somebody knows.

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Update...

In the pic, you can see the girls. My favorite is the little one. :) But, I really doubt I'll take any clones off her... she's just growing too slow.

The other ones, I LSTed them on Wednesday (Day 43). I tied up the base of the stem, then tied the gardening wire to an upper part of the plant (stem). Then, being carefull not to 'snap' them, I pulled the wire, and there... they're bent.

What most impressed me was that, within 2 hours of being tied, the stem was already growing upwards! In less than 120 minutes the plant took measures because of its new situation... wow...

Today, I tightened the wires a little bit. I'm trying to get them not to grow that tall... Remember, I ain't going to flower these... these are the mothers. Problem was that my planned mother cab, is 12"x12" with a height of 24". And in those 24", it has to fit the pot (aprox 6"), and the CFL fixtures on top. So, that doesn't leave that much room for the mothers. So I tied them up. hoping they fit nicely in their cabinet (yet as un-built).

Secondary growth is coming along... but DAMN! I need to wait for the secondary growth, of THAT secondary growth so I can clone... this sucks. I should have started over way back in August. :(

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

I use canada dry "tonic water" never had a problem with a sticky film building up.... may be the brand you are using, check the ingredients throuroughly. Turtle, you need to think about transplanting very soon... I don't know why I didn't say anything before as this could be a huge problem... The most logical action would be to kill off the runts and transplant your two bigger plants into 3 gallon pots. Their roots are fighting for space.. this is gonna inhibit growth majorly.

Peace

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I use canada dry "tonic water" never had a problem with a sticky film building up.... may be the brand you are using, check the ingredients throuroughly. Turtle, you need to think about transplanting very soon... I don't know why I didn't say anything before as this could be a huge problem... The most logical action would be to kill off the runts and transplant your two bigger plants into 3 gallon pots. Their roots are fighting for space.. this is gonna inhibit growth majorly.

Peace

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Hey Rasta, good to see your post.

Here's the situation: I thought that I would be able to clone for sex before they got too big... then, once I knew the females, I would kill off the males... and just leave their roots in the pot.

Do you think that root-space crunch will inhibit them growing properly, for them being mother plants?

I can replant... I've got no problem. Let's see how good of a green thumb I have...

What size pots? 3gallon? Again, they're just mothers.

I've planned a 1'x1' with 2' height mother cab. Once I clone my 15, for the actual hydro grow, I'll put the mothers into that 1x1 cab. So, if I've got too big pots, they won't fit in the 1x1. PLUS SIDE: I still haven't built the 1x1 mother cab. What do you think? Make it bigger?

I'm just trying to stop this grow from consuming every inch of my house... stuff here and there.... cabinet in the closet... cabinet over there... LOL!

Rasta, thanks for the input... awaiting your thoughts on the matter. :)

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:

"I would kill off the males... and just leave their roots in the pot. "


Precisely what I was suggesting you do with the "runtier" plants you have.. The roots will simply break down and further fertlize your soil! And yes, a three gal would be best for your mother plants, they are going to endure a long life, and, well, roots don't exactly stop growing.. base your cabinet dimensions on how much space two 3-gals take up (I'm gestimating 2' by 3') + however many feet of vertical growth space you need with and work with that. Let me know how things go...

Peace
-Rasta

Hello Rasta, guys,

I've been thinking:
I want to use my current plants as mothers, for my grows. For this grow that I'm going to do, I'd like to take 15 clones.

Expecting the semi-worst case scenario, where I end up with only one female out of my four plants... Can 15 clones be taken from one plant? How big does it have to be? Should I give her 'vertical' height (as I'm LSTing her)?

I'm just wondering if 15 clones from one plant is possible...

Next thing: Cloning ETA; When the hell am I going to be able to clone?!
I mean, as Rasta said, I've got to wait for the secondary growth, of the secondary growth... so, more or less, the third growth.

Problem is, my current secondary growth sucks! I mean, they're just tiny-ass little leaves!

I've got fresh air coming in (100% sure), I've got 400W worth of MH less than 3 inches away from them... I'm watering with a mix of Brita-filtered water (still haven't hooked-up the RO filter yet)... The mix is: water, SuperTHRIVE, Schlutz Cactus Food, FulMag, and bat guano (10-2-0).

Jesus!!! They're growing so freaking slow!!! I'm going insane!

Here's my crisis: I'm expecting, since the day I can take the 1st clones to 'clone for sex', it's going to take 30 days to actually start the grow... The math is, more or less,:::
15 days, 1st clones 12/12 to 'clone for sex
then I know my females...
15 days for 2nd clones, then use them in the actual 15-clone grow.

So that gives me 30 days... and my secondary growth, as I see it, isn't nowhere near ready to get cloned... not even in 2 weeks... so, I won't be even STARTING my actual grow before January 15th!!! So, I'm harvesting for April ?!!! And smoking in May?!!?!!!! OH MY FUCKING SWEET FUCKING GOD!!!

This can't be... it just can't be! Somebody PLEASE help me out... I can't ... Oh god....

Seriously disturbed by the slow-ass space-time fabric flow through space,

-turtle420 :cool:

PS: My temps hover during the night around 80-82 Farenheit... and during the day, they're about 88F, with a peak of 90-91F.

Heya turtle.

I see your in a situation.

Do you honestly have to take 15 clones? You could take near 5-10 with 2 plants and them veg them for another 3-4 weeks, and flower. ( In 2-3 weeks more of veg to get more growth )

I think you could harvest that around january / febuary.

You could harvest later down the road if you wanted to LST your clones and get even more bud, but thats not cool for ya since your gonna wait.

By the way, your plants would almost double in size once your start flowering them if ya didnt know.

wassup turtle..sorry to hear the grows getting you frustrated growens a hard job but u cant move a mountain over night and even if you knew how to it'd take years to learn the skillz to make that task possible...i guess what im trying to say is this being your first grow dont overexhaust yourself take every step in stride and experience...that being said hope the best for your grow...p.s. photosynthesis occurs best for these plants at 74-76 degrees maybe thats whats stunting your growth could it be something as simple as that?!lets wait to see what the elders say...

Hi turtle.. Im gonna be a complete noob and suggest that you feed it tap water :confused: just leave it in an open container for a few hours before giving it to the plants.. and don't hold back on the pictures ;)

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Hi turtle.. Im gonna be a complete noob and suggest that you feed it tap water :confused: just leave it in an open container for a few hours before giving it to the plants.. and don't hold back on the pictures ;)

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Fugitive...

I'll take your advice. I'm going to take the wierd plant and feed her plain, filtered (Brita) and left-sitting-for-24-hours tap water... let's see what happens.

I'll post pics later today, then more to come as the updates get around.

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Joel,
Thanks for the input my friend. :)
As to the 15 clones, well... I just wanted to get as much bud as possible... so I thought up of the '15' number... any and all input is welcome. The cabinet is 20"x40"... definitely have to LST/SCRoG them. I've got a cool tube, which will have 1000W when flowering (600W HPS + 400W MH). So, I think that for my 20x40, 1000W is pretty good... if not super good.

Then I thought, 15 clones... at least 1 ounce per plant... 15 ounces... :) = turtle happy. Happy happy turtle. :D

Please, input if you will.

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What's up BkSkillz!
Thanks for your reply dude...

Your input really helped. This quote calmed me down:
this being your first grow dont overexhaust yourself take every step in stride and experience...

True, true.

More updates to come in a while guys! :)

Thanks for everything all,

-turtle420 :cool:

Quick Update of Day 50...

Couple of picks. Secondary growth, at least in my eyes, is picking up.

Small plant growing... but slowly.

They've been LSTed... and they seem quite happy.

Comments welcomed.

Laters,

-turtle420 :cool:

Ohl yeah things are finally gonna speed up! You have the secondaries, now they're going to start growing. If you pay close attention to the growth pattern of cannabis you'll notice the longest accomplishment is formation of the actual plant parts themselves.. once they are "established" (as I like to say) growth begins at a much faster rate. This applies to branches, secondaries, even individual leaves themselves... Looking good!!! Keep it up...

Peace :pimp:

Hello,

Out-of-the-blue question:

How long do you wait before restarting your ballast... if you happen to shut it off for some wierd unexplainable occourence?

Some fluxiations in The Matrix caused my ballast's power strip to be clicked to off... and I tried turning it back to ON, but the bulb wouldn't light up.
So I turned off power and I find my self in the process of waiting some 30 minutes to try and turn it ON back again.

That's it. Random question.

BTW: My new electricity bill arrived... it came around 50% higher... !!!

Here are a pic of the girls...

Question: The yellowing leaves on the first photo... that's normal, right?

Should I worry? I see them healthy and happy. Thanks for the input guys!

-turtle420 :cool:

Hello turtle,

Hope you're doing good. :) Always good to see myself reading my posts. ;)

Anyways turtle, I had a quick question: Why do your plants have secondary growth 'alternately'? I mean, they have the secondary growth, but it goes like this: left side, right side, left side, right side....

For every node in the plant, there's only one secondary growth growing... instead of two at each side.

Ideas?! I'll wait for you to think about it during the day, and then post the reply here... then I'll re-read my post to find the answer! PERFECT!

[BTW: It's getting lonely in here guys :( ]

lol, awwww I'm so sorry been busy, you know how looking after the garden is :). God damnit am I like the only one who's actually interested in this shit? Anyway no worries about the wierd alternating nodes, it's just a deformity, the only thing you can do is keep her growin... Updates? :)

Updates...

Well, I ran them with the lights ON until 11am today... instead of shutting them OFF at 1am... This I did, to try and offset the high temperatures I was seeing during the afternoon.
So I re-scheduled the 6 hours of darkness (they're on 18/6) during the hottest part of the day - the afternoon. So, @ about 6pm today (yeah, I know, 7 hours... I'm working on it...) they had their morning.
18/6 follows as usual.

Temperatures during the afternoon? 85F... :) As good as it'll get.

I'll get a couple of pics uploaded... I'm just too stoned and chillin' right now to go to the other computer... When I opened the box, I watered them... and saw that I should re-LST them a little bit more. Just the daily updates on their training.

Secondary growth on one of them is really picking up... I think it's a male. Just got a gut feeling. Anyway, we'll be cloning for sex ASAP... we'll know then for sure. Got to build that mother cab.

I want to get the fogger setup... thinking about that really hard... hmmmm... foggy roots.... :D :D :D

@ the top of the cabinet, I installed one 6" fart fan rated @ 90 CFMs...
and a 50 CFM one over @ the window, getting fresh air in. Inside the cabinet, I've got a 10" (I think) desktop fan blowing air over the tops of the plants.

The little plant decided to respond... the LSTing of the other plant, started to give her more shade than she liked... sooooo... She's growing! Fighting with her bigger sisters (or the bully big brother... :( )

Pics to follow soon! :)

-turtle420 :cool:

Pics... as promised...

What do you think of the secondary growth?
What about the alternating nodes?
Overall?

Hello Rasta,

Hey dude, are these pre-flowers?

THANKS!

-turtle420 :cool:

Looking good, looking good... No pre-flowers yet, I'd say your still a month off or so. When people say sex shows in the second month, that's under the impression you are armed with nothing less than the best in ventalation, lighting, and nutrients. Most probably, these plants will be alive for 4 months before any of them start showing sex, but hey that's all part of growing. Certainly nothing to worry about.. some of us just have to wait longer then others :( But have faith, keep them alive, and one day, you will be enjoying the fruits of your labor :)

Peace

I have those lil guys on my plant. it took like 4 weeks for them to shoot one or two of those white guys out
The image is kinda hard to see, but its right where my middle finger is. (I have a ****y camera.

your plants are steadily rising into green healthy mothers. :)

Im learning quite a bit from what your doing. :)

:thumbsup: Turtle my gamertag on halo is the same "BukDatAss" add me to ur friends list

Hello Turtle :) This is where you are growing, I had no idea :o I really must venture off the indoor growing section a little more ;)

I've had a quick read through and it's all a bit to technical for me :o but it looks like you're doing a great job, I'll have a better read when I can ;)








love mand xxx :)

Rasta,
Thanks for the replies dude. I'll keep this updated.

Bonez,
Thanks for the pic. Lets see when those freaking pre-flowers show on my girls.

BukDatAss,
I'll send you the invite ASAP... then, we'll woop some ass to the noobs. :D

Mand,
Thanks for visiting and posting!!! Yeah, so this is my little 1st experiment. Lets hope my plants are as healthy as your desirable, un-complicated grows!

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Wuhuuuu!!! I've got replies! Rasta and Me aren't the only ones !!! :D

More updates with pics a little later,

-turtle420 :cool:

hey

hey turtle waz good my dude glad to see your grows taken off the patience comen in handy aint it.. now i gotta practice what i preach with my grow..is it me or do other people invision an english dominatrix with a glass of brandy in one hand and a bottle of superthrive in the other when they think of mand?...first step to recovery is admiting you have a problem...what problem?

^-It might be just you. lol; Actually I see it too.

So you both also play Halo online? interesting :)

Plants are gonna look hell-a-lot better then mine.
Cant wait till I get out of rent and into the other house next year, so I can start doing somthing simular to this.

i tell you turtle your having the nicest first grow Ive ever seen. How do you know so much for a newbie

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i tell you turtle your having the nicest first grow Ive ever seen. How do you know so much for a newbie

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LOL!!!

Thanks dude... As to what I know, it's all from the net.

I would say, 60% from Overgrow.com's FAQs
and the other 40% from these boards and threads.
No books.

I'm constantly learning. By no means, do I beleive I know a lot. I'm constantly amazed by the experience and knowledge of the other experienced growers in these boards. I hope I can get to that some day.

As to my 'nice first grow'... I was thinking that yes, although I've been bitching a lot about them not 'growing fast enough', on the other hand, they're growing supperbly.

No problems. No falling leaves. No wierd spots. I like my girls. They're being very good.

I'll post pics later today... right now, I'm running out the door.

Thanks everybody, I always love to read your input/suggestions and comments.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:

Hello friends,

I'm uploading one pic, a general view of the girls.

They're doing really good. I hope I can clone soon. Very soon.

Some leaves are showing their outermost tips, um, burned(?). They're brown color, dry, and crunchy. Just the tips. Not a lot. Are the leaves getting burned? Maybe... I didn't re-tighten the LST wires for a couple of days...

Other than that issue, everything is going fine.
I need to build my mother room, and a carbon filter. And the base for the cabinet.

Till soon,

-turtle420 :cool:

Lookin' fresh and curly there though turtle. Maybe the lamp is a liiittle too close, but don't know for sure.
Nice log, nice progress :p keep it up :thumbsup:
ow yeah, the overgrow site and this one are verrrry helpful love to absorb the info so i can treat my girls better :) spread yours!

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is it me or do other people invision an english dominatrix with a glass of brandy in one hand and a bottle of superthrive in the other when they think of mand?

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I don't know.

I envision Mand as a very nice English lady, that has lots of her home grown buds. Once in a while she goes to the back of her property, to a small shack in the British country-side. There, she grabs the SuperTHRIVE and works her magic.

If I'm ever over by England, I'll be trying to contact Mand. Have a good bowl of weed, and a calm visit to the history of that great country.

BTW: It's probably Vodka, not brandy. I think.

LOL! Thanks for the input BkSkillz!

-turtle420 :cool:

Hello people....

Plants are growing great. Secondary growth is really picking up. There are some long ones now, with a couple of sets of leaves. !!! We can clone soon!!! :D

Here are two pictures. The first one, is the setup, as its been. The second one, is the setup after I lowered the plants about 6 or 8 inches. It was just getting too hard to give light to all of them.

Although they were receiving kick-ass lumens, other parts of the plants where suffering. What do you think? Cool?

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

The lowering should help. Want to give 'rotating your plants 90* every day' a try? I dont see any harm in this action, if anything, Benifit.

Im a lil more stoned then I wish right now; lemme re-read, re-examine, your last post and image tomorrow when I wake up. lol. :o

Now that Im fresh, I dont think turning will help much. lol.

i bought a nice eighter nugg last night, and it felt good. sorry about that. lol

they look like lovely little soon-to-be mothers; also looks like they're craving a story ;) you should read to them :)

Hello Turtle :) well love you certainly have done you're homework ;)
A very impressive grow by any standards neither mind a first grow :)


Hmmm how close did you invisage me :) ................... Well I try to be nice and I do try to be a lady but sometimes I kinda fail a little bit ;)
I was born and raised in England but I am of mixed blood, my Mum was Scottish and my was Dad English so when I watched the film "Braveheart" I was "rooting" for Mel ;)

I live on the edge of town, so I've got the best of both worlds really, plenty of countyside just at the bottom of the Lane ;)
Oh I don't think I've ever put a pic of the outside of the growroom on here, tell you what as soon as my son gets back from France with my camera I'll have to do a pic :)

Also if you ever do vist over here, you must defeinitely give me a shout, that would be really lovely :)


Oh yes and you were 100% right with the vodka ;)


love mand xxx :)

well you raised them right all i have to say is looken real good i'd pick those girls up ata bar anytime would kinda suck if they ended up having ballz instead of pistils...oh these cold winter nights especially since turtle seems to have swept away mand right before my eyes this L's for u..i aint mad atcha though keep up da good grow...

bkskills what part of the city you in? oh, no shit, the bk haha.. we should chill sometime :rasta:

das wassup like everyone else in this city i live across da street from da trainstation...if you supplyen then im flyen...holla

Hello BkSkillz :) You're not the first to see a dominatrix hidden here ;)
I know I've mentioned it somewhere here before but I'll tell it again anyway :)
A while ago I knew this guy and we got on alright. Anyway he asked me out :eek: , so I said ok and we went out and had a nice time, however he asked me back to his place. Now I had a slight reservation but thought "oh well you only live once" :o .
Well within a very short while of being there he started to tell me of his "preferences" ;) . Apparentley he liked to be "restrained and humliated" and he proceeded to show me a part of his collection of things made out of leather and chains.
Well I really kinda "freaked" and told him to f*** off, I was out the door and gone
I've honestly not a thing against anyone who is into that sorta thing, but I fail too see the appeal of it ;)


I have to admit though it makes me smile to think of it now :)
Prehaps I should have tied him up and left him there, then rang the Police so they could have found him :eek: ;)


love mand xxx :)