i was suprised at how they looked this morning i was sure i would see some signs of wilting or stress of some kind but they look identical from the time i cut them....so far so good.
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i was suprised at how they looked this morning i was sure i would see some signs of wilting or stress of some kind but they look identical from the time i cut them....so far so good.
Of to a good start, half the battle. Be ready in say ten days to put them somewhere, so they don't slow down.
and his ego was stroked....thanks man....what should they transplant into...pot size? some more death on the big plant but some nice fresh green growth at the bus sites...i keep having to trim these leaves down (cutting the tip off one day and come back the next to find out the same leaf has died a little more...???...) im following chromorphe on not messing with em till mid weekend or after..and suggestions updates ideas/ HIGH-deas are all welcome at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by tlranger
Oh you don't need to listen to me on the cloning stuff. I seem to be at odds with most people on that. But different methods work in different people's hands. I don't cut my leaves in half either;). I will say that over the years I have propagated many different types of plants by cloning, and they were all very different, some you can snap off a branch and chuck it in a glass of tap water and voila! roots! Other times it's like open heart surgery. I'm very much still learning with Cannabis just like you.
yea with the clones i followed ranger and cervantes' method...but as for the other burnt to a crisp/deepfried plants...im just letting em battle it out...gunna water here tomorrow with just plain filtered water from the grocery store...or should i used distilled? can we get back on the proper water topic again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromophore
Chroms right on the distilled water thing. Water is the universal solvent. Use tap or spring, just check pH.
-- On the oil slick from your run off.. don't know exactly what it is (Weeze or Chromophore can chime in here), but it ain't good. Dude. After you let the plant sit in water, you should have run more water through it to rinse away what you just disloved. Next time, just let it dry for now. :)
P.S. I like Jorge, but don't always agree with him. ;)
Wonder if this solvent stripping action is why I so little mold or disease problems since I switched? Bout the only time I lose one is because I get lazy and wait passed the two week time.
I don't pretend to really know squat, but I think people make cloning harder than it needs to be. I have gone from all the fussing and domes to a much easier method.
Cut it, split it, add root hormone and stuff it in some cutting mix. I don't bother with a dome anymore, I just put 'em in the loving shade of the mama plant and mist them a couple times a day.
The one on the far right in the pic was a low plant cut in only 2 inches of soil that sprouted roots in a week just like it appears. The others were cut, stuffed into a cup of water for a couple day's then planted as stated. Everybody looks fine and my blood pressure is lower this way. ;)
Just my newbie .02
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OMB, the domes are really only needed when the RH is low. Which it can be even here once the heat comes on for the winter. Misting is a great thing! :)
I even clone tomatoes! Put out a 3' clone first thing in the spring & be the first one in the county to have ripe tomatoes! Bears heavier & faster than planting out a seedling. A clone is chronologically as old as the mother plant, more mature & ready to produce! :)
I wonder if anyone has ever tried laying a branch down on the dirt and clipping it there til the roots grow…..that is how I propagate hydrangeas….
I know it's easier to take cuttings but it sounds like a fun experiment….
I am all about simplifying my life right now, :stoned:...I may try that! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by crystaliscious
I just take a branch and bend it towards the dirt then use a hair pin to clip in into the dirt- it grows into a new plant then I clip it off the mother….
My granny taught me this...
Like a Banyon tree...Cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by crystaliscious
everyday i get mind blown by the new shit i read or find out from you fellow heads...its crazy...well i used distilled water...hopefully it works....now this is where i want to get back on the topic of water....people say dont use tap...people say dont use distilled....so which is the BEST all around to use....i was using tap water letting it sit out...but people told me this did nothing....now i get other advice so im torn....all of the cuttings look great... from what i can see...so fingers still crossed.
Weez has some cool air layering pictures!! Doing some numbers might be tougher.
I know people have mentioned that the chlorination of tap water will help fight negative things that can happen in your soil but I believe the PH is more likely to be in a wider range, so you must test religiously. When you use distilled water, it does not have that chlorination, so you are more likely to have to add things such as Cal-Mag. I, myself, (I believe) experienced that issue from using reverse osmosis water with a calcium deficiency that I was able to correct and hopefully there's no damage. The distilled water is more likely to have consistent PH from jug to jug.
As long as you are testing your PH, not adding too many nutrients to the water, and watching your plants for ill effects, I think you can be successful with any water.
well i checked the ladies for the first time today and did a little more pruning of the dead and dying leaves...they honestly dont look to bad after cutting the bad leaves away...i mean dont get me wrong they look like shit but not to bad lol....if that makes any sense...the bud sites do show some nice light green new growth...and catbuds...on the plant i tested the flush with...has showed significant signs of lightening up in color ( alot of people said that she was a little to dark of a green color) well after that flush i woke up to the leaves on the top buds a lot lighter... i will post pictures when i get home later this afternoon
I agree with OMB that we probably make more fuss out of cloning than we need to. The air in my region is bone dry, so I tend to be very protective of my clones because the dryness is such a stress. I also do believe that intense light is a bad idea right away. The cutting is trying to deal with a lot of new problems and does not have the metabolic flux to handle high light levels. Filtered or shaded light for at least the first few days, then if they're still upright and healthy you can start to give them more. Cervantes also believes in giving plants nutes through the end of flowering, so he obviously has ideas that don't line up with a lot of other people. But as OMB and I have discussed, the best thing to do is experiment. Put some in distilled water, some in tap, and some in pH 5.5 water with 1/50th diluted nutes (the method I use). Put some under bright light and some under filtered, etc. It's the only way to know what really works for your situation. I am now 12 for 14 for my Cannabis clones, which I suppose is pretty good, but obviously my method isn't fool-proof.
The last line is spot on!Quote:
Originally Posted by d00g
But, here's some science:
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4 cuttings.
On the right, rainwater, on the left fresh from the tap.
End pic, tapwater in front, rainwater in back.
Draw your own conclusions.
Or, better yet, run your own test.
"The distilled water is more likely to have consistent PH from jug to jug.
As long as you are testing your PH, not adding too many nutrients to the water, and watching your plants for ill effects, I think you can be successful with any water." --D00g
Thought I'd mention here that in distilled and R.O water, PH is meaningless.
PH reads Potential Hydrogen.
Without free ions, there is no PH.
So, add the ferts and amendment and then test.
You will also find the the airstone causes a transitory lowering of the PH caused by dissolved CO2
Testing and experiments.
It's what I do. :)
Aloha,
Weezard
I'm one of those people that tend to overthink, then "overdo" everything. Lol...Hence why I have 5 fans and two kinds of lights in my 2 story, air exchanging cabinet.
...and the fussing I did over Cuttings! Kinda silly in retrospect. :stoned:
Anyway, I experimented....What the hell I figured, got plenty of cuttings to play with. I no longer mess with the top's, I only use the "twigs" from below. They are hardier, they root faster, and they seem to stay shorter if you don't stretch them.
I use tapwater that sits for at least 12 hours and I have no idea what the PH is. The Happy frog and the Black hills Gold I have used, combined with my tapwater show PH on my crappy little meter at about 6.5-6.8. Temps? From about 70-85.
Molly coddled?...Not anymore. Here's some mist twice a day, a touch of Grow Big and you are on your own little cuttings.
After they grow roots I up pot 2x's during Veg, wack the heads off at 30 day's and chuck 'em into flower.
Give them fresh air, circulate it and don't over water. I keep my little Ladybug Army on patrol and kill anything that dare's to show itself in my cabinet.
Probably going to make a few of the real Horticulterists cringe, but it seems to work for me. :) My current one's will tell the tale, we shall see if I have the quality I am looking for with my methods.
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Originally Posted by OMB
Saw my first lady bug today!!! ( inside… I have seen them outside a lot)
If you have lots outside, they will over winter on south side, or under the siding, any place warm, and some find their way in.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystaliscious
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here ya go give me yalls take....chromorph...so i took the light and angled at the wall (which is white) so its not directly beaming on them....more tertiary lighting (is the the right context for the word) feeling like webster today with some big words ;)
open'd humidity dome and gave em all a little poke to see if they were all rigid stilll...yup...good to go still...
Not to belabor the sciency stuff, but a comment here about pH, because I know this is confusing to some with no chemistry background... as Weezard stated, pH is a measure of the amount of free Hydrogen, which in water is H+, it has a positive charge. Water all by itself undergoes rapid breakdown and reassembly, that is, H2O (or HOH) dissociates to H+ and OH-, then quickly re-combines to HOH again. This process is incredibly rapid and continuous. The measure of free H+ at any moment is pH. But because scientists are nerds and can never make anything easy, it is expressed as the negative logarithm of the value. So, more H+ gives a pH as a low number, and less H+ is a higher number:wtf:. The measure of free H+ in pure water is nearly insignificant, but does have a value, as I explained above. Scientists arbitrarily assign this value as 7. As H+ increases, pH value goes down (we say acidic), and as the concentration of H+ goes down, pH goes up (we say basic, or alkaline). When ions are dissolved in water, which is the case with tap or nuted water , etc., the additional charges present influence the pH as they will interact with, absorb or even generate their own H+. Plants have evolved mechanisms that allow efficient uptake of ions and chelates between pH 5.5 and 7. Out of this range things get ugly fast. That's why you pH AFTER you add all the stuff to your water, regardless of it's source.
Curiously, because pH is measured on a logarithmic scale, each pH unit represents a TEN-FOLD increase or decrease in H+ concentration. The lesson from this is that you must not take for granted the differences in pH because they represent a larger scale change than it appears.
End lecture. Commence toking.
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pH reading of my TAP WATER
and PPM reading of the same...
Looks good. pH is fine and ppms are reasonable. My tap is fairly hard and is usually around pH 6.2 and 220ppm. Now check again next time you add something like nutes or molasses or whatever. Sometimes it's surprising how it changes. Also I have noticed that my tap pH varies over time. I've seen it at 5.2 and I've seen it pushing 7. Temperature affects pH so try to take the readings when the solution is about the same temp.
Looking so much better! Good for you! Here's just a little something I've noticed about pH over the years. Sometimes a plant can be affected more by a sudden change in pH than by a greater change that occured slowly. Something to keep in mind. Should plants seem ill, & you've rulled out disease or insects, but you have NO testing equipment, a plain water flush will USUALLY remedy the issue by rinsing away disolved stuff the plants aren't liking. Having all the testing gear helps identify the problem so you can quickly slove it, & once you know the cause, you can prevent it in the future. It also helps train your eye so you can identify the problem at a glance. Every single problem a plant can have has a 'look' to it. It takes time to learn to 'read' your plants. Many years in fact. So approach this like every grow is a learning experience & remember that even the best, most experienced farmer can have crop failure. It happens. You know how stress can kill a plant? It can do the same to YOU! So don't sweat the small stuff. Plants are easily replaced! There's only one you! (Sometimes you guys get so stressed, I worry more about the grower than the plant!) ;)
Their always ready to jump, ain't they. And every new thing that comes along has it's ying and yang.Quote:
Originally Posted by catbuds
yea i had the barrel in the mouth for sure...just dont like failure...but you need some to learn from...if it was easy everyone would be doing it i suppose...ill get it...i got the determination....UPDATE: clones still real perky no wilting what so ever...hoping they keep up the good work so to speak...will post pictures later today
Hopefully the clones are over the first huddle now, and running, keep'em moist for now. And no strong light.
Fear of failure is something that seems to be instilled in us at a young age. Not sure if its 'nurture or nature', but it sure is hard to over come. & even then, do we outgrow it, or just get too old to give a shit?!? Hey, I think human nature is much harder to understand than plants are!
well i went out and did something you old heads should be proud of....i went to the store and got this thing called a BOOK...its got these pages with writing in it and pretty colored pictures....its so neat....now i just need to figure out how to read...but seriously took papapaynes advice and got the cannabis grow bible...already into and im hooked...im a sponge in a sea of cannabis knowledge...slowly soaking it up...clones are looking great and are still really perky like my high school girlfriend...will post pics later
Excellent.
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morning everyone...here are some pics of the clones as they sit this saturday morning...took the cuttings on wed or thursday, cant rememeber right now (just woke up and hit the tube:smokebong:) still perky and no drooping? if they look like this now do you think ive got 4 new plants? or is it still a waiting game to see if they take?...my big plant doesnt seem to be doing much, just find more dead leaves each morning, cut those off and spritz her lightly.....but the two little ones are perky and pointing there leaves towards the lights. will update again tomorrow
[quote=budbro28](just woke up and hit the tube:smokebong:)
With you there! How are you watering the babies? Spritzing daily, watch for mold, and try to keep off of reflective walls.
Your girls are out of the dark. Two small ones will be good, biggest one will be slowed down a bit. Keep going with the clones. As long as they're happy, you're doing it right. Time to relax! You've 'conqured the hill'! ;)
just been spritzing them...they rockwpool is still pretty wet..ive been opening the dome to allow fresh air in daily....was gunna start mixing up some water with some big bloom and start dipping the rockwool cubes in it each day....
how do you know this by just looking at them? like what exactly do you look for or see that tells you this?Quote:
Originally Posted by catbuds
Save your big bloom for a little later, let them get rooted before you try and kill them. I like to water then every six hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
...because she has been doing this longer than you have been alive? ;) There are a number of people who's input I value...just a heads up, she is one of them. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by budbro28
So, what say Mama Catbuds?