So 250w HPS isn't going to cut it? That was my assumption but thought it might be sufficient next to the LEDs.
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So 250w HPS isn't going to cut it? That was my assumption but thought it might be sufficient next to the LEDs.
would this be the same with led an a t5 combo? meaning leave the 6000k bulbs in or would switching to bloom 2700k be better? for bud i mean..Quote:
You could easily handle that kind of scrog with 8 plants using 300w LED and an added 400w HPS or MH. I'd go the MH route, personally.
In my tests with T5 lighting I always got better results with the 5600-6500K bulbs in flower. Especially with all of the red coming from the LED panels, this would be an optimal choice. In a combination light system, even lower-tier LED units will be of great use as long as the other source is quality as well.
So we're right next to the end of week 8!
I crept up on them today with my scope, and there was more than enough amber vs milky for me to harvest. Nice and fat, too!
Time for a GRIP of pics!
The roots were especially trippy to observe
Very nice! :thumbsup: :rastasmoke:
Any estimate on the dry weight from that channel?
very very nice:thumbsup::thumbsup:
what was ure little hydro you made? it looks like it worked well. maybe ill give that a shop for my next.
Looking at likely 2oz after all is said and done. I hope!Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
This is a specialized NFT channel made by my Australian partners. The rest of the system is a rigjob of rubbermaid bins and random hoses and splitters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gare0440
DRIED WEIGHT:
3g short of 2oz (the two tiny plants on the right side got smoked, that would've put me well over 2 oz in buds) plus 7.3g of straight sweet leaf.
I am quite happy with this. I'll drop to 8 plants per channel, and maybe get a system set up to have a new channel going every week. I'd like to get a QP every two weeks instead of two ounces.
I had to harvest a couple of days early, as I found spidermites all over the damned place. Despite having two brand-new Hot Shot no-pest strips plus using water+soap+alcohol spray, they managed to force me to wipe out one channel. The final remaining channel is not too far into flowering, yet, so I've dropped a dose of alcohol spray and floramite spray on it, in that order.
But I think I am going to get a larger yield from this channel versus the prior one. I'm estimating maybe 2.5 ounces.
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU
I have had to wipe out EVERYTHING that wasn't harvested. Spider mites just took over.
Ah well, this just gives me an opportunity to clean everything out, re-do everything and get ready to try rolling all six channels under about 420w of LED. I want to cut all the required clones and just flower them all off the bat, 54 in total. 6 channels, typical 2-2.5oz per channel, under 420w LED, not too bad when all is said and done, I'd say!
Bummer! :(
Mites are my biggest fear with my perpetual grow. If they get in there I have to re-set since I can't apply poison to the late in flower girls.
Bomb your room for a week, Spay NEEM on everything, put insect powder on the tops of your channels, then smear "TangleFoot" around the base of your plants (on the stem) And make sure the leaves aren't touching anything that isn't fully sanitized/sterilized/and defended against any crawlin little bitches! :mad:
IMO there is NO small or manageable Mite "problem" :rolleyes:
If there is a SINGLE Mite,.......... ITS F'nWAR!!!!
Treat it as such, and you won't have bug problems.
I'm still fighting imaginary mites (bi-weekly Neem applications in Vege, just to cover new growth)
I don't use pesticides in flower. Nor will I. Should an infestation happen,..... everybody dies!!! :rambo: :mad:
I'm sure YOU already know all of this, but I'm posting for the sake of the Neubes that will eventually read this.
Actually, there are SOME poisons you can apply during late flowering. What you have to know is the volatility of the chemical. Chemicals with 100% volatility at room temperature will completely evaporate off of whatever surface they're on, without any residue. Distilled high-proof alcohol is one example.Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
There are other controls like potassium-based soap sprays that do not persist in the environment.
The problem is, practically nobody carries them, and you have to make them yourself.
Diluted cinnamon oil is one that is safe to use during flowering. IT MUST BE REAL CINNAMON, NOT CASSIABARK. The majority of 'cinnamon' is cassiabark, even though it says cinnamon on the packaging.
So I pulled my mylar down for cleaning.
MOLD.
But only at the spot closest to where my exhaust is located, so that would somewhat make sense, warm still air behind the mylar + the reservoir being located near there probably did it. Ah well, a few bleach blasts and some good scrubbing then a final lysol dose took care of that.
But I won't be hanging up mylar on the walls this round. I'll just use the white paint since it's a gloss paint, and I'll put mylar on the sliding doors instead.
I'm going to get all six channels rolling this time. I've moved the reservoir to the center and I'm going to re drill the lid for three on each side. I'm going to add a real splitter instead of the junky one I've rigged and sealed up with silicone caulk. I'm also redoing every channel with pure silicone adhesive to completely deal with any leakage potential.
Got my system re-hosed, fitted with a new 6-outlet splitter, and only thing left to do is route the holes for the center two channels. I think I'm gonna go with 9 again and try to space them out a bit further, also make the holes just a TINY bit smaller so the neoprene discs have a snug fit.
Hello Khyberkitsune!
I am very interested in using LED technology in the near future.
I have been doing some research and am leaning toward either a Supernova system from HID Hut or a Penetrator system from Hydro Grow LED.
Because of the cost of these systems I want to get the best value for my hard earned money.
Are you familiar with these systems?
Do you have any opinion of these systems or companies?
Your plants look great and give me hope that a LED system will be a great investment!
They're a good investment if you get the right ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by wkpjr1967
Opinions of the companies are really not for me to say. That's a little unprofessional.
Hunt around. People here can tell you which ones are worth it and which ones aren't.
Alright, so I've been inactive in growing. Holidays, death, and light upgrades, mainly.
In a couple of weeks I'll have a new setup, at least for lights.
I gotta go cut a TON of clones to fill my system. Joy!
Mmmmmm, cloning...... have about 30-40 clones ready to take off of my mothers,.... I only need 2!!!!! all the rest have to go in the trash :( Which is alright, I start to loose my mind after 15 anyway ;)
Yea I need at LEAST 54 good clones to fill all 6 channels.
Tomorrow or the day after I cut. By the time the new lights arrive, I will be ready for transplant.
If you've got your license current, sell the excess clones to a dispensary that deals in clones! I think most medical states allow patient-dispensary transactions for overages as long as it is a reasonable donation that is not guaranteed to be profitable.
AKA follow the laws and destroy what you're legally unable to donate for compensation.
It's tough, man! I know! I hate having to kill perfectly good plant stock because of the law, it is very much like killing something because there is no living space for it, even though it deserves a chance as a living organism. Even though California law states "As much as medically necessary" that medically necessary amount is quite variable per doctor and per county (despite CASC saying 'No you may not impose limits further than what we have imposed.")
Colorado changed that. Now Dispensary's can only buy anything from other dispensarys! :mad: In order for me to sell any overage, be it finished product or clones a dispensary would have to list my house as an off site grow.
And the city that I live in has a ban on dispensary's so if I'm affiliated with a dispensary I'm in violation of city law and will be arrested. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Thus I'm a private caregiver with my limited # of patients, and limited # of plants per patient, and no outlet for disposing of unneeded clones or overgrow aside from destruction or black market.
Since a getting Felony isn't on my "To Do" list, I have to destroy lots of clones and try to grow slightly less than my patients need.
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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
What about becoming 501-C status, or ''non-profit'' maybe something that would open a loop hole for you. The no tax thing may not apply, but really should, i think so new that they are probably adding more restrictions, are they? Il bet its tough keeping track of all the plants, patients and what are the price limitations?
:rasta:
If he went with the 501 status, he'd be under much more scrutiny. No-Profit pretty much means that and he'd need a couple of accountants to keep things in 'order.'Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa
I've established and run two 501(c)3s both of which are still alive and kicking.While it's true that you would face a higher level of scrutiny, it is not necessarily true that you would need even one accountant. This would only be true if the $$ were significant, which is unlikely to be the case here. Any reasonably intelligent person can pull it off. That said, you do have to keep your books tidy at all times. Accounting is an area that many non-profits over look leading to mismanagement, graft, and audit headaches. You could get it done with Quicken or if you end up with a few employees, Quickbooks. It is certainly worth looking into.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Thanks for the idea. I'll probably look deeper into that this year, but for now I'm just gonna set up a DBA for taxes. Me and ####'s don't get along well,... so I need it to be simple.
As for tracking patients and plants,.... I'm limited to 5 patients, and 6 plants per patient. + the wifes home grow, so I can have a max of 36 plants. :(
Of course with my day job sucking 50+ hours a week out of my life I can't take care of more than about 24 plants anyway,.... :o
Kitsune,... sorry for the thread jack. :jointsmile:
Yeah, my apologies too. Last post on this subject.
I'd be very interested to explore the politics of whether or not you can set up a non-profit to manage patient needs. Likely others are looking in to it too. A novel approach to be sure. Unfortunately it would have federal implications as you need to register with both your state department of revenue and the IRS to achieve full 501(c)3 status, though rule vary from state to state. You may be able to set up simply as a locally recognized non-profit without going through the IRS but then you would not be a true 501(c)3. Let me know if you decide to take this further. I'd be happy to contribute some knowledge and time.
Not worried about the thread-jack, gentlemen. Good information is always welcome in my threads.
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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Hey bro, i guess my bad too as i brought the idea up, but in this crazy ass world with all these restrictions, i just thought it might help Canni or anyone else for that matter. I worked at a no- profit for 9 years and they simply used the ol checks an balances method and our budget was over $250,000. But yes, ducks need to be in a row for any audit.
But i came in to see how your grow is doing khyber? I think last you were looking into growing with a different light. Have you started working on it and i wondered the differences in the new you want versus the old lights you were using. They looked like they did a good job to me man. I guess we all want to step it up, lol. My tents here, but not up yet, i cant wait man. I have some LED's too, which leads me to the other reason i stopped in.
I have my lights just sorta standing on there ends to finish my NL#5. I was told that the are ok as long as the fans are cooling the lights and when this plant is done, they will be put into my tent. I wondered if you might just take a peak at it in the problem section and let me know if the plant is close enough. I am new to the LED lights, but i know you know your shit when it comes to LEDs. Heck to build one:jawdropper:that would be fun, hard yeah, but you know what your doing. So i wondered if you have time to take a peek and let me know if it looks close enough to the lights. Now its only a temp set up thing and when you see the space you will understand why i cant hang the lights, huge slope which the plant grew to big while nursing her back to health. Also if you have a clue on the questions i ask would be helpful. I have spurs growing out of the main stems that grow out, then die off? But this is if ya have any advise, its the distance thing, i think you can help me with. And i do turn the plant ever two days as the lights are at the door, pointing to the plant.
If ya got time man, its just that this is your thing, i thought id get my best advise from a LED guy like yourself. My tent is 2' x 4' x 5' and the lights are 150 watts each, bro please tell me its big enough for the lights. Just worried that its to much light for the space, i sure hope not. But yeah man this is some stuff i wanted to run by ya, and if ya have any advise, id sure appreciate it? Il post a LED pic there as last post, i posted all the reg pic's and forgot to post the pic of them, lol, in front of the light:wtf:i know, but its set up for just this one plant, then they go to the tent, its really ghetto, lol.
Thanks man:rasta:
I have my new lights coming in about a week, so I'll get myself going then. I'm going to do my clone cutting tomorrow, most likely.
I'm tempted to pop a 300w on just one side and try a pair of 135w on the other side of the NFT and do a comparison. It's all set and ready to go, just needs lighting and clones!
You got the Welthink lights, right? Those are perfect in a 2x4 tent - 300w in 8 square feet will be awesome. Most people use a 400w HPS in 9 square feet, and your 2x4 area is perfect for those two lights to run down the widest part of the tent.
Also, I haven't been up to much else because I've had Nichia beating a hot path to my door with all kinds of samples. I can't say much beyond that, but let's just say be prepared for something potentially incredible.
Some of these samples are special monochromatic versions of new white-diode product made just for me :D They did their research on my company rather thoroughly! This 630nm is OUTSTANDING, even on raw battery power. The 460 is quite awesome as well.
I'm going to try to convince them to get into 660nm and 420nm production. I rather like the idea of the inventors of the white diode and stabilized blue diode working on my needs! Especially with input/output efficiencies reaching and exceeding 50% (for every 1w input power 500mW is emitted as radiant flux) even in their lowest-binned stuff, that's something I cannot turn down.
Thats cool man, i have plants im waiting to get big enough to clone now. They are all Purples so i cant freaking wait after my Purple was ripped outside last year. I bought a cloner, but not sure if i got the right one. Its the aero type. Do you know if i need a special timer for it as it will continuously be spraying water with rooting hormone i n the res. Or should i just let it run till they have enough roots. I thought about getting rock wool cubes and sticking them in so id have something more then only roots to work with, just easier for me to mess with. Its only a 5 site cloner by Botanicare, its a ''Daisy''? Thought it might make things easier, but not sure now.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
My lights are just like str8s so if thats the Welthink, then thats what i have, i do know they have the 3w diodes. Im new to them so there will be some learning to do so iv been reading all the LED grows i can. But man i was really worried about the tent, so ya took a ton of worry off my back man. I was going to get the 4 x 4, but this one fits where i want to put it. I has hoping that it wouldn't be to much light for the plants. I thought about using Scrog and then lots of lolly-popping. I think i could do a nice Scrog, if i can manage to tie ever thing. I also thought of putting in a shelf about 2' high to make it easy for me to reach the plants, i will still have 3' to work a Scrog and if i lollipop, i can take it out or just keep them short. But we shall see, im just glad to be able to care for them as that other space will be done when that plant finishes, i sure hope the LED's build buds like iv seen here and a few other logs:thumbsup:Quote:
You got the Welthink lights, right? Those are perfect in a 2x4 tent - 300w in 8 square feet will be awesome. Most people use a 400w HPS in 9 square feet, and your 2x4 area is perfect for those two lights to run down the widest part of the tent.
The tent is sitting here, but im thinking im going to need help getting it together and its killing me. My Purples are getting big in the box they are in, but still in party cups. But as looking at them today, i think they will only be good in them one more week. My hydro guy is sending me bigger pots so when they get here il have to re pot the cups. They look nice after i switched the lights i had been using, because they stretched bad. But this light fixed them up nice.
Thanks for the help man:hippy:im very relieved with the advise and suggestions. And glad to know suppliers are beating down your door with the materials you approve of!
:rasta:
I just clone in trays of pH water in rockwool. Aerocloners run 24/7.
As for your plants, keep them fed and happy, you'll get monster results, of course this depends on strain typical yield, as well!
I also just re-signed an NDA with Anko Solara (induction manufacturer,) for development assistance. Maybe we'll see some better induction systems to go with LED!
I have always wondered about induction lighting and growing. Many converted parking lot lights from MH and HPS to induction with excellent results and amazing gains in efficiency.
top shelf work as usual.
Well, as to be expected, I got a returned panel, plus one of my own failed.
Well, I popped both apart, tested everything out, turns out one of my 50w just has a dead array, and the 120w had a dead driver (so only 2/3 of the panel lights up.)
Have some pictures of the individual components. Glass, panel plus thermal plate, casing, fan driver (the power driver is in the 120w, as it was still functional) fan, and connector points.
i need some advice.
backstory: i recently lost my job and don't know when i will get another one so i am pursuing growing as one way to help make ends meet.
I have been researching grow methods and lighting. I have decided to build an aeroponic/hydroponic system and use LED lighting because the heat and energy involved in HIDs is not something I want to deal with. I currently have some 1 1/2 week old seedlings in a soiless mix under a CFL that seem to be doing well so far.
Now, I have limited monetary resources that comes with being unemployed and all, so I need as little chance for big mistakes as possible (such as investing in garbage lights).
I have been looking at these lights:
120W LED Triband Hydroponic Plant Grow Light UFO II - eBay (item 290398326969 end time Jan-28-11 07:32:13 PST)
2x90W LED UFO Triband Hydroponic Plant Grow Light 7:1:1 - eBay (item 120638633937 end time Jan-22-11 23:25:46 PST)
I'm looking to have 6 to 12 plants growing in a 24 sq ft area. Am I on the right track with these lights/setup? Or am I horribly lost? Thanks for your help. :D
I'm not a fan of the 7:1:1 ratios sported by those panels but given the price I'd likely go after them as well. If you have to choose between the two, however, I would go for the dual 90w UFO, as the additional power (180w vs 120w) will help make up for the lacking blue and you would get superior coverage from two sources of light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xperimints
So close to my new lights coming in and my new setup going!
Thank you for replying! From what I can see you really know your stuff when it comes to LEDs. Some others on the forum have suggested that only commercial LED setups are worth buying because they can be trusted as they have been tested. I think that route would be out of my price range and if that is true then I was thinking of pursuing a fluorescent/CFL set-up. My concern is heat and energy usage as I don't want to risk fire or being flagged by my electricity company to the authorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Do you think those two UFOs would be enough to cover the area I need to?
I was also looking at this one : 120w LED Aquarium Coral Plant Grow Light Tri Band - eBay (item 330518256458 end time Feb-10-11 05:24:49 PST)
I would buy two of them if I decided to go with the 120w unless one would be enough.
"Some others on the forum have suggested that only commercial LED setups are worth buying because they can be trusted as they have been tested."
Some of the same research from my commercial stuff goes in my commercial panels, but for your price limit you're better off going with that dual 90w deal no matter what - that's speaking before I look at your most recent link - lemme look here.....
90 degrees is good, tighter beams than what I offer though that means you need to keep the panel higher from the canopy so the light blends evenly and covers everything properly.
Oh, Bridgelux diodes. personally, that is a 'No thank you.' I wouldn't go with them, as I've had problems like diode separation in even the top-bin stuff from them, so I gave them up a long time ago - Kingbright is better and has higher efficiencies besides. As I said, that dual 90w you posted earlier is still your best bet. Also, aquarium spec is far different from terrestrial plant spec, so I couldn't recommend that for you anyways, even though there is more blue, the overall array is out of prime spec for land plants.
BTW, even though my site says it (and my investors won't get rid of it, or at least correct it to be on the proper pages,) 'Thermostatically-controlled fans' is mostly BS. Very few bare fan power/controllers are truly thermostatically controlled and have the remote sensing wire installed. Only my new 300w unit and old discontinued 120w unit (only talking about my panels, here,) have them because it was necessary to maintain diode life and proper operating temps, otherwise I'd be in a load of garbage on warranties from my own personal tests (I dunno if this new 300w I have coming is using my new aluminum/carbon mix but if it is then no thermostatically-controlled fans are needed, and I'll kill that phrase from my site entirely. I hate any sort of misleading advertising or confusing advertising.)
Anyways, ignore that rant, though you should pull some info from it and previous posts. Get that dual 90w you're looking at, it's just right for you. You'll learn about LEDs at a cheap price and have very usable panels for years to come on top of that. If you need more help, I can help, so can tons of others around here, don't rely on me for all of your information! I have my ways, others have ways maybe more suited for you, though I can at least give advice if I know your situation.
Hey man, if ya have time take a peek at that sick plant in the problem section. She's giving lots now:thumbsup:. Buds are getting to be a bit bigger then a dime and the growth is looking very green and healthy. I am just hoping the buds join as one and give me big colas. I am hoping i will have to tie her to the walls and ceiling, lol. I have my lights about 18'' away from my plant, do you think i should try and move them closer? I want a monster so anything i can do to help her out il try.
My tent is up, but gotta finish this plant before all my purples go into it, but might toss them in with my CFL's as i like what they do for veg and will use them till i find something better. What im thinking is a couple led panel's for a nice box to veg in as i think i should be able to get these cheap wouldn't you think? I cant wait to get into the tent man!
Man dude those LEDs look bright as hell man, good luck with the new light your working on:thumbsup:
:rasta:
Keep the lights as close as possible to cover everything without burning. Twelve inches might do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa
For vegging, just get one good LED panel that will cover the tent area. In veg you don't need that much LED light as long as it's quality. 3x3 tent could be covered veg-wise with a single typical 90w UFO. Two of the 135w UFOs would just barely cover a 4x8 tent for veg.