Dayglo druid's robe for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
At night only.
Too hot by day.
Jus' wear tiny emerald scales an' a grin.:rastasmoke:
Aloha,
Wee itty 'zard
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Dayglo druid's robe for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
At night only.
Too hot by day.
Jus' wear tiny emerald scales an' a grin.:rastasmoke:
Aloha,
Wee itty 'zard
Oh heck, I had read that but I forgot! Sorry Weezard, sorry Hermie - been very busy & it appears it's made me a little scatter-brained. Those Transition lenses would be good to find the edges of the emanations - and to think I laughed at those commercials. :D Thanks for the assist, Wee. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
My wife Amber has been going through bi-weekly chemo for T-Cell Lymphoma, for the lastt 7 years, so is a tad touchy with my playing in a potentially cancer-causing growroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
She asked me not to play with the UV, and respecting her (our) issues, the least I could do was to acceded.
Two weeks ago, Amber had 8 cancerous spots removed from her skin, so am ultimatelly comfortable with the decision. Her cancer isn't from artificial UV light, as she dosen't grow and never used a tanning salon. But is a fantastic reminder of the adverse effects of UV llight on human skin. (the suspected cause)
Use proper care, skin cancer is a bitch.
Oh my god, I'm so sorry you and your wife are going through such a terrible ordeal. I completely understand not wanting extra uv in the house! How's she taking the chemo? Are the anti-emetics doing their job? I'm guessing after 7 years, you've all got everything pretty dialed in - I wish I had something useful to say, but I don't know anything about cancer treatment. It sounds like you guys are right on top of things, just right where you should be, bless her heart. I like how you wrote her (our) issues - that's the way it is when you got a real partner. It's good you have each other to lean on. I wish you strength & moments of peace & serenity to catch your breath for both of you and days of feeling good in her body for your lady Amber during this time until it's the day when it's ultimately beaten back down into remission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
We both appreciate the kind words. But it is what it is. Physical and emotional up's and down's are the norm, but you learn a lot about yourself when caring for another. Nothing we can't overcome though. :thumbsup:
Anyway...thank you. :jointsmile:
Sorry I've been away from the boards for a bunch of days, Monday morning Tonto cracked a few ribs and broke his wrist while driving (actually crashing) the ATV. Wound up in the hospital for a few days so I had to be there alot. (He can't be trusted with nurses)lol
For Dogz and everyone,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
We are not trying to do "laboratory" grade experiments here. If the main source of light is an HPS and it has a little UVb output so be it. An experiment will still show what the additional supplemental UVb adds or does not add. I may move some experiments into my partnered grow, using the TI LEDs, which has some UVb in the mix, just to see what happens with additional UVb supplement.
Plus yesterday my partner surprised me with the purchase of a eyeclops BioniCam. Spent about 3 hours playing with it last night we couldn't put it down. A toy for kids.....nay a toy for BIG kids!
Hey Horsemanrocks, you'll get my vote for the Klinger position, but you need to borrow DH's green wig!:D
Yes mac I understand.... :thumbsup:
Aloha Mac.
I'll show you mine, if you'll show me yours.;
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Now you can get a snap or 3.
Den hit 'em with the UVb.
Den we take a nudder look
See how long dey take to cook.
My pre-liminary results suggest that one can change the character of the high with measured applications of UV after the buds are fully frosted and the globs are mostly cloudy
It seems, with leds, that what Amber we do eventually get is caused by age rather than irradiation.
Don't want that.
The Eyeclops lets me monitor buds grown under LEDs for maximum resin.
Then, I can ripen to any shade of amber I want.
Now, I'm getting too hammered on one hit to be a good judge on potency, but I can tell the difference in the "character " of the high.
I believe, I'll be able to "tailor" the effects/side effects of my meds this way.
I'll try to keep you posted.:stoned::stoned:
Happy trails
Weeze
Hey Horsemanrocks, you'll get my vote for the Klinger position, but you need to borrow DH's green wig!
Thanks mac?.you??re a good man and I appreciate your support. But in retrospect I??ve come to realize that Dr. Hermie is indeed the better man. I found this yesterday on another thread posted by DH
Siemens are the reciprocals of ohms. They are also what make my pants crunchy.
It has become painfully obvious that I??m way over my head here. Not only is DH a more qualified Klinger. On top of that is that I really have no business trying to hang with ??the tinfoil hat society?.
I spend my days now with a Long Island iced tea in my right hand, and a Glock 9mm (held to my temple) in the left. My shrink told me to ??go ahead and do it?. And the dry cleaners told me that they had lost my blue feathered boa.
If I continue to be too chickenshit to ??let the hammer down? I??ll check in from time to time. It??s so hard to read with eyes full of tears.
See ya in Heaven
hmr
OK if you insist. Now when you look at this first picture, I want you to sing in your best Don Ho voice, "tiny bubbles...."Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
(I'll post more when I get a chance, later)
Ive just found this great thread :stoned:
Props to Oldmac and all the people that has contributed :hippy:
We have been noticing too that the lack of UVB and far red causes trics taking longer to become cloudy, although this is strain dependent (large differences for some strains, almost unnoticiable for others), and way longer to become amber (this effect is more general). Some times, trics wont become amber anyway, no matter how longer you keep the plant in flowering.
Ive been thinking a lot about this issue. I think that for recreative users, trics dont becoming amber is a great new. I believe only medical users requiring enough CBN (degradation of THC into CBN is what turns trics amber) for narcotic effect may be concerned about this. For them, adding either UVB or far red is a must to get that effect.
I believe its not a problem because it means degradatioon of THC is way slower wo UVB and/or far red. And at the end, most MJ growers are interested in THC production the most. The "problem" is just we are used to calculate harvest time by seeing the rate of trics ambering, and it seems we need new references when using light sources wo UBV or far red.
But trics taking longer to become cloudy is a problem, as it points out that THC synthesis is being slower. But we have found that this is way more strain dependent that the no ambering issue.
I want to carry some experiments about this in the near future so I chime in when I start it. Oldmac, if you think worth to talk about what to test each grower, im fully open to somewhat syncronize experiments with all the people involved.
Im trying to get some way to analyze cannabinoid's profiles in order to get more complete conclusions. I think now that we know that THC synthesis and degradation is affected by light spectrum, and which wavebands do it the most, to determine it with more accuracy: comparing the final THC content of clones growing with and wo UVB and the degradation rate of THC to CBN under same conditions.
Hi there, knna. I've read a lot of your posts on greenpinelane & GC, I believe. You're very knowledgeable about LEDs - most of it went over my head, but I picked up some good stuff from you which helped me when I was researching LEDs to purchase so thank you.
By the way everyone my eyeclops came! There will be pics of trichs! This piece of equipment is a lot of fun. It's too early to start looking for trichomes, but I'm having fun looking at spiky cystolith hairs (that I think are the cause of my itchy arms & hands) and what looks like bubbles on the surface of the leaves. I even bought the bug vacuum for extra curricular activities with the eyeclops.
wow, that's a lot of food for thought, knna. I've always heard that plants grown without or with less UVB have less total trichomes, where plants that receive supplemental UVB have more "sugar" on them and are generally considered more potent. I wasn't as aware of a relationship between delayed THC/Cannabinoid ripening/degradation and lack of UVB, which could be an explanation of the lack of potency in buds grown without UVB. I've also heard people argue that despite UVB enhancement & plants having more trichomes, that does not necessarily make them more potent. It would be interesting to look into the details of the circumstances of the grows of the people who reported these various phenomena. Has anyone else noticed increased ripening/degradation of the active agents when in the presence of UVB? It would add another prong to the testing possibly - first, the relationship between UVB & potency, the relationship between UVB & the total amount of trichomes & third, UVB & it's effect on the rate of ripening/degradation of trichomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by knna
Glad you stumbled on the thread knna! It's always good to have your input. This thread abt UVb use is really just an extension of light theory, and wavelenghts that effect a plant's life. Sorta goes hand in hand with LEDs the way I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by knna
Would like to have you join in an experiment, the more input the better. The one experiment I really would like to see is the one Rusty started but could not finish; using UVb right from the beginning with rooted clones. It might be possible to see improvement in tric production. I have already seen the difference UVb can make in just the final 2 weeks of flowering as far as getting to cloudy then amber. Without UVb my run got cloudy slowly and never, even with an extra week+ never turned amber. The light I am using in my personal grow is based on Red Cree's and 2700k T5's, so far red is lacking.
I would love to be able to quantify THC and CBN levels, short of having a lab run samples I'm not sure how we can do it. Hell, I haven't been able to quantify how much UVb I'm using and that should be relatively easy. I'm currently looking for an inexpesive UV meter so I can put some sort of reference to it.
I look forward to anything you can add to this subject. :D
Hi Apolonia,Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
I held the belief that using UVb would increase trichome production and increase potency. My first experiment without UVb showed no difference in tric production. That plus trying to get trichomes' on the leaves of a cancer strain I grow called "apricot" sorta proved to me that trichome production is a result of genetics as opposed to UVb use. I still believe it will increase potency as witnessed by getting to amber trics with it and not being able to without it. Tho the difference between all cloudy and 25% amber was slight as far as potency, there was some difference.
The biggest surprise I got was how thin the leaves where without UVb during flowering. With UVb use during the entire flower period, the leaves were alot fatter. I acutally lost some finished and manicured weight without UVb, and it did not come back with just 2 weeks use at finish. But keep in mind I only ran one strain, (plus tried everything on another) so my results may be of limited value. Hence, trying to recruit others to experiment.:D
BTW: I think the UVb you are using, and the time and distance is very good.
In my personal grow, I use it for 4 hrs in middle of photoperiod and the distance varies slightly.
Degradation is affected by light spectrum... This is correct.. Far Red works best for this effect..Quote:
Originally Posted by knna
THC synthesis.... Is more about time factors...
:thumbsup:
Aloha Dogz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
Please explain that statement in more detail.:confused:
So, us simple folk can grasp it.:stoned:
Weezard
What's up Weez....
The statement I made below was just answering to kana post...Quote:
Originally Posted by knna
Degradation is affected by light spectrum... This is correct.. Far Red works best for this effect..
Is this what you are talking about..:thumbsup:
It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
What's far-red got to do with THC degradation?
That would be completely new information.
At least, to me, and a handfull of udders.
Mebbe 'splain it to me, an' I'll tel da brudders.:cool:
Here it is, post Hallowe'en.
Salmayo's nowhere to be seen.
No astounding revealations from da Mars guy?
Da martians lef' da building?
Why not? Dey can fly.
And walk on water, or so I've read.
Maybe just can't find dere thread.;):stoned::stoned::stoned:
Drat!
Now we gotta keep muckin' about the old-fashioned way.
Provide for their needs, harvest when ready:hippy::rastasmoke:.:D
Howzit be, Nephew?
I just havin' fun wit you.
I know dat "you no make da rule"
You jus' applies 'em. Dat be :cool:.
:D
Weeze
Weez your funny.. I can't understand half of what you wrote... I guess that's the joke...
Sal's had a broken wrist and from what I understand he's not been able to type so much..
The funny thing is I just got done reading the 1st edition of the Martian Method Manuel... I think it's being sent to HT and some other people before it's released to the public.. Sal will be around soon.. I don't know if he will be in this tread or not..
My statement is based on my uncle and I using clear inc's during our Day Time as a far red source and more specifically (clear halogen inc's) for our trich production and ripping needs (turning trich's from cloudy to amber).. But none of this is realy talking about the Martian method thou.. Just far red or uvb supplemental lighting..:thumbsup:
Hey lads!
I found a study on how THC is produced in the plant at the garden's cure. Here's the part that relates directly to UVB:
And here's the conclusion of said study:Quote:
Another stress to which plants are subject results from their daily exposure to sunlight. While necessary to sustain photosynthesis, natural light contains biologically destructive ultraviolet radiation. This selective pressure has apparently affected the evolution of certain defenses, among them, a chemical screening functionally analogous to the pigmentation of human skin. A preliminary investigation (Pate 1983) indicated that, in areas of high ultraviolet radiation exposure, the UV-B (280-315 nm) absorption properties of THC may have conferred an evolutionary advantage to Cannabis capable of greater production of this compound from biogenetic precursor CBD. The extent to which this production is also influenced by environmental UV-B induced stress has been experimentally determined by Lydon et al. (1987). Their experiments demonstrate that under conditions of high UV-B exposure, drug-type Cannabis produces significantly greater quantities of THC. They have also demonstrated the chemical lability of CBD upon exposure to UV-B (Lydon and Teramura 1987), in contrast to the stability of THC and CBC. However, studies by Brenneisen (1984) have shown only a minor difference in UV-B absorption between THC and CBD, and the absorptive properties of CBC proved considerably greater than either. Perhaps the relationship between the cannabinoids and UV-B is not so direct as first supposed. Two other explanations must now be considered. Even if CBD absorbs on par with THC, in areas of high ambient UV-B, the former compound may be more rapidly degraded. This could lower the availability of CBD present or render it the less energetically efficient compound to produce by the plant. Alternatively, the greater UV-B absorbency of CBC compared to THC and the relative stability of CBC compared to CBD might nominate this compound as the protective screening substance. The presence of large amounts of THC would then have to be explained as merely an accumulated storage compound at the end of the enzyme-mediated cannabinoid pathway. However, further work is required to resolve the fact that Lydon's (1985) experiments did not show a commensurate increase in CBC production with increased UV-B exposure.
Further down the thread, a post or two away from the one that quotes the study there is another post by the same poster with data from a different study, I've included the poster's conclusion/summary as well:Quote:
Although the chemistry of Cannabis has come under extensive investigation, more work is needed to probe the relationship of its resin to biotic and abiotic factors in the environment. Glandular trichomes are production sites for the bulk of secondary compounds present. It is probable that the cannabinoids and associated terpenes serve as defensive agents in a variety of antidessication, antimicrobial, antifeedant and UV-B pigmentation roles. UV-B selection pressures seem responsible for the distribution of THC-rich Cannabis varieties in areas of high ambient radiation, and may have influenced the evolution of an alternate biogenetic pathway from CBG to THC in some of these strains. Though environmental stresses appear to be a direct stimulus for enhanced chemical production by individual plants, it must be cautioned that such stresses may also skew data by hastening development of the highly glandular flowering structures. Future studies will require careful and representative sampling to assure meaningful results.
Both posts come courtesy of a poster on the Garden's Cure named 'cidium' so thank you, cidium wherever you are for typing out that data. Maybe this will be useful to us.Quote:
One more slice of worthless data from the dusty library.
?? Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack *Carlton Thrner 1979: personal communication. of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights. Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant. These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids. The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant. CBN is also suspected of synergistic modification of the psychoactivity of the primary cannabinoids, THCs. The cannabinoid balance between CBC, CBD, THC, and CBN is determined by genetics and maturation. THC production is an ongoing process as long as the glandular trichome remains active. Variations in the level of THC in the same trichome as it matures are the result of THC acid being broken down to CBN acid while CBD acid is being converted to THC acid. If the rate of THC biosynthesis exceeds the rate of THC breakdown, the THC level in the trichome rises; if the breakdown rate is faster than the rate of biosynthesis, the THC level drops. Clear or slightly amber transparent resin is a sign that the glandular trichome is still active. As soon as resin secretion begins to slow, the resins will usually polymerize and harden. During the late floral stages the resin tends to darken to a transparent amber color. If it begins to deteriorate, it first turns translucent and then opaque brown or white. Near-freezing temperatures during maturation will often result in opaque white resins. During active secretion, THC acids are constantly being formed from CBD acid and breaking down into CBN acid. ??
If I was going to break all this down into a few sentences it would read like this:
The resin gland produces cannabinoids that are converted into THC. During the active cycle of cannabinoid production the glands will appear clear or cloudy. As the plant matures and the production cycle slows the glands will change color to amber. This is caused from environmental influences, tempeture and light. The major influence on the amber color would be the lack of conversion from cannabinoids CBD and CBN into THC. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, my theroy is as the plant matures it slows in cannabinoid production and the UVB radition has less cannabinoids to convert and starts to degrade the resin - hense the color change.
Sorry to hear about the malady there, broken wrists can be a real nuissance :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
Dogsnova, would you say far red is as effective as UVB when it come to trichome production AND ripening? If so, I wonder if my Super HPS SolarMax behind tempered glass has enough Far Red to cloud the trichs & produce sufficient trichomes and UVB supplemental lighting only useful for accelerated ambering. As I understand it now after taking in all this information is THC (cloudy) is formed more by maturation via time, the plant's own biological clock so to speak than radiation, but cannabinol production (the amber couchlock) is highly influenced by factors that stress the plant as it is the degradation of THC which produces these compounds - such as far red and UVB lighting. Would you care to expound a little on your thoughts? I'd love to hear more about your observations when you have the time.
As far as I can see, LEDs seem to produce copious amounts of trichomes which I believe may be due to the "gentleness" of LED lighting as compared to hotter, more stressful forms of light which degrade the trichomes faster. I tentatively put forth that LEDs may not actually produce more trichomes, but preserve more glandular heads in tact leading more trichome heads, leading to more potency, etc. This is just supposition on my part, I defer to more experienced heads.
Apollonia... Salmayo turned me on to far red, more specifically supplemental (clear inc's) for the use of far red in a typical 12/12 flower.
I think I have seen you talk to him on the TY forum. So I'm sure you understand the smarts coming from that direction.
Clear Inc's as a far red source....Yes...... I can't afford 730nm LED to try them out. Sorry not much testing on that front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
It's been our experience over here that LED's also increased trich production, But so did going from metro mix (dirt) to a hydro setup. There is alot of ways to increase trich production IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollonia
LED,Far Red and Hydro has been some of our most noticeable trich production tools. If your familiar with salmayo's Martian Method... It uses the first two and explodes the trich production. But that's a whole different tread..LOL
...
Great post Apollonia...:thumbsup:
"As far as I can see, LEDs seem to produce copious amounts of trichomes which I believe may be due to the "gentleness" of LED lighting as compared to hotter, more stressful forms of light which degrade the trichomes faster. I tentatively put forth that LEDs may not actually produce more trichomes, but preserve more glandular heads in tact leading more trichome heads, leading to more potency, etc. "
Wow!
Superb posts!:cool:
I'm impressed and humbled.
Mahalo nui!
Weeze
Ok here is the 1st edition of the PAD manual. You can find it at the Temporal Photonics page at MySpace . Just click on the pic link.. Here is the link Enjoy:thumbsup:
MySpace - Temporal Photonics - 17 - Male - CHICO, California - myspace.com/temporalphotonics
Hey Dogznova,
Thank you so much for posting the link to the PAD manual.:thumbsup: I read thru it qiuckly this AM and it certianly has me thinking! I think I need to read it a few more times, to understand it.
For everyone interested in the UVb stuff, I just came across a paper from a couple of years age by Joe Knuc (alias) entitled "An elaboration on the phytochemical process that makes THC" very interesting reading. :) -oldmac
This is great Oldmac.. But I think the PAD Manuel totally disputes that article.
Here is one example....
(c)The photoperiodic response is controlled by phytochrome.
I think this is incorrect!!! If you have been following along with sal and all his post (like I have). He has pointed out that his research has proved that the photoperiodic response in the MJ plant is mostly controlled by the Blue light duration. Not phytochrome!
Here is another example of the PAD manuel totally disputing that article..... The PAD Manuel uses KNOW uvb light at all and can double the THC content at a minimum by using 24 hours of light...
My next post........ I will tell you what the manuel doesn't say about our favorite plant.:thumbsup:
THE OPTIMUM TIME FACTORS FOR THC SYNTHESIS IN CANNBIS IS BETWEEM 1.3 AND 2.0, WITH PEAK THC SYNTHESIS OCCURING AT APPROXIMATELY AT A TIME FACTOR OF 1.6 TO 1.7, AND THIS HOLDS TRUE FOR BOTH LIGHT AND DARK CANNABIS ACTIVITY IN ALL THREE RACES OF CANNABIS (SATIVA, INDICA AND RUDERALIS).
These are the results of Temporal Photonics private research, which is the most advanced and extensive research ever done on THC production.
Let's explain exactly HOW SIGNIFICANT this is. Standard Indoor Darkness (SID) has a Time Factor of 1.0 and little THC synthesis occurs under such circomstances. Standard Artificial Light (SAL) such as HPS and typical Metal Halides have a Time Factor of approximately 4.0 and little THC synthesis occurs under such circomstances. What this means is that standard 12/12 type indoor growing environments only seem to bring out about 15% of the Photodependant production of THC from Cannabis.
Specifically what this means is that this patent pending process has demostrated the ability to double (or more) the potency of THC in Cannabis and this process is the only one that allows this to be done during the otherwise wasted "Period of Uninterrupted Darkness" needed to flower Cannabis.
i haven't had a chance to read either of those reports yet, but i'm trying to keep up and follow along!
-shake
I was just having a discussion (read argument) with my partner about PAD and what we might do with it. One of the problems we have is the lack of info that has been forthcomming. It would be nice to see some numbers for the technique and results of it's use. Even without it, we are extremely interested in it, and have made the decision to build a new LED light that has the reds and blues on separate circuts to utilize the advanced PAD technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
As to photochrome, these protiens play off 660nm light vs. 730nm light and are responceable for the under canopy stretch etc. From what I read in the PAD manual that is exactly one of the plant's functions that are being exploited by PAD. More possibly photoperiod is more a function of blue light, but that 730 is some sort of plant trigger.
While I believe that trichome rippening can be accomplished without UVb (Dreaded Hermie hit amber trics with just red and blue!) we have had a few experiments here that clearly shows it's effect on trichome maturing. I still have a 2gm/plant finished weight differential if I don't use UVb thru out flowering so it's effect may be more then just turning trichomes amber.
I'm looking forward to more info and finished numbers to see how fast or deep we jump into PAD.;)
.....and the plot thickens......
hope you had a great holiday old mac...and the rest of you of course!
-shake
*UCKING LIGHT BULBS....*AMN finally a new use for something old,Thanks and a high five for the links and info.so how useful do you think these would be for the last 3-5 weeks of flowering?I flower under 3-400w HPS until the last 3-5 weeks and then they enter the 400w MH section of my flowering room. 15 years ago i started paying attention to the trics and saw that most were still clear at harvest time under 100% HPS . adding the MH has allowed me to achieve the 50/50 clear/cloudy ratio i like but i would like to shorten the final ripening time.also I notice the bulb you link to is a "enhanced spectrum" bulb doesn't this mean it has added blue?i can,t seem to find a source for wavelength charts for this or any halogen bulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
BTW,perpetual harvest 2week rotation all 4 lights above the same table with MH bleeding into HPS sections and vise versa.
Hey seventhchild,
Hopefully Dogz can answer that question about the bulb, I have not used it enough yet, in a controlled enviorment to confirm it's effects on trichome production/maturity, yet.
I can tell you that bulb puts out a large amount of far red (730nm) light.:thumbsup:
Yes these bulbs will work good for the last 3-5 weeks of flowering. When I was told to use clear inc's for a far red 730nm spectrum.. I wasn't told how to correctly use them so to speak. I thought I was supposed to run them at the same time as the HID lights were on. But when I tried to run 300w of inc's at the same time the 400w HID was on, the room was way too hot with 700 watts running as you could imagine. It turns out of course I was doing it wrong...LOL I have since been able to read some stuff. This might sound crazy but I now run the 300 watts of clear inc's for the first 6 hours of my flowering time then I run the 400 watt HPS HID for the last 6 hours for a total of 12on 12off. This is what's now called Rauber's Substitution Method. This works very well for me. I have also started mixing in some 27K cfl's and pulled some of the clear inc's with the first 6 hours of light. This is because the strain I'm currently working with, it seems the 27k cfl's increase the calyx to leaf ratio and the clear halogen inc's promote good trich production and internal plant clock speed. Here is another trick to do with clear inc's the same bird told me. Use clear inc's only the last 3 to 5 days of flowering to speed up ripening. This makes the diamonds sparkle even more on the flowers and brings out the flavor. There is a drawback to doing this. Plants that are ripened like this will not re-veg. If you are going to try clear inc's only for the last 3-5 days of flowering for a quick ripening make sure you plane on pulling them and not re-vegging them..Quote:
Originally Posted by seventhchild
I use the bulbs I showed you in the link. Halogen bulbs have a little more 730nm well, they have a lot more 730nm IMO but standard clear inc's can also be used. As far as the "enhanced spectrum" goes. It was the only halogen I could find that screwed into a standard light socket so I grabbed it. Turns out IMO they work very good. I can find a halogen spectrum chart I think but it's not for this enhanced spectrum. It's on this board in Mother 2nd Martian tread. hope this helps.. Hope everyone had a good holiday.
yet another reason to start outdoors i have always thought plants grown outdoors then switched to indoors are more potent to an extent this is obviously the science behind itQuote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
this site is by far the most informative website i have ever invested my time in
our members have infinate
knowledge of the herb
is this just to control heat/energy usage or is it needed for for the plants to respond properly to these wavelengths? to put it differently...is my HPS/MH wasted while the INC's are on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogznova
Quess who light bleached the fuck out of his two plants...3 weeks into 12/12?...:rolleyes:
any remedies?..besides moving further from the light?...I took the CMH out and switched to HPS? ...two other grows...the CMH never did that before?
I would post a pic...but,... I am ashamed....:stoned:..I screwed the pooch on this one...:D
Too Much UVb?
Hey DP,
Sorry to hear that, bleaching the ho's make them look so cheap.;)
Not sure if it is excess UVb or more from the concentration of red being too close. I think Weezard managed to light bleach some girls under LED, very specific light wavelength's, just red and blue and he uses no UVb. So you can do that without UVb.
Not sure there is much you can do, just hope for some new leaf growth and an improvement in appearence. And don't put that CMH so close next time, I think that's easy to do since I believe they run cooler then HPS.:thumbsup: