Calling out to Weezard for LED advice

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

What are the dimmers doing in the circuit now? Is there a voltage drop across them at wide open? I can't believe 6 ft. of 16ga would drop the voltage that much. I will pretty much have to take yer word for it, though, since I dropped my freakin' Fluke! :mad:

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They drop from 11.3V to 10.8. 'bout a half a volt when full-on.
The wire drops .7V from 12 to 11.3.
Might have to use the dimmers to tone it down.
It's still throwing off a lot of heat. Room is hittin' 95. F.
Gonna turn it down to 1 amp at about 10.5 or 10.6 V.
That's still 100Watts of 660 and 30 watts of 460nm.
At least until the new fans arrive.
Was actually building it to raise 2 new super bean seedlings.
But the last three beans I popped threw balls on the flop.
Need any pollen?

Must be a newer Fluke, yah?.
Dropping don't bother the old ones.
Got two that I've used since the '70s
Rode 'em hard, put 'em away wet.

That's back when John D. Fluke made them for the love of it.
Interesting story.
Mr. Fluke was not getting rich producing fine, almost unbreakable meters.
He got talked into hiring a pair of "business consultants"
to find out what was "wrong" with his company
In short, they concluded that he, John D., was the problem:wtf:.

Made the product too damn good and too damn durable.
Kicked him out, took over the business, made a profit.
Also made meters, sort of.:(
It's just never been the same.

See if ya can't find a used, old one on ebay.

Oh, and it's your move.

Aloha,
Weeze

Took some in-service snaps;
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Not wild about my cooling solution, it spews the heat into the room. I had wanted to use dryer type flex hose to remove the heat.
Hmmmm.
Perhaps now that the fan is closer to the sink, I can try flipping the fan over, (It's got built-in polarity protection),
and cutting some notches in the 4 outer fins to let them join the party, I can go back to my "suck the heat out" scheme.

Got 2 more fan options coming in the mail.
So, guess it's time to wait again.

I no like to wait.
Wee Zard

Weezard, you've not mentioned exchanging air in the grow space, and what all you've got generating heat in there.

If you've still got your transformers/drivers in there it's one thing, but my 6+2 light seems very cool running. Granted, it will heat up a sealed closet in an hour or less, but so can a fan motor. I'm just spewing the heat into the grow area, where it is quickly exhausted thru a scrubber. The downside is that heat gets dumped into my living environment; no way around that. But it's very manageable.

I mounted my fans flush against the fins, copying the Procyon. Ryan has his fan pulling air thru the fins and up away from the unit. I copied that, too. Works really well.

I would think a good 92mm fan, mounted to the fins and firing through a 6" dryer duct to the outside would cool that thang. But, much I don't know about the setup.

(New topic) :stoned:

I know it's early on, but have you made any observations/conclusions about the 10:2 ratio? (I'm thinking at this moment, "Hmm....maybe I won't add those 4 reds to my light if it's causing Weezard heat problems...) I won't have a chance to work on a light for a few weeks, but the window on acquiring parts may be closing soon. ;)

How was the 4:1 ratio in your cakepanlamp? When I read "My next lamp will have 2 blues" I took that to mean you were looking for a bluer ratio than 4:1. But I'm thinking an 8:2 light might suit me for flower. Have you determined if 10:2 is overkill with the reds? (As the French say; "One never knows what is 'enough' until one knows what is 'too much.'") (Naturally, they they say that in French...):D

Gotta go. I'm following along, though. Busy, busy. Could be worse. :thumbsup:

I wanted to ask, because I know you were a dirt guy at one time. Ya know how perlite dances around in a bag that's got a 'static' charge on it?

Is there a way to create a "perlite magnet" using a coil around a glass rod or a piece of amber or suppin' like that? Disposing of dirt is easy. Disposing of dirt with perlite...can raise eyebrows. Besides, it would be fiscally and environmentally sound to recycle the dang stuff, anyway. What do you think?

Good to chat, Hermie.

I would think a good 92mm fan, mounted to the fins and firing through a 6" dryer duct to the outside would cool that thang. But, much I don't know about the setup. "

And that was my plan, with a 150mm. fan.
But from 2 1/2 inches above the fins, even with reflectix routing, it was inadequate.
Had to flip it over to run the burn-in safely.

Now that "Reddy Kilowatt" is through larking about, I'm ready to try to do it right and port the heat outside.
I can afford to allow some escape of fragrance 'cause my neighbor is growing 30 plants outdoors.

"I won't have a chance to work on a light for a few weeks, but the window on acquiring parts may be closing soon. ;)"

Not for the blues. And a mix of 660nm. and 625 nm. just might be a good thing.

"How was the 4:1 ratio in your cakepanlamp?"

There was a little stretching of the top buds.
Happened after the pre-flower stretch of the stem.
Started to look like this;
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Then in the last 2 weeks, did this;
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"When I read "My next lamp will have 2 blues" I took that to mean you were looking for a bluer ratio than 4:1. But I'm thinking an 8:2 light might suit me for flower. Have you determined if 10:2 is overkill with the reds? (As the French say; "One never knows what is 'enough' until one knows what is 'too much.'") (Naturally, they say that in French...):D"

Mais Weeze mon frere.

That's the plan.
However, 8:2, 10:2, etc.
Are just numbers without a ton of details.
Blue leds are less efficient than reds, different bins = different characteristics within a color, etc.

To get a true ratio, we have to use KNNA numbers.:D

Since I'm unsure what is best, right from the git, I'm unwilling to make that kine effort.
If I ever descend into "micromole land," I may not return.
Math is seductive, it can own you.
At the least, very little practical magic would get done.:i feel stupid:

I changed the plan from a dimmer on the blue, to two dimmers for the reds.
Then did an overkill on the number of reds.
I know that 30W of blue will do a great veg .with little or no stretch. So I can add red with the dimmers to try to find the ideal ratio for vegging.
Then I can add more red to the ratio for blooming to look for the best ratio there.
I only ran the reds flat-out for the smoke test/burn-in.
But, if it turns out to need full-on red, it's still got to run cool.
That's why I'm STILL waiting for fans to arrive before I chop any more holes in floor and ceilings.:(

Havin' fun though,
Weeze

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

I wanted to ask, because I know you were a dirt guy at one time. Ya know how perlite dances around in a bag that's got a 'static' charge on it?

Is there a way to create a "perlite magnet" using a coil around a glass rod or a piece of amber or suppin' like that? Disposing of dirt is easy. Disposing of dirt with perlite...can raise eyebrows. Besides, it would be fiscally and environmentally sound to recycle the dang stuff, anyway. What do you think?

Good to chat, Hermie.

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That's something to think about.
Let's do dat.
It's very light weight.

You could make a great "static magnet" by rubbing a balloon in your hair.
I'm pretty sure it would attract dry soil particles as well.:(

You could use the wind to try to "winnow" it to a tarp.
Needs choke room though and the wind will have it's little jokes.;)

I'm geussing that the most practical would be to dissolve the dirt in an overabundance of water. Perlite will float to the top for skimming.
Could be stuffed into mesh bags for cleaning and re-use.
Not sure that re-use is a good idea but it is also compressible. So...
Could be rammed into soup cans and tossed with the garbage.

I still use some soil, well, coco, but have not required perlite so far.

Gotta run, but I'll give this some thought.

Aloha,
Wee Zard

Just learned something over at IC.
Guy was asking folks what the current use was in their knockoff UFOs.
His is drawing .25A which is about 30Watts!
I bought a UFO knockoff for $220 USD from da bay .
Just hung a meter on it.
It's drawing .65A or about 71Watts.
Hmmm. there are several layers of being ripped off.
I got lucky this time.

While I was metering I checked my new monster light.
With the reds at about 3/4 up, I draw 190W.
Flat out, it eats 250W!
And theres a lousy power factor, (V x A & Watts don't match), thanks to the fan and cheap power supply.

Off to the market. Jiggity jig.
Weezard

Hypothetically, let's say I have 12 - 15W. leds and want to run them at 10.8V. which (because they are perfectly matched, hypothetically) will make each of them pull 1.2A each.

That would be a total load of ~14.4 amps.

Will a Mastech 3010 drive a load like that?

I know it only goes up to 30V.; tried it. So, I assumed it would only "go up to" 10A. :i feel stupid: But at a lower (like 10V.) voltage will it put out up to ~30A?

I don't have a 10 to 12 V. dummy load (or do I?) that'll take 14A (and survive :D) to test this. Weezard, I noticed in one of your burn-in photos the Mastech was running at 10.6A (thought I was seeing double :stoned:). How much higher will these things safely go? Could I drive a dozen well-matched hi-power leds at <12V. with one?

Watching your progress intently, Hermie.

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

Hypothetically, let's say I have 12 - 15W. leds and want to run them at 10.8V. which (because they are perfectly matched, hypothetically) will make each of them pull 1.2A each.

That would be a total load of ~14.4 amps.

Will a Mastech 3010 drive a load like that?

I know it only goes up to 30V.; tried it. So, I assumed it would only "go up to" 10A. :i feel stupid: But at a lower (like 10V.) voltage will it put out up to ~30A?

I don't have a 10 to 12 V. dummy load (or do I?) that'll take 14A (and survive :D) to test this. Weezard, I noticed in one of your burn-in photos the Mastech was running at 10.6A (thought I was seeing double :stoned:). How much higher will these things safely go? Could I drive a dozen well-matched hi-power leds at <12V. with one?

Watching your progress intently, Hermie.

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In other words, Frayed knot.:(

10.6 A. is just about max for da Mastech 3010 at any voltage.
Put a clone in to preflower streatch and as soon as it started "reaching"
I turned the reds down from 5:1 to about 2:1 and the stretch stopped.
I would think that lower light overall would increase stretch?

So, it looks like it will be easy to control internode distance with this design by playing with the R:B ratio.
Got some more fans today and some 6" dryer hose.

Be back tomorrow.
Weeze

Bumpity bump!

Just had to pull those dimmers and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
Under the shroud that is.
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Flipped the fan over and mounted it in a reducer.
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I'll mount the dials on the shroud and calibrate them with the Lux meter.
Been running cool for an hour, outdoors with a breeze.
It's quieter now, looks better too.
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Also have a new fan for the power supply.
That pup runs hot!
Cheap is as cheap does.:(
Things get sold on E-bay for a reason,yah?:smokin:

Might replace it with a nice quiet, cool running computer supply next time I find my round tuit.

Das ist alles.
I'm pau for the day.
Don't mind workin'
But I'd much rather play.:cool::jointsmile:

Aloha, y'all

Weeze

The BubbaBlaze 2000
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A fully adjustable photosynthesis facilitation apparatus.:D

Actually, just thought I'd bump it with some led porn.;)
Can't wait for sundown.:stoned:

l8r
Weeze

Yay!
Beat the heat.
This works a treat.

Meanwhile, I was waiting for epoxy to dry, and got curious.
I opened the case on my UFO knock off.
(Oh Horrors, there goes my warrenty!)

Cheese cries!
Obviously built by chimps in a hurry.
Nothing in it, really.
One power cube for the three cheap fans.
2 sealed "black-box" kine current limiters to drive the 1Watt SMLs
At least I assume they are current pucks.

Well, ok, I fervently hope they are.
Everything is thickly smeared with silicone caulking.
Looks like it was applied by trolls, with mops.

Now I don't feel so bad about the esthetics of Frankenlicht;
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I'll attach and calibrate the dimmer knobs tomorrow.
Start turning them down and make a mark for every 10% drop in relative Lux from 1 foot.
I may not know actual ratios, but I'll at least be able to tie a number to my results.
A must-have, should I ever remember to document anything.:rastasmoke::o

Hmmm, mighty quiet up in here.

<Breeep, breep, ricket breeep>

Recon I'd better toddle off too then.

'night

W.

Hey Weezard,

I really like the variable Red:Blue ratio. It reminds me of the company in NL that uses a computer control to adjust light spectrum for specific plants.

Kinda a poor mans' version. Hey how about naming it....

I suggest "dial-a-stretch". lol

Very nice work.

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Originally Posted by oldmac

Hey Weezard,

I really like the variable Red:Blue ratio. It reminds me of the company in NL that uses a computer control to adjust light spectrum for specific plants.

Kinda a poor mans' version. Hey how about naming it....

I suggest "dial-a-stretch". lol

Very nice work.

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I like it!
Thanks, O. M.
Here's your first royalty payment. :twocents::jointsmile:
Could add labels to the dial markings as well.
From LTS (Long Tall Sally), to PWIS, (Pot what is squat).
Hmm, got me thinkin' again.
Where'd I put that labeling software...

BRB
W.

Hey Weezard!

I've been lurking this thread for some time now with interest. That's a nice setup you have been building there. As the 5watt, 15 watt, and future generations of LED packages become available more cheaply using them will make even more sense then now, but someone's got to pioneer the method, eh?

They make axial fans that are wisper quiet yet blow like a hurricane, I've replaced them in CAT scanners, but they ain't cheap.

I love the tunable colors, by the way. :)

I went to a demonstration of LED surgical lights as part of my job. These were CREE and LEDngn LEDS in large arrays. One of the companies made a controller that allowed you to control the "color temperature" of the output. There's got to be a "controller" out there to allow you to drive the LED arrays by your computer.

Anyways good work and carry on... :thumbsup:
Merry

Howzit, MP?

Thanks for the props, brah.

"They make axial fans that are wisper quiet yet blow like a hurricane, I've replaced them in CAT scanners, but they ain't cheap."

Amen to that!
I've seen prices that I wouldn't pay for a car.

I love the tunable colors, by the way. :)

Thanks, It's kinda Bass ackwards from nature's way.
There's not MORE red at the end of the day, there's actualy considerably less.
Looks red to us, 'cause the blue fades out first.
I'm hoping the girls don't notice;)

"One of the companies made a controller that allowed you to control the "color temperature" of the output. There's got to be a "controller" out there to allow you to drive the LED arrays by your computer."

There are several PIC controllers available.
Most are dedicated to mixing different shades of white.
All, are expensive and I'm kinda mono-culture oriented anyway.:jointsmile:
So, I have no need for rapid, real-time, changes.
I set a mix, write it down and watch for a week or so.
Once I know what works best for my favorite strains, I can go back to 2 kine hardwired lights for veg and bloom.
150 Watts of the red is overkill even for blooming. But I needed the headroom for testing.
Once I can outdo a 1k HPS for less than half the power cost, I'll consider this project pau.:cool:

These lights will then get hung in an auto-water leveling auto-buffering 5g. dwc bucketed tent and have a single seletor switch marked, oddly enough, Veg, and bloom.
I plan to make it "chimp simple".
Just slide it into a condo closet and plug it in.
Gonna call it Bubba's black-thumb system.:D

Not for commerce though, I'm retired.
Mostly so I won't have to stop growing if I get too senile.:smokin:

Trust me, had I found someone on the net doing this to my standards, free, or dirt cheap, my lazy ass would be floating in warm salt water 12/7.
I am one lazy lizard, brah.
Just doin' dis, 'cause, well, someone's gotta.

Show me a clutz proof, affordable, plug n play grow system, and I'll re-retire in a heartbeat.

Hana Pau!
Weezard

"These lights will then get hung in an auto-water leveling auto-buffering 5g. dwc bucketed tent and have a single seletor switch marked, oddly enough, Veg, and bloom.
I plan to make it "chimp simple".
Just slide it into a condo closet and plug it in.
Gonna call it Bubba's black-thumb system."

Mine is based on the KISS principle, too.

One room for veg, one for flowers.

Dirt.

Real simple.

The girls are blooming nicely and I will most likely post my weekly pics in my "grow log" tomorrow.

Next week will be real busy as the wife and I are off to see the Dead for two days, but the girls won't need my attention. Simple is beautiful. I'm nearly retired, just a matter of when I get fed up now. Then it's up to the mountains of North Carolina for the both of us.

Later,
MP

I have to keep saving my posts as Word documents and try to paste them in before the board freezes up on me. Been trying to at least say hello for days. WeeZard, yer move. Merry, nice setup. Crossing fingers, hitting "Submit reply."

Here's the last one that got eaten...

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Hey, Weez. Dropped in often; attempted a coupla short posts but the board ate both of 'em. No loss, jes' sayin' hey. I need to avoid that overload window of midnight-2am EST.

Thanks for the great photos. They'll clarify things for viewers, fer sure. I must say, with your reducer on the light it looks like a mini-nuclear power plant.

Going back a ways to ask:

Ever get the lenses you were waiting on?

You gonna add small heatsinks to the triacs in your dimmers? It's surprising they'll operate like that. I belive I'll glue additional sinkage to my meanwells once I get the hang of crippling my epoxy bond. Then I can bust 'em back off to reassemble the case if desired.

How about a "show us yer UFO's guts" comparison thread? Better still, with the actual power consumption included, and price paid. That's prolly the only way we'll get any "truth in advertising" out of these hucksters. I'll bet there's a dozen varieties being sold under double that many brand names.

Looks like you tacked down your leds with an extra spot of glue close to the solder pads. Probably really helps keep the bastids from squirming around as you try to work with them. My question: is that thermal epoxy, or the "other" stuff you're using (which I assume is Devcon 5 minute epoxy or something similar) to secure your leads to the heatsink.

Another question: (sorry, been saving these up for awhile :D) Do you have a plan / technique for accessing the leds individually after you connected them in the 2 parallel strings? (Like to retest after a month of burn-in) Or are they staying permanently wired up once you connect the strings? I ran a "+ and -" lead to each led and tacked it down in one place with epoxy. I ran each pair of wires around to the fin / topside of the light and connected them there so I could group them according to Vf. With more than 6+2 wire pairs this may get a little sloppy looking (especially with the free-air-architecture wiring technique).


Okay, not gonna press my luck. Hitting "submit." No dare preview, pls fergive typos.

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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie

Here's the last one that got eaten...

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"Going back a ways to ask:

Ever get the lenses you were waiting on?

Yes,
and no.
Got the lenses, but they were not what I wanted.:(

Boneheads set them in a black plastic collar that gets very hot very fast.
(This bonehead, read all about that and ordered them anyway)
I'm looking for those little parabolic reflectors that are used in mini-mag flashlights. They can be shimmed for different spread angles and run much cooler than refractive lenses, when clean.

You gonna add small heatsinks to the triacs in your dimmers?

Um, I mis-spoke when I called 'em triacs.
(I'm used to dimming AC)
This being DC, they are prolly SCRs or SCSs
Full-on the voltage drop across them is about .7 V.
At 6 Amps that's only 4.2 Watts.
Now that they are in the airstream, they run quite cool without any added 'sinks..


It's surprising they'll operate like that.

Not too. They are, after all, "little Off n onnies"
Very low Vf when on, and 0.0 current when off


I belive I'll glue additional sinkage to my meanwells once I get the hang of crippling my epoxy bond. Then I can bust 'em back off to reassemble the case if desired.

How about a "show us yer UFO's guts" comparison thread? Better still, with the actual power consumption included, and price paid. That's prolly the only way we'll get any "truth in advertising" out of these hucksters. I'll bet there's a dozen varieties being sold under double that many brand names.

That's a very good idea!

Looks like you tacked down your leds with an extra spot of glue close to the solder pads. Probably really helps keep the bastids from squirming around as you try to work with them. My question: is that thermal epoxy, or the "other" stuff you're using (which I assume is Devcon 5 minute epoxy or something similar) to secure your leads to the heatsink.

That's just plain old, cut it off with a razor, stickum

Another question: (sorry, been saving these up for awhile :D) Do you have a plan / technique for accessing the leds individually after you connected them in the 2 parallel strings? (Like to retest after a month of burn-in) Or are they staying permanently wired up once you connect the strings?

Yes, the wiring is semi-permanent as it stands.:rastasmoke:
I used removable stickum just in case my "even-ing" scheme was a wild pipe dream.

The scheme;
I tested and labeled each emitter then arranged them with the "Hottest" ones, (those with the lowest Vf. at 1.25A), at the end of the buss. Then fed them only from the cool end.
Each emitter added it's current load which increased the voltage drop in the supply wire. Putting the "hotter" ones at the end allows me to keep a good match in output of the emitters that _should_ hold as the unit ages
Had all the emitters matched, I'd have tied both ends of the + and - bus to the power supply and used heavier gauge buss wires.

I ran a "+ and -" lead to each led and tacked it down in one place with epoxy. I ran each pair of wires around to the fin / topside of the light and connected them there so I could group them according to Vf. With more than 6+2 wire pairs this may get a little sloppy looking (especially with the free-air-architecture wiring technique). "

Yep, using the wire resistance to "even out the bumps" allowed the shroud some free air flow.
And that solved my heat problem.
Kinda.
2 days of cookin' with the bloomery sealed and temps stayin' around 80 had me happy.
Then I looked in around noon and the room was 94 F. and the color was wrong!
Only the 2 blues were lit.

Unlikely that both dimmers would fail and the blues have their own power module.
So, gotta be the 12V. 21 Amp supply. 'cause the fan was down too.
Though I had placed the supply right under a ceiling vent,
It still got hot enough at 14 Amps draw, to trigger a thermal shutdown! Dang!
That supply now has it's own 120 mm. muffin fan and runs cool to the touch.

This will free up one of my earlier arrays for use in a clonery

Just lit this message up and hit control-C for luck.
Weeze takes a deep breath and...
Yay! The preview worked.
l8r
Weezard

How come you never started an album here? (in your profile)...your other one rocks...:thumbsup:

we totally need a DIY section (especially for LEDs)! something that can be a little more "clean" and flow better than a monster like this! what do you guys and gals think?

and keep up the good work guys, inspiring stuff!


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How come you never started an album here? (in your profile)...your other one rocks...:thumbsup:

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Well, thanks for the compliment, D.P.

I hesitate, with cause.
Simply said, I don't trust this board.

"Server is too busy at the moment" so bugger off for a while.:wtf:

It takes time and effort to create a decent album.

I put a lot of time and effort into " The perfect led light" thread here.
Best thread ever!:thumbsup:
Then, one day poof! Gone!:(
No explanation just gone.:mad:

A short while later the whole board goes tits-up and I'm looking at a "go play our crappy games screen" for weeks.
Again, no explanation, no ETA, no regrets:wtf:

I realize it's free, and I appreciate that, but so are the well run reliable boards that treat their contributors with some regard.
I'd rather pay a fee than get disrespected.

I'm not a patient person, can ya tell?
The only reason I still post here is because Crunchypants asked me to help him build a light.
He's sharp and entertaining.
It has been fun and rewarding for both of us but I think we're both fed-up with typing long posts that won't post!

Can open, worms all ovah da place!
Catch ya later, I must now go and be anointed to prepare for my banning;)

Aloha,
Weezard

well i don't want to loose all of you guys and your valuble information! something must be done. if the owner of the boards doesn't want to do anything, then perhaps something else should happen?


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Originally Posted by headshake

well i don't want to lose all of you guys and your valuble information! something must be done. if the owner of the boards doesn't want to do anything, then perhaps something else should happen?


-shake

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What do you suggest, Shake?
If I knew how to fix this board, there'd be less whining and more fixin'.:jointsmile:

I'm all ears.
Weeze

well the only thing i can think of is finding a new home. it's obvious the owner of the board doesn't care.

i know this might not be the most logical, or easy solution but it's a starting point. i've come to enjoy what we have here and would like it to continue. it's already bad enough after the "big outage of '09"!

i'm also open to suggestions and ideas. i'm by no means the ring leader here!


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Originally Posted by headshake

well the only thing i can think of is finding a new home. it's obvious the owner of the board doesn't care.

i know this might not be the most logical, or easy solution but it's a starting point. i've come to enjoy what we have here and would like it to continue. it's already bad enough after the "big outage of '09"!

i'm also open to suggestions and ideas. i'm by no means the ring leader here!


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She went down, with all hands in ought 9.

Most of us washed a-shore at icmag.
Stinky attic showed up then dissapeared again.:(
They have a thread called led lab 2009 that is getting interesting.
Though I must say cdot has better archives and stickys.
I keep my photo albums there 'cause, so far, their server is rock solid 24/7.
No tacky ads of half naked girls bathing in phony buds either.:D
No reason to keep all your eggs in one forum.

Woops, drifted way off-topic in DH's thread.
Sorry 'bout that, DH.

Been sending folks here when they ask about DIY.
If I get enough requests I'll re-start the DIY part over there and use the photo album as the "sing along".

Aloha
Weezard

i don't know much about icmag. i was thinking of getting some boards going. but that is just a thought. perhaps a site, with a nice DIY repository, including LED light arrays, etc. of course the weeze, dreaded and the like would be welcome and wanted!

sorry to ruin your thread dreaded! it's just that we have lost enough memebers and i just think why wash into the masses some where else. again, that's just me.

i just put it in here so i didn't start a new thread called "hey, i'm starting my own boards!"

it would be a collective and by no means a dictatorship!

sorry again!


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This thread has written a suicide note!

And Weezard!

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half naked girls bathing in phony buds

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Dat girl bathed in buds ain't half naked. I b'lieve she all nekkid under dem buds. :thumbsup: (Not that I ever looked really close, kef, kef...) To think, I have you check my math! :D

Found the led lab 2009 thread, probably check in over there once the skirmishes settle down. :cool:

Shake, we can always be cyber-buddies. We can chat anywhere. Extracting somewhat technical stuff and writing it so people can understand it is mentally tasking, though. When the board crashes I lose flow of my thoughts, and often my typing is lost. I hate typing. Doing it twice is annoying. Weeze seems to feel the same. He has a more serious translation problem though, because he's got enough info to really make yer head spin if he spills too much at once. He's breaking the details into manageable chunks for those of us trying to come up to speed. Gotta go, :stoned: Later on, Hermie

UH OH, the LEDers are not happy. Sure sign of change in the wind.

Hey DreadedHermie, Weezard, Headshake,

Please let me know what you decide to do or go. I just realized the other night that I'm not going to be here much longer. Things seem to have change around here, and not for the better. In looking around I saw Kanna was at IC and In my opinon he has alot of knowledge in the lighting and LED field. I know he rubbed some the wrong way but I found him to be extremely helpful.

I know I'm going to need more help when I build my next LED/hybred light.

The very reason I came here last year, was that the LED DIY threads where here. The thread started by Physicsnole has more info and idea exchanges then any I've ever seen. Unfortunately impossible to wade thru and find anything there anymore. or well.

What would Willie do?

No reason to jump ship. Two sites are better than one. Just spread out.

(I like to think of it, like dating two women at same time...:rolleyes:...)

i hear all you guys, i don't want to abondon ship either. but this place is just getting out of control. with the lost post that you guys mention. stuff like that. i think it could be completely more organized. tons of stuff. sorry, i'm not in a very eloquent mood right now.

i started some boards (free at the moment) if anyone is interested. it is minimal, but it's up to everyone what sections we need, etc. it should be a community effort. need mods and the like.


-shake

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No reason to jump ship. Two sites are better than one. Just spread out.

(I like to think of it, like dating two women at same time...:rolleyes:...)

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That's what many of us have been doing.
I was not planning to "jump ship".
Not until it sinks again anyway.;)
I was just 'splainin' why I don't keep an album here.
I actually like cdot better than IC, just can't trust it.

One foot inna lifeboat.
Weeze

Thanks for the tip on the Bionic cam / eyeclops thing. You were another one of the folks I was afraid I'd never "see" again when Cdot was down for so long.

Right before the crash, you posted about these things (thread prolly poofed away) and I found one for like $25 shipped. Never got a chance to thank you. :hippy:

All I have is crappy bagseed, but looky:
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Takes a few tries to get a clear shot, but for 25 bux, fun toy! :thumbsup:

i meant that i started looking. lol. caught it too late to edit. my bad.


-shake

Good to see you, too, oldmac. I remember before the crash you were trying to explain how you'd overdriven some fluoro tubes (T5HO's, I think) but people kept interrupting you to tell you it wouldn't work (despite the fact that it seemed to have worked well for you already....). :wtf:

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Yeah Dutch Pimp,

That's what I like about you young guys, always thinking big.
Unfortunately for some old guys like me, an analogy like that is just a distant memory. I seem to fit more what Willie Nelson said on his 75 birthday (a year or two ago)...."it's official, I've outlived my dick".

But a fine idea, none the less.

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Good to see you, too, oldmac. I remember before the crash you were trying to explain how you'd overdriven some fluoro tubes (T5HO's, I think) but people kept interrupting you to tell you it wouldn't work (despite the fact that it seemed to have worked well for you already....). :wtf:

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Hello DreadedHermie,

Yup, overdriven T5's don't work I've been told. Led's don't work I've been told. Growing small plants don't work. Oh yeah, UVB don't work. That's what I like about these boards, there's always someone who knows it all, hehe.

C.dot has been a great source of LED info and DIY people. It is probably my first interest, second is aero/fog- ponics and there is not enough of that here.

Plus apparently my grow style; growing using lots of little plants vs. growing a few large shrubs, rub people the wrong way. Seems many here want to impose the US Federal gov't guide line of 100+ "plants" equals a "federal crime"....rather then fight the draconian laws. I guess they be happy with the "Cali" model of "compassionate" care, (good grief).

Oh well, on more pleasant things, I really love those bud close up pictures!
Trichomes-R-us. Nice stuff.

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As I've aged I've gotten stronger! :thumbsup:

When I was a young man, when I got an erection, I couldn't bend it.

Now I can! :wtf:

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As I've aged I've gotten stronger! :thumbsup:

When I was a young man, when I got an erection, I couldn't bend it.

Now I can! :wtf:

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Chin up?!

I'm guessing, if it holds his chin up, he can't complain.

Weeze